Scary weird encounter

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Brutal beating death of tourist in New Orleans hotel room sends chills through violence-weary city

An intruder, Martin Hurtado, 29, gained access to the Avenue Plaza hotel room after pulling the fire alarm, police said.

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[davidvel]

I didn't say anything "sexist." That's ludicrous. Men and women are different.

And yet you prove the point by doubling down.

Yes, I agree with this.

I don't want you feeling unwelcome because of some comments, @Pennytx

There are many different opinions here on TUG and I am also a person who has been offended by various people, a few who have commented on this thread, as though these men have any idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man.

You claimed that men commenting do not have any idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a male stranger at midnight (which no one actually said), merely because they are men. As if a man or other gender identity cannot understand how a woman could feel in this situation. That is blatantly sexist, especially when no one actually said that at all, but the opposite.

You made up these supposed comments just so you could espouse your sexist views of what men could/could not understand or feel.

 

[rickandcindy23]

She felt intimidated. That's the point. That's scary.

 

[Big Matt]

On a lighter note.......Patriots place absolutely has paper thin walls and you can hear everything going on in the unit(s) next to you. I stayed there once a long time ago and wrote it off the list.

Secondly, I'll add a quick story. I was staying in Manor Club Sequel in the 1BR side of a lock off and needed to check out early in the morning (around 7). When I moved my luggage cart out into the hallway the door slammed shut. A woman from the next unit came out in her nightgown and started screaming at me because I woke her up. I told her that I was sorry and that she should go back to bed since we were leaving and that we weren't going to make any noise. I wasn't about to get into an argument with her. I never would have thought that something like that would have made someone that angry, but it obviously did. Some things that seem like nothing to you may be a big deal to someone else. Lesson learned.

 

[davidvel]

She felt intimidated. That's the point. That's scary.

Right. Something that multiple (presumably) males acknowledged, despite you claiming they were incapable of doing, because they were (presumably) male:

"I could see why in such a situation, late at night, it could seem intimidating."

"I am certain if any of my family members felt uncomfortable or intimidated at midnight with someone knocking on the door, that they would not answer it."

 

[rapmarks]

Several years ago we checked into an exchange, the worst one bedroom ever. Not only did they hand out a warning flyer but they had one taped on our door. Police were looking for someone and he had been seen lurking at this timeshare which was a conversion from a hotel. You know how police stories on tv find a body in a fourth rate hotel, This placed looked worse and they had a prowler to top it off and no one on duty

 

[Superchief]

It was midnight and someone was knocking at the door. This is not only unsafe for the person in the room to answer but also could be unsafe for the person knocking. Who knows what type of person is inside the room and whether they pack for self-defense?

I am not accusing the OP of this because she sounds rational but this is also why it is better to let security handle such situations on both sides of the complaint.

This situation reinforces the need to be able to contact someone at the resort even when front desk isn't staffed. It is possible that both parties tried to contact the front desk about the issue. Since nobody was there to take their calls, the guests had to take matters in their own hands. This is unacceptable. Do the MVC resorts list a number for security anywhere?

 

[davidvel]

This situation reinforces the need to be able to contact someone at the resort even when front desk isn't staffed. It is possible that both parties tried to contact the front desk about the issue. Since nobody was there to take their calls, the guests had to take matters in their own hands. This is unacceptable. Do the MVC resorts list a number for security anywhere?

I am not aware of any MVC resort that does not have someone to answer the front desk 24/7, but there may be one. If anyone truly feels threatened 911 would be best course of action via house/room phone. At MVC resorts I have stayed at front desk/security is notified when any house/room phone calls 911.

 

[easyrider]

And yet you prove the point by doubling down.

You claimed that men commenting do not have any idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a male stranger at midnight (which no one actually said), merely because they are men. As if a man or other gender identity cannot understand how a woman could feel in this situation. That is blatantly sexist, especially when no one actually said that at all, but the opposite.

You made up these supposed comments just so you could espouse your sexist views of what men could/could not understand or feel.

There is nothing sexist about it Dave. Men are more intimidating than women especially when knocking on a door late at night. I doubt that anyone fully understands what another goes through or thinks before or during a possible confrontation, especially late at night.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

There is nothing sexist about it Dave. Men are more intimidating than women especially when knocking on a door late at night. I doubt that anyone fully understands what another goes through or thinks before or during a possible confrontation, especially late at night.

Bill

I know plenty of women that I would be scared of much more than you. But that really has nothing to do with what she said. She was focused on the "men" here claiming they couldn't understand something because they were men. Carry on counselor.

 

[Patri]

I know plenty of women that I would be scared of much more than you. But that really has nothing to do with what she said. She was focused on the "men" here claiming they couldn't understand something because they were men. Carry on counselor.

Much ado about nothing. Are you so sensitive for a reason?

 

[Vacay0606]

Westgate has paper thin walls and you can hear your neighbors activities. I heard a basketball bouncing on the floor very late at night and it was driving me nuts. I knocked on the adjoining wall and it stopped. I think we are more seasoned travelers and try to be the good neighbor. Others are there a short time and need to pack as much shenanigans they can into 1 week in a property that they don't care if they destroy it. Another pet peeve of mine is people on their balconies all night long talking loudly. They don't realize how sound travels and people are trying to sleep and even I use ear plugs.

 

[davidvel]

Much ado about nothing. Are you so sensitive for a reason?

If being "so sensitive" means not standing by while people make sexist judgmental comments, then yes. The reason is I was brought up to treat people equally, and not pre-judge or make blanket statements or presumptions about people based on their gender or identity.

It appears that it maybe that some of the olders here were brought up differently and think such prejudicial comments are normal and acceptable.

 

[Rolltydr]

If being "so sensitive" means not standing by while people make sexist judgmental comments, then yes. The reason is I was brought up to treat people equally, and not pre-judge or make blanket statements or presumptions about people based on their gender or identity.

It appears that it maybe that some of the olders here were brought up differently and think such prejudicial comments are normal and acceptable.

Or, perhaps, their comments are based on facts, while yours are based on ideology. I will try very, very hard to keep this general in nature. In most, if not all, cases involving laws, policies, opportunities, etc., I’d be all in with your argument. But, that isn’t what is being discussed here. This discussion, imo, regards simply if we (men & women, but especially women) should feel more afraid of opening the door to a strange man or woman. What one feels is based on a multitude of different factors. One of those factors is FACTS. The following is fact from the FBI:

“In the U.S., males account for a significantly larger proportion of violent crime arrests compared to females. FBI data indicates that approximately 79% of arrests for violent crimes involve males, while females account for the remaining 21%, according to ConsumerShield. This disparity is consistent across various violent crime categories, with males also making up the majority of arrests for murder, robbery, and aggravated assault.”

So, I’m 5 times more likely to be criminally harmed by a male than a female. I’m a 6’2” 220lb male and I fully support everyone’s human rights regardless of gender. But I also believe in facts and those facts tell me I should be much more wary of males than females! It isn’t sexist, it’s common sense.

 

[easyrider]

Another pet peeve of mine is people on their balconies all night long talking loudly. They don't realize how sound travels and people are trying to sleep and even I use ear plugs.

Mine too. I think the most obnoxious noise is a woman in high heels clomping down a tile hallway behind our bedroom at 6 am.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

Or, perhaps, their comments are based on facts, while yours are based on ideology. I will try very, very hard to keep this general in nature. In most, if not all, cases involving laws, policies, opportunities, etc., I’d be all in with your argument. But, that isn’t what is being discussed here. This discussion, imo, regards simply if we (men & women, but especially women) should feel more afraid of opening the door to a strange man or woman. What one feels is based on a multitude of different factors. One of those factors is FACTS. The following is fact from the FBI:

“In the U.S., males account for a significantly larger proportion of violent crime arrests compared to females. FBI data indicates that approximately 79% of arrests for violent crimes involve males, while females account for the remaining 21%, according to ConsumerShield. This disparity is consistent across various violent crime categories, with males also making up the majority of arrests for murder, robbery, and aggravated assault.”

So, I’m 5 times more likely to be criminally harmed by a male than a female. I’m a 6’2” 220lb male and I fully support everyone’s human rights regardless of gender. But I also believe in facts and those facts tell me I should be much more wary of males than females! It isn’t sexist, it’s common sense.

Ironically you proved my point (I am assuming.) My issue was not about whether someone should be scared (in this case a woman) showing up to their room at midnight. My comments wasn't about gender or ideology.

My point was about what rickandcindy23 said. Rickandcindy23 said that there were males on here commenting* that were incapable of understanding exactly what you just explained (that a woman could be scared or intimdated), solely because they were males. So according to rickandcindy23 you must not be a male, as only a male could understand and explain what you said, and no male could have understood it.

* No one, male or female to my knowledge, actually made the alleged comments.

 

[Rolltydr]

Ironically you proved my point (I am assuming.) My issue was not about whether someone should be scared (in this case a woman) showing up to their room at midnight. My comments wasn't about gender or ideology.

My point was about what rickandcindy23 said. Rickandcindy23 said that there were males on here commenting* that were incapable of understanding exactly what you just explained (that a woman could be scared or intimdated), solely because they were males. So according to rickandcindy23 you must not be a male, as only a male could understand and explain what you said, and no male could have understood it.

* No one, male or female to my knowledge, actually made the alleged comments.

Ironically, the facts get in your way, again.

Sexual violence in the U.S.
- One in five women and one in 71 men will be raped at some point in their lives.
- Nearly one in 10 women has been raped by an intimate partner in her lifetime, including completed. forced penetration, attempted forced penetration or alcohol/drug-facilitated completed penetration.
- Approximately one in 45 men has been made to penetrate an intimate partner during his lifetime.
- 91% of the victims of rape and sexual assault are female, and 9% are male
- 81% of women and 35% of men report significant short-term or long-term impacts such as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder

These facts make it pretty clear that we males are not likely to be the victim of a sexual assault. That makes it unlikely that we can feel or experience the fear a female would have when a strange man knocks on their door at midnight, or almost any other time. Your comments have proven @RickandCindy ‘s point. Knowing that a female may have a particular response to a situation and “feeling” that response, are two completely different things. Females know, and experience, that feeling. The vast majority of males do not.

 

[davidvel]

Ironically, the facts get in your way, again.

Sexual violence in the U.S.
- One in five women and one in 71 men will be raped at some point in their lives.
- Nearly one in 10 women has been raped by an intimate partner in her lifetime, including completed. forced penetration, attempted forced penetration or alcohol/drug-facilitated completed penetration.
- Approximately one in 45 men has been made to penetrate an intimate partner during his lifetime.
- 91% of the victims of rape and sexual assault are female, and 9% are male
- 81% of women and 35% of men report significant short-term or long-term impacts such as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder

These facts make it pretty clear that we males are not likely to be the victim of a sexual assault. That makes it unlikely that we can feel or experience the fear a female would have when a strange man knocks on their door at midnight, or almost any other time. Your comments have proven @RickandCindy ‘s point. Knowing that a female may have a particular response to a situation and “feeling” that response, are two completely different things. Females know, and experience, that feeling. The vast majority of males do not.

Again, reading would help. It is not about whether a man has experienced exactly what a woman experienced. They said "There are many different opinions here on TUG and I am also a person who has been offended by various people, a few who have commented on this thread, as though these men have any idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man."

You don't need to experience the situation to "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man." You don't need to be a woman to "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man."

In fact, in your 2 comments you have expressed that you, a man, "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man." You have cited statistics. I have been told this by women (and men). I am a male and "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man." Many men have also experienced how frightening it is to be confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man. Likewise, not all woman have experienced how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man."

The ideas espoused by rickandcindy23, claiming that men in this thread could not "have any idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man," were sexist and bigoted. She just felt that men should have no say in this discussion, because they are men. Equally absurd is the idea that women should not be able to comment on a subject that only men can experience.

 

[Rolltydr]

Again, reading would help. It is not about whether a man has experienced exactly what a woman experienced. They said "There are many different opinions here on TUG and I am also a person who has been offended by various people, a few who have commented on this thread, as though these men have any idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man."

You don't need to experience the situation to "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man." You don't need to be a woman to "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man."

In fact, in your 2 comments you have expressed that you, a man, "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man." You have cited statistics. I have been told this by women (and men). I am a male and "have an[] idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man." Many men have also experienced how frightening it is to be confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man. Likewise, not all woman have experienced how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man."

The ideas espoused by rickandcindy23, claiming that men in this thread could not "have any idea how frightening it is to be a woman being confronted by a stranger who happens to be a man," were sexist and bigoted. She just felt that men should have no say in this discussion, because they are men. Equally absurd is the idea that women should not be able to comment on a subject that only men can experience.

Once again, Knowing that a female may have a particular response to a situation and “feeling” that response, are two completely different things. Females know, and experience, that feeling. The vast majority of males do not.