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Restaurant 3% surcharges for inflation, and health care, is a BIG Pet Peeve for Me

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I think every town has a few of these owners. They are trying to make some kind of "grand statement" that they aren't to blame for raising prices, it's all someone else's fault.

In the end, these tactics just anger customers, which ends up hurting a business.

The other day I went to Chipotle and noticed they had raised its prices. The line was still long and the place was still packed. There were no extra charges for "labor" or "health care" on the bill.

Those things are just part of the cost of doing business and the price you pay for a burrito should reflect that.
 

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Sure everyone can provide examples at high end places but at the 1000s of chain restaurants? There will always be outliers.
Maybe you should have been more specific instead of making such a broad statement.
 

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Maybe you should have been more specific instead of making such a broad statement.
I said is should not be a career. You replied that some have made it a career and they are happy. Both statements can be true. My guess is anyone who can make it a career is really great at their job, really like it or cannot find anything better for whatever reason.

Where I live everyone has to be 18 or over to work at a business not own my parents/family etc. Think mcdonalds, department stores etc. They mostly want full time as well which would exclude high school kids but that excludes a lot of full time university students. I think it is a bad thing as money in the hands of young people is good when it is their earned money as well as it gives an idea of what jobs are available if one does not study.
 

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Sure everyone can provide examples at high end places but at the 1000s of chain restaurants? There will always be outliers.
Or they’ll all jump on the extra fee bandwagon, leaving customers with little other choice.

We were in Breckenridge a couple of weeks ago and will be in Vail reasonably soon. While I didn’t notice any surcharges on our bills, for the first time in approx 10 years, we started preparing meals at the timeshare. When it begins to cost $50 for breakfast, including tip. iIt’s beginning to cost too much. Dinner out was typically $70 for just burgers and fries. For $60 I can cook a couple of filets with a baked potato, including all the spices and extras needed to prepare the meal. Shopping at the grocery store in Breck is also a little cost prohibitive. Fortunately I can pack a cooler and bring my own. Next year that’s what we’ll do. The cost of bottled water was 100% higher in Breck than at home. Sure it costs more to supply the grocery store in Breck, but 100% more? Not to mention gasoline was 33% higher than back home. I told my wife Breck is becoming more and more like Aspen where only the wealthy, pretty people can play.

Sure we’ll still eat out, but I think I’ll start preparing breakfast at home and if we want burgers and fries, I’ll grill the burgers myself or make a couple of steaks.

It’s u fortunate that inflation is crowding us out of the market but, when income increases lag far behind inflation, that’s what happens.
 

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They should just increase prices by 3%. It is ridiculous to show a 3% surcharge and explain it that way. The increase is not temporary so why not just raise the price?
 

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I think every town has a few of these owners. They are trying to make some kind of "grand statement" that they aren't to blame for raising prices, it's all someone else's fault.
To be honest, in many cases the costs of doing business aren't the fault of the business and in some or many cases they are because of mandated regulation from one or more levels of government. A 3% fee for inflation however seems to be a little odd. It is like they are trying to purposely keep inflation down by not raising the price of the product but there is inflation on the goods that go in to making the product they are selling. I think transparency in the price we pay is a good thing. If some new regulation is the cause of a price increase in a product I want to buy, I would like to know about it. If there are real cost burdens being placed on businesses by government, that should be something we know about.
 

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Or they’ll all jump on the extra fee bandwagon, leaving customers with little other choice.
Maybe as change has to start somewhere. But there will be suffering by those who change first and when all are changed no one will remember the first ones that took a stand.
 

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In the end, this will hurt the servers/ waitstaff because the 3% might end up being part of their tip, especially given the lousy explanation. If you usually tip 20% and then tip 17%, the server will lose in the end, so it's in the best interest of the server for the owner of the establishment to raise prices to cover the rising costs of doing business and giving benefits.

A recent law in CO allows businesses to charge for the use of credit cards. You would be surprised how many people will pay cash or write a check, but taking checks has risk. Our son's fireplace store just south of Denver does take credit cards and does charge a fee, but at least 75% write checks rather than to pay 3%.

We will soon have people here on TUG saying the 3% is okay to charge and to just pay it. We will see.
I've never run a business, but given how much the larger chains and other places are moving to card only, I have to imagine there's hidden costs in taking cash or especially checks that a lot of these "charge a fee for credit card use" aren't capturing.

First guess is the labor cost taking cash. You basically need either way more complicated machines with way more places to go wrong, or you need more employees manning a cash register. You might be more attractive to stupid robbers (grabbing a large cash haul is probably easier than ... doing something with a probably empty electronic card reader). You're putting off people who don't carry cash (this is a lot of people, I used to be one), and recently it's not just do you have a $20 for emergencies, it's did you carry $200 or more if we're talking about a day out (which is also a risk for tourists getting mugged etc). I.e. you're losing potential customers. You're also putting off people who might just see if they can get X online cheaper, *and* get their CC benefits there.

I agree, I pretty much see these things at the smaller businesses, and I bet these are the same people complaining when tourists go to the chain places that have a standard experience and tend not to have hidden fees.

My biggest complaint however - echoed by others here, is the rising tip percentage expectations... Percentages go up inflation of base costs FFS. We were fine at 10% when I was a kid, now they're pushing 25%. I'm more and more tempted to just not put in tips at all, or go back to 10% because it's scaled anyway. And these are places I don't go back to, I'm in town once...

Though these fees are probably my second complaint, getting ready to top tips... Tell me how much it costs, don't lure me in with fake prices. I want to pay what's in the ad! I as a customer shouldn't really care *why* your price is what it is, I should care if it works for me. And if I'm sitting there thinking I ordered $50 worth of lunch, and now you want to add 25% tip, 3% credit card fee, 8% I need money fee etc... this is darn near false advertising IMHO. Heck, I wish we had the laws like in Europe where the *sales tax* is included in the on the shelf price. It really doesn't matter to me if you find the tax makes you uncompetitive - everyone else on the block is paying the same tax. You're just trying to blame someone else for your inability to make the experience or whatever at a value to the customer they are willing to pay so you're trying to trick them with falsely cheap prices and then after the fact pressure them into paying more - potentially A LOT more if we start accepting "inflation fees" etc.
 

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Wednesday we went to a restaurant in Stowe Vermont.

A couple two tables away were complaining about their bill.
We soon found out why. There was a 10% tax for alcohol.
A $8.50 beer was now $9.35.

I now wonder if the sales tax was also on the beer and alcohol tax.

Two days prior we had a better beer at Village Tavern in Jeffersonville for $6.25.
Sounds like they need to offer Corkage for Beer!

Sometimes restaurants have a great selection at reasonable markup.

As a former homebrewer, I could make great beers for under $1.00 per 22oz. It was closer to $.50 but who knows prices these days. It not uncommon to see higher end beers at $10, but I'm guessing you're talking about a standard $1-$2/bottle beer. If they can't make profit at 500% markups, I have an idea of how they are RUINING (not running) the place.

Have you looked at the prices of a loaf of bread? I'm being forced to dust off the Covid Era Bread Machine, maybe I'll need to brew too!

Some state like AZ have like $2/hr wages and the staff lives and dies off tips.

My other frustration is seeing the receipt and suggesting 20%, 25% and 30% tips.
 

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The latest in all of this where I live (San Francisco) is a tip line on the receipt for just about any service involving anything. The person who puts a scone in a bag at my bakery. Or my fish in a bag at the fish market. Etc. Yesterday I picked up some knives I had dropped off for sharpening, and the clerk handed me the bagged up sharpened knives. There was a tip line on the credit card receipt for that.

The last restaurant meal I had included a 7% "healthy SF" charge for various employee mandates like health insurance and a 1% charge for something I have never heard of and was not explained. And our tip amounts are also in the 20%, 25%, 30% range as well.
 

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I've also noticed higher than menu prices for online ordering. Some restaurants use third party websites for ordering and charge either higher prices or an 'order' fee. Unless I'm sure the restaurant has their own order site, I now usually call the restaurant directly to place our orders, This also helps when we have special requests or questions about specials.
 

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Good thing you didn't buy a ski lift ticket there because heard they are now $260/day

Or they’ll all jump on the extra fee bandwagon, leaving customers with little other choice.

We were in Breckenridge a couple of weeks ago and will be in Vail reasonably soon. While I didn’t notice any surcharges on our bills, for the first time in approx 10 years, we started preparing meals at the timeshare. When it begins to cost $50 for breakfast, including tip. iIt’s beginning to cost too much. Dinner out was typically $70 for just burgers and fries. For $60 I can cook a couple of filets with a baked potato, including all the spices and extras needed to prepare the meal. Shopping at the grocery store in Breck is also a little cost prohibitive. Fortunately I can pack a cooler and bring my own. Next year that’s what we’ll do. The cost of bottled water was 100% higher in Breck than at home. Sure it costs more to supply the grocery store in Breck, but 100% more? Not to mention gasoline was 33% higher than back home. I told my wife Breck is becoming more and more like Aspen where only the wealthy, pretty people can play.

Sure we’ll still eat out, but I think I’ll start preparing breakfast at home and if we want burgers and fries, I’ll grill the burgers myself or make a couple of steaks.

It’s u fortunate that inflation is crowding us out of the market but, when income increases lag far behind inflation, that’s what happens.
 

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Sounds like they need to offer Corkage for Beer!

Sometimes restaurants have a great selection at reasonable markup.

As a former homebrewer, I could make great beers for under $1.00 per 22oz. It was closer to $.50 but who knows prices these days. It not uncommon to see higher end beers at $10, but I'm guessing you're talking about a standard $1-$2/bottle beer. If they can't make profit at 500% markups, I have an idea of how they are RUINING (not running) the place.

Have you looked at the prices of a loaf of bread? I'm being forced to dust off the Covid Era Bread Machine, maybe I'll need to brew too!
Let me be clear, I wasn't complaining about the price of the beer, only the 10% alcohol tax that wasn't disclosed prior to ordering. Usually alcohol tax is included in the product price.

Another thing that wasn't disclosed was the glass size. All of the beer selections on tap were $8.50 each. I had a double IPA 8% which was served in a 12 oz glass and my wife had Hell's Brook 4.8% that came in a 16 oz glass. Nowhere was the different glass sizes mentioned. I thought it unusual that the double IPA was the same price. Fortunately for me they also served water which I should mention didn't have a surcharge.
 

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"Why don't they just raise their menu prices?"

Because every restaurant which tries this learns the hard way -- people will go to another restaurant with lower menu prices, and nickle-and-dime fees attached. Every time. No exception.

People love to complain about tips and fees. But they don't vote with their wallet when given the opportunity. So restaurateurs have learned to play the nickle-and-dime game.
 

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The "3% Extra" is becoming commonplace. This is the explanation from one restaurant in Winter Park, CO:
“DENO’S ADDS A VOLUNTARY 3% KITCHEN LIVABLE WAGE SUPPLEMENT TO ALL CHECKS. THESE FUNDS ARE DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY TO OUR KITCHEN STAFF. UNFORTUNATELY, COLORADO LABOR LAWS DO NOT REQUIRE THAT YOUR TIP BE DISTRIBUTED TO EMPLOYEES WHO DO NOT INTERACT WITH GUESTS. THIS SURCHARGE ENSURES THAT THE WAGE GAP BETWEEN THOSE WHO CREATE OUR FOOD AND TIPPED EMPLOYEES EARN A LIVABLE WAGE. THANK YOU, DENO’S EMPLOYEES”

It does say "voluntary", but how many customers will ask it be removed from the bill?

I worked for a mult-national company. Foreign visitors would comment on how the America custom of tipping was so bizarre to them. I agreed. It is so strange that tipping for good service morphed into something expected as part of a servers compensation, and it has always been unfair to all the other employees who are not servers and who do not receive tip income.

Between the outright restaurant inflated cost of my favorite bacon-wrapped beef filet w/crab-topped béarnaise, the inflated tax rates added-on for state, county, city taxes, and "tip inflation" of 20-22% (on top of the inflated meal cost) from what used to be 15% ... I vote with my feet, take the family to the City Market and buy everyone exactly what they want (just like ordering in a restaurant) and cook it for them on what used to be "dinner out" night(s). It is actally a lot of fun, plus I like to cook (and am good at it -- my béarnaise sauce is better than the restaurant's, so it works out for us. Good thing we stay in a timeshare with a well-furnished, full kitchen. (Saves more than $50 plus associated taxes and tip just on the bottle of very nice wine.)
 
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Good thing you didn't buy a ski lift ticket there because heard they are now $260/day
I stay away fro NFL stadiums and concerts for that very reason
 
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"Why don't they just raise their menu prices?"

Because every restaurant which tries this learns the hard way -- people will go to another restaurant with lower menu prices, and nickle-and-dime fees attached. Every time. No exception.

People love to complain about tips and fees. But they don't vote with their wallet when given the opportunity. So restaurateurs have learned to play the nickle-and-dime game.
Airlines with all their add on fees are a perfect example as are hotels with mandatory resort fees.
 

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Good thing you didn't buy a ski lift ticket there because heard they are now $260/day
Season ski passes at $700-1200 are a good deal. That is how I beat ski ticket inflation.

I wish my favorite restaurants offered a 4-month pass for $700-1200. I would be all over that, especially during ski season.
 

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If that wasn't written somewhere on the menu or at the entrance to the restaurant I'd leave a 1* review. That's changing the price of goods after they've been ordered.
@bizaro86, it was not written on the menu or the entrance to the restaurant, and I do plan on leaving a 1* review.

This chain of restaurants is owned by Jeff Lobdell who owns multiple restaurants in Grand Rapids, as well as Traverse City such as; Boone’s Prime Time Pub in Suttons Bay, West End Tavern, Apache Trout Grill and Flap Jack Shack in Traverse City, and two Omelette Shoppe locations in Traverse City.

I'm mad that this is a tactic that this owner is using, by not posting on his menu or to have signage in any of his restaurants and to have his staff tell you that its posted on their website is hogwash .
 

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Ask not to pay it. Tip less. Do not return. Post 1* reviews and why.

Restaurants and workers are out of control. Want minimum wage raised as well as tip % raised as well as price of food going up which already increases the total tip amount.

There is a reason why lots of restaurants close and trying to charge an extra 3% when presenting the bill is not going help.

Being a server should not be a career and should not be enough to support a family of 4. Should be students, starving artists/actors, retired etc.
@am1 , yes, I will not be returning to any of the restaurants owned by Jeff Lobdell and my husband literally deducted this 3% surcharge and tipped off the non-surcharge amount
 

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The "3% Extra" is becoming commonplace. This is the explanation from one restaurant in Winter Park, CO:


It does say "voluntary", but how many customers will ask it be removed from the bill?

I worked for a mult-national company. Foreign visitors would comment on how the America custom of tipping was so bizarre to them. I agreed. It is so strange that tipping for good service morphed into something expected as part of a servers compensation, and it has always been unfair to all the other employees who are not servers and who do not receive tip income.

Between the outright restaurant inflated cost of my favorite bacon-wrapped beef filet w/crab-topped béarnaise, the inflated tax rates added-on for state, county, city taxes, and "tip inflation" of 20-22% (on top of the inflated meal cost) from what used to be 15% ... I vote with my feet, take the family to the City Market and buy everyone exactly what they want (just like ordering in a restaurant) and cook it for them on what used to be "dinner out" night(s). It is actally a lot of fun, plus I like to cook (and am good at it -- my béarnaise sauce is better than the restaurant's, so it works out for us. Good thing we stay in a timeshare with a well-furnished, full kitchen. (Saves more than $50 plus associated taxes and tip just on the bottle of very nice wine.)
Same here.

My advice to everyone is learn to cook well so you never have to eat poorly.


Personally, I tend to just order Prime Beed and stock the freezer with Lobster Tails and Shrimp. I've tried the frozen salmon, but its just not as good as fresh. Wish I lived on the Oregon Coast. The waters off LA with the major sewage plant pumping the stuff into the Santa Monica Bay just doesn't work for me.

Some of the better restaurants are more ethnic foods that have flavor. My wife's a vegetarian, so going to a descent Steakhouse leaves her eating a crappy salad.
 

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So the restaurant is intentionally “hiding” this added fee knowing that it will piss off customers. Nice customer service

This is simply a way to raise their prices without transparency. What makes this worse is that the fee is sprung on the customer only after they have finished the meal believing that they have no choice to pay. One thing you could have done is reduced the authorized credit card total on the slip by the 3%. In the end though, a solution would have been to pay the amount, post the 1* review as others have said and never return to the restaurant.
@RX8 , yes this restaurant intentionally “hide” this added surcharge fee and they left their employees to get tipped less and deal with the outrage of the customers...
 

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Wondering if you'd still be charged the fee if you paid in cash? And if so, why not just raise their pricing by 3% and call it even? Sounds like an underhanded cash grab to me. Sort of like airlines that charge you more for the return trip on your roundtrip airfare, or "dynamic pricing" for concert tickets on Ticketmaster.

Dave
@DaveNV , my hubby actually asked the manger this question and she said even if we paid in cash the surchage would be added as its to help the owner pay for healthcare and rising wages for his employees.
 

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I would be interested to know if there was a suggested tip on the receipt that you sign and if it was calculated based on the subtotal before taxes and fees or after.
I always adjust and pay my tip excluding taxes and I would exclude this fee as well.
@mentalbreak , they had 3 suggested tip amounts starting at 18%, 20% and 25% and all of the suggested amounts had the cost of the surcharge and the cost of tax added in to get to the tip amount.
 

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Season ski passes at $700-1200 are a good deal. That is how I beat ski ticket inflation.

I wish my favorite restaurants offered a 4-month pass for $700-1200. I would be all over that, especially during ski season.
Even better if you can get special discounts. Got the Epic Pass for $159 military price, with most the benefits of the currently $949 full pass except no Buddy Passes and some partner resorts (Telluride and some international) omitted. Ikon military discount isn't quite as good - $899 for this season, but still $350 less than the currently $1259 regular price.
 
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