Released from "Covid Jail' - Our part to stimulate business

[b2bailey]

I agree with you. We aren't hearing the term "flatten the curve" too much anymore. The government and health experts have sent mixed messages and changed guidance throughout this Covid thing and I do not know what to believe.

I have been bothered about the rules/purpose changing. I feel like "I did what you asked of me starting March 15." I don't know any other situation where the rules can be changed while in play.

 

[TravelTime]

The other thing changing constantly is the rules for the small business loans. I am scared that I might need to repay the loan and not get forgiveness. It is hard to even know for sure what is expected because the rules were never clear to begin with.

PPP Changes Trip Up Small Businesses

As rules change for the Paycheck Protection Program, some small-business owners worry about keeping SBA loans granted to help them stay afloat during the pandemic.

www.wsj.com

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

I will have the antibody test when it is available. My DH may have had Covid in February. I asked my doctor about it and she said the current tests are not reliable and she will wait until a reliable test is available. She said it might be another month or so until it is available.

I had a test - reputable and reliable testing agency with a very sensitive test (University of Washington Virology Lab). I thought I might have had it in early March, but the test came back negative (and per my doc at UW Medicine) the test has a low probability of returning a false negative.

 

[MrockStar]

I had a test - reputable and reliable testing agency with a very sensitive test (University of Washington Virology Lab). I thought I might have had it in early March, but the test came back negative (and per my doc at UW Medicine) the test has a low probability of returning a false negative.

Did you loose your sense of smell? Mine was almost gone for a month or more.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Did you loose your sense of smell? Mine was almost gone for a month or more.

No, I didn't. Just cough, hoarseness, and fever. Actually very mild. Came right on the heels of a trip to Mexico, where we both picked up GI infections. But the time from I got the respiratory illness matched well with one incubation period from when we presumably pickeup up the GI bug.

 

[MrockStar]

Iam glad your doing better.

 

[am1]

Yes still 10's of thousands of cases a day and a few thousand deaths. I think more should be done to flatten the curve or avoid getting sick and spreading it.

 

[Cornell]

Yes still 10's of thousands of cases a day and a few thousand deaths. I think more should be done to flatten the curve or avoid getting sick and spreading it.

What more should be done?

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Yes still 10's of thousands of cases a day and a few thousand deaths. I think more should be done to flatten the curve or avoid getting sick and spreading it.

That might very well be true. But that's a different argument from what was presented initially. The point of flattening the curve is not to reduce the total number of people who contract the virus. That can only happen when herd immunity is attained.

Further flattening of the curve will prevent cases only to the extent that some people continue to shelter in place indefinitely. At whatever point uninfected people come out of shelter prior to herd immunity, they will get the virus. And if a large segment of the population shelters in place, that delays the development of herd immunity.

That's the problem that Hawaii faces. If they lock down effectively to prevent the virus from landing, then at whatever point they reopen the population will not have immunity.


++++++++

At the outset, a persuasive case was made that measures needed to be taken to flatten the curve to keep the health care system from collapsing. There was generally strong buy-in to that rationale and argument.

And that has been accomplished in many locales. But if agencies want to change the "specification" from preventing collapse of the health care system to stifling the system, that is a different end point, that frankly requires a new buy-in from the populace. But there is no debate going on about that change. Many agencies are simply making that change in goal because they have decided it's a necessity and they can do so by fiat, without engaging in public debate.

It's even more egregious now because in the beginning time was of the essence in trying to knock down the infection wave. So implementation of measures without taking time for debate was necessary. But that's not the case now. In my mind, there is simply no reason for governments to change the goalposts and endpoints for shut down and shelter in place without going providing for discussion and debate.

 

[DannyTS]

I plan to be in the 40% who never got Covid when herd immunity hits or we have effective treatments or vaccines. Will not shut in 100% but will take limited calculated risks and precautions to get there. Others can choose "herd mentality" to be part of the avalanche and catch Covid and that's fine. The sooner they do it the sooner we get herd immunity - and the sooner the rest of us get freedom. So go for it.

People should take the risk they feel confortable with. It is very likely we will not win the war against C19 without herd immunity, those that choose to be part of the 60% should not be laughed at and ridiculed. That would not happen in a real war I assume.

 

[am1]

Shelter in place longer. More restrictions. All public areas closed. Airports closed and much more. But if people are ok with them or others dying then not much can be done.

 

[DannyTS]

Shelter in place longer.

What happens after that and how do you define "longer"?

 

[MrockStar]

Shelter in place longer. More restrictions. All public areas closed. Airports closed and much more. But if people are ok with them or others dying then not much can be done.

If the so called experts paychecks stopped and the rule by fiat governors where recalled thereby becoming unemployed, i wonder THEN how long they would recommend we stay LOCKED DOWN 6 months a YEAR??

 

[DannyTS]

If the so called experts paychecks stopped and the rule by fiat governors where recalled thereby becoming unemployed, i wonder THEN how long they would recommend we stay LOCKED DOWN 6 months a YEAR??

5 minutes

 

[TravelTime]

Those of us in California may be in Covid jail all summer.

————

L.A. County could keep stay-at-home orders in place well into summer, depending on conditions
Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will ‘with all certainty’ be extended for the next three months, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.

L.A. County could keep stay-at-home orders in place well into summer, depending on conditions — Los Angeles Times

Los Angeles County's stay-at-home orders will 'with all certainty' be extended for the next three months, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.

apple.news

 

[Cornell]

Those of us in California may be in Covid jail all summer.

————

L.A. County could keep stay-at-home orders in place well into summer, depending on conditions
Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will ‘with all certainty’ be extended for the next three months, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.

L.A. County could keep stay-at-home orders in place well into summer, depending on conditions — Los Angeles Times

Los Angeles County's stay-at-home orders will 'with all certainty' be extended for the next three months, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.

apple.news

We can top that in IL - we will be in jail until vaccine or therapeutic treatment available. No groups of more than 50 until then.

 

[TravelTime]

We can top that in IL - we will be in jail until vaccine or therapeutic treatment available. No groups of more than 50 until then.

Did Illinois officially say you have to shelter in place until there’s a vaccine or treatment?

 

[Cornell]

Our Governor will not allow any event, activity (that includes schools) with 50+ or more people until a vax developed or a therapeutic treatment developed. On Sunday he started using the language "eradicate".

We are in phase 2 of his 5 phase plan. The earliest Chicago can move to phase 3 will be at least end of June.

 

[TravelTime]

Our Governor will not allow any event, activity (that includes schools) with 50+ or more people until a vax developed or a therapeutic treatment developed. On Sunday he started using the language "eradicate".

We are in phase 2 of his 5 phase plan. The earliest Chicago can move to phase 3 will be at least end of June.

I suspect California will outdo your governor. We have a competition for who can stay shut down the longest!

 

[Cornell]

I suspect California will outdo your governor. We have a competition for who can stay shut down the longest!

It's absolutely bizarre and maddening to me. I'm also amazed at how many people in IL are fine w/this too. Pritzker's approval rating is high right now.

 

[Cornell]

@TravelTime i just caught up on CA. No sitting on the sand !

 

[Monykalyn]

I saw a couple to of the IL guidelines for reopening. Completely unrealistic to stay shut until zero covid deaths. WE can't even achieve that WITH a good matched flu vaccine!! And really-you want to see social unrest? Tell LA they can't go to the beach or out ALL summer . Yeah that is cool.

Did you loose your sense of smell? Mine was almost gone for a month or more.

I had a nasty viral illness that caused me to lose smell/taste for most of December. I even said to my husband I don't feel like going to our usual parties because 1-I was exhausted by time I got home from work (and yes-I wore a mask for most of December when I came around residents due to my cough), 2-I couldnt taste any of the food anyway. Finally went into MD (well the NP) who got me on steroids to "calm my immune system down".

At the outset, a persuasive case was made that measures needed to be taken to flatten the curve to keep the health care system from collapsing. There was generally strong buy-in to that rationale and argument.

Right-the problem now is the healthcare system will collapse anyway if the economy crashes any harder! Which will exacerbate the problem if/when we get a 2nd wave-hospitals closed/partially shut down/workers furloughed/funds spent for (currently) unneeded surge beds and equipment. It's a very fine line to walk for sure!!

I got a survey from NIH study they are doing on random people for antibodies across the country. Just general info-will see if I get chosen for testing. The tests are finally getting validated now. Is it Roche? that has developed a good one? Problem now is seeing if it is as sensitive/specific in real clinical situations as it is in lab.