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rickandcindy23

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I have all the respect in the world for DaveM at Tug. He has worked very hard for that site for free.

However, I would never recommend Tug to anyone here at Redweek simply because of the business model the owner upholds. He USES non-paid volunteers (I know they aren't hogtied, but I still find this unethical) to run the site and he uses Tug members to post reviews while all he does in take in the money. It seems the members and volunteers do ALL the work there.

He has never posted a financial statement on Tug concerning where all the money goes and I have never seen him contribute anything to the forums concerning his knowledge of timesharing. I think his son his doing a better job, but I still can't condone Tug's business model of using non-paid volunteers. Without all those volunteers Tug wouldn't exist at all.

This attitude about TUG is enough to keep me away from Redweek. :(

This was on page 12 of "Selling My Timeshare" thread.
 
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I have all the respect in the world for DaveM at Tug. He has worked very hard for that site for free.

However, I would never recommend Tug to anyone here at Redweek simply because of the business model the owner upholds. He USES non-paid volunteers (I know they aren't hogtied, but I still find this unethical) to run the site and he uses Tug members to post reviews while all he does in take in the money. It seems the members and volunteers do ALL the work there.

He has never posted a financial statement on Tug concerning where all the money goes and I have never seen him contribute anything to the forums concerning his knowledge of timesharing. I think his son his doing a better job, but I still can't condone Tug's business model of using non-paid volunteers. Without all those volunteers Tug wouldn't exist at all.
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This attitude about TUG is enough to keep me away from Redweek. :(

This was on page 12 of "Selling My Timeshare" thread.
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That guy is truly out to lunch. There's nothing wrong with Bill's business model, he started it and made it work.
 
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I answered his comments on that forum but should not have justified his opinion with my argument, as his stand on TUG is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

If it weren't for TUG, I wouldn't have found Redweek. I cannot believe they would allow anyone to cut down another site that has many, many people who recommend Redweek to newbies. It appears that this person is speaking for Redweek. They really may have lost my business. My listings have received so many more inquiries from My Resort Network this past year.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! :shrug:
 
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Your right, Jayjay shouldn't have slandered Tug and realize how fast news spreads!

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I answered his comments on that forum but should not have justified his opinion with my argument, as his stand on TUG is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

If it weren't for TUG, I wouldn't have found Redweek. I cannot believe they would cut down another site that has many, many people who recommend Redweek to newbies. We recommend Redweek, while they do not? Ridiculous stand for them to take. They really may have lost my business. My listings have received so many more inquiries from My Resort Network this past year.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! :shrug:
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There's an old saying that I find holds a lot of truth to it. That is, you can't thow dirt without losing a little ground. Redweek has lost a little ground IMO.
 
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I have read many threads in RW's forum and IMHO jayjay is a horrible moderator. Maybe that's why I stick to tug's forum :D
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but fwiw in the interests of fairness and accuracy, I don't believe that "jayjay" is actually a Redweek moderator --- nor, to my knowledge, has s/he ever claimed to be......
 
He posts there constantly. I hope he is not a moderator, but I suspect he is. When I have had a problem with shill posters there, I have always gotten a private response/email from "Marty."

Seems that jayjay is going to get this thread closed.
 
With all the responses that jayjay posts and the nature of the Redweek propaganda that jayjay posts gives the impression that she is a moderator. The forum doesn’t identify ANYONE as being a moderator or offer any rules to follow (or I just can't find them). Any other forum I have visited identifies the moderator and rules VERY clearly. Either way I am all set with RW.

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He posts there constantly. I hope he is not a moderator, but I suspect he is. When I have had a problem with shill posters there, I have always gotten a private response/email from "Marty."

Seems that jayjay is going to get this thread closed.
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Well I guess that answers that. I didn't even know that Redweek had a forums section.....not that it interests me all that much.
 
I am the only one that sees a comparison to

GiGi?

This is just the type of slander she was banned from TUg and Ts4m's.

It would stand to reason that she would continue to bad mouth Tug any place that would allow her to post.

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Your right, Jayjay shouldn't have slandered Tug and realize how fast news spreads!
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Cindy, jumping on Redweeks for what some uneducated moron posts is a little off the mark, imho.

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Ridiculous stand for them to take. They really may have lost my business. My listings have received so many more inquiries from My Resort Network this past year.
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fwiw, Greg
 
What's with all the indignation? Admittedly, posters on this site refer plenty of business their way, but the negatives of Redweek have also been discussed here on many occasions.

I do think it's silly (childish?) for that individual to rant about TUG's business model. Whatever the business model, this site is a great source of information, and that's why I'm here. If Mr. TUG owner pockets a bit of revenue for providing me this service, it seems fair enough to me. However, if some confused soul at Redweek doesn't like this site, it doesn't affect me at all.

I can understand if the TUG administrators feel slighted, but the criticism of TUG's business model really doesn't directly impact most of us, so let's not all take it personally. There are bigger problems in life.

For what it's worth, I didn't even know Redweek had a forum. I really don't visit that site because I don't want to pay a membership fee merely to read an ad. Given that they apparently have at least one business model genius, however, they might benefit from tapping his knowledge to improve their system...

Onward and upward,

Mark
 
I'm no authority on BBS, but don't most of them use unpaid volunteers to moderate? I guess I just don't see the Redweek poster's point.

Mark
 
I actually think the business model of TUG is BRILLIANT. Moderators and posters do what they do for free because they love doing it. Their payback is the joy they get in reading the posts and interacting with other timesharers.

That it makes money is even better. They can then invest in new features and capabilities to improve the community.

I do believe that Brian is doing a good job here. TUG is definitely improving. The moderation isn't as strict as it once was. There is an expanded exchange board. And, the new non-traditional forum is a fantastic learning source.
 
Every TUG volunteer is a long time and respected TUG member...many of which were here from the very beginning...and in return are provided all of TUGs features free of charge. after being a volunteer long enough..are awarded complimentary lifetime TUG memberships.
 
You think it is GinGin?

Okay, so I have agreed with most of what jayjay has written and told "him" so many times, but now the attack on Redweek is kinda ridiculous.

Greg, I thought this person was the moderator, because they are constantly posting, so that person certainly seemed to be in charge, so I took the entire thing out of context. It seems that this is jayjay's opinion of TUG. Interesting, as this person should probably post back here, unless this person was banned from posting.

If jayjay is someone else, then I apologize for assuming him to be a moderator, but if jayjay is GinGin...........................I was offended by that person before, but a different name--something like samauri?
 
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He posts there constantly. I hope he is not a moderator, but I suspect he is. When I have had a problem with shill posters there, I have always gotten a private response/email from "Marty."

Seems that jayjay is going to get this thread closed.
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I have had my disagreements with jayjay but he states he has nothing to do with Redweek and they back it up even though he takes over almost every post. :eek:

He seems to love Redweek and nothing wrong with that! Funny part is he does give some good advice at times and as he states many times he no longer owns a timeshare but has sold his eight he use to own!

I love the fact people will jump someone that is on these forums that no longer owns and ask why they are still on timeshare forum but no one says anything to him!

There was a lady on Redweek that took my side against him on a post and then they went rounds on other post I wasn't on! Its strange but she would tell him off and tell it like it is and Redweek would delete her post and leave his! :doh: (Think she was from NC and her husband is a police officer)

I like Tug and feel its a more friendly forum where more owners and admin talk to you and try and help!

It seems on Redweek you get jayjay and Jennie and couple others that answer most post and that is it. Only one I have ever heard him recommend other than himself is Jennie because I guess she owns and rents many units every year! She shares her point of view on renting!

I read Trip Advisor all the time and learn and this was how I was directed to Tug last year! At that point I have never heard of Redweek!:rofl:
 
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The fact is, I came here long ago with virtually no timeshare knowledge. I learned enough here (and on sites I learned about by being here) to become a timeshare junkie, with about 12 timeshares that I use, trade, rent and share with friends.

Given that history, I have had no problem volunteering so that others have an opportunity to learn and share my addiction. I don't care whether or not Bill makes money from it. The fact is, there is a lot of information available here for free, and even more valuable information available for a relatively modest membership fee.

The only reason I see for people complaining about what Bill does and does not make from here is jealousy. The question is: do you feel that the money that you pay gets you value? If so, what is the problem?

As for whether or not it is GinGin behind the carping, who cares? The fact is that it is one opinion of one individual (which was expressed repeatedly and publicly here when a certain user was part of this community), and not something that should be attributed to the entire board at Redweek.

As for Redweek, I don't pay for it. I don't see value in what I get for my money. I pay for membership here. I do see value in what I get for my money here. Does anything else really matter?
 
As a volunteer and member, the equation for me is quite simple: Do I get back more than what I give? Yes - and personal satisfaction and sense of community are part of what I get back.

As for TUG's business model - if people needed to pay to get into the Advice area and the BBS I doubt I would continue to volunteer. For me, that would remove a big chunk of the "compensation" I get from simply being part of a group providing public education. I have zero problem with making the review portions of the site pay to play and with a small charge for placing an ad.
 
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I have said this before, but I will repeat it again. I am extremely grateful for the knowledge shared here on TUG. The minimal cost is very inexpensive for both education and entertainment purposes. Thanks to all moderators and volunteers, your contributions are greatly appreciated! :clap:
 
As a relative newbie, I liket he idea of volunteers at TUG. I appreciate all the time and energy they put into it. I have learned a great deal from these giving people and I trust them more than someone being paid to give advice.
 
Does TUG make money?

If TUG makes money I am impressed.Congratulations!!!! How do you do it? How much?

I have been wondering why any one would do all this work for free but honestly I don''t think TUG could make very much on its current bussines model.

Who cares. I like TUG better than REDWEEK and my TUG adds have gotten more responses than my Redweek adds (and the TUG were free).
 
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