RE: The "Transportation Fee @ Wyndham Bonnet Creek

[BocaBum99]

What this transportation fee should tell owners is that there are limits to what the developer can do. They clearly wanted this fee to happen. But, under extreme pressure from a continuous flow of unhappy guests, they caved and eliminated the fee.

 

[ronparise]

Wow, that hopeful improvement went backwards. Did you happen to ask if BC owners were exempt from this fee and they ride free? I am the tugger who just purchased a BC resale because of the initial shuttle fee.

It wasnt my post I just copied it from the Wyndham owners forum...so no I didnt ask

 

[massvacationer]

I don't see anything wrong with this.

If you use it, pay for it. It's an amenity above and beyond the normal timeshare services.

I should not have to pay $72 a week for something I don't use to subsidize a family of 10 using the shuttle.

I also agree. As I said in other posts, this really smelled like a scheme to get owners at other Wyndham resorts to subsidize the maintenance fees at BC. I was hoping this would get shot-down, as it would have set a very bad precedent.

 

[Ginger's Mom]

When there is policy change with ANYTHING to do with Wyn--it is a scheme. Remember when they took away our ability to transfer points among ourselves--"for our own well-being" (some BS about security)?????

Then they started changing the VIP program--because it was a program and COULD be changed?

And now they are selling CWA and the Presidential level as a way to eclipse VIP and sell more points.

IMHO, with Wyn, it is ALWAYS about money.

Anne in SE FL

 

[vacationhopeful]

IMHO, with Wyn, it is ALWAYS about money.

Anne in SE FL

Anne,
You have it right -- just tweeking it a little ... It is always "about putting OUR MONEY in THEIR bank accounts" now using mainly smoke and mirrors.

And they have figured out WHY build more resorts, when we can lease them or get FREE weeks from the HOAs by having our employees stacked on their HOA boards.

No, you can sell a mud week Colorado or a Jan week in Myrtle Beach, but you can put the fixed week deeds and MFs into CWA, and label it as ARP in Myrtle Beach or at a ski resort without no new bricks and mortor costs ... all done with SMOKE and MIRRORs.

 

[ronparise]

Anne,
You have it right -- just tweeking it a little ... It is always "about putting OUR MONEY in THEIR bank accounts" now using mainly smoke and mirrors.

And they have figured out WHY build more resorts, when we can lease them or get FREE weeks from the HOAs by having our employees stacked on their HOA boards.

No, you can sell a mud week Colorado or a Jan week in Myrtle Beach, but you can put the fixed week deeds and MFs into CWA, and label it as ARP in Myrtle Beach or at a ski resort without no new bricks and mortor costs ... all done with SMOKE and MIRRORs.

Linda ...did you mean cant sell

I wouldnt be so quick to condemn this practice. They may only be working with foreclosures now, but that provides an outlet for the resorts and will serve to keep bad debt at the resorts down and as a result, our maintenance fees...When Wyndhan puts something in CWA they also take on the responsibility to pay the maintenance fees.

In the future we may look back and say..."you know, that was the beginning of Wyndham creating a secondary market and the beginning of the turn around in the price of "used" Wyndham timeshares..


That Wyndham can take something worthless and turn it into something of value. Is I think a good thing...that they are able to make money doing it , is a 'who cares'.

 

[lcml11]

Linda ...did you mean cant sell

I wouldnt be so quick to condemn this practice. They may only be working with foreclosures now, but that provides an outlet for the resorts and will serve to keep bad debt at the resorts down and as a result, our maintenance fees...When Wyndhan puts something in CWA they also take on the responsibility to pay the maintenance fees.

In the future we may look back and say..."you know, that was the beginning of Wyndham creating a secondary market and the beginning of the turn around in the price of "used" Wyndham timeshares..


That Wyndham can take something worthless and turn it into something of value. Is I think a good thing...that they are able to make money doing it , is a 'who cares'.

I would not knock Myrtle Beach or Access on picking up timeshares by Wyndham or anyone else. It consistently draws bids on E-Bay with limited availability given the number of units under the Wyndham banner there.

Owners of the various resorts, no dought, benifit from the adding of available pre-owned units into Access. As noted, it would help with default rates and make the remaining units available on the re-sale market more valuable over time.

As far as that week in January for Myrtle Beach, going to Access, as far as I know, does not give it ARP rights into the Summer months.

 

[andymc01]

I just got this email from the Bonnet Creek Home owners Association:

Dear Owner:

As a result of recent feedback, the Bonnet Creek Home Owners Association has reversed the recently communicated $12 per unit / per day transportation fee for guests staying at Wyndham Bonnet Creek Resort. Beginning March 1, 2013, transportation fees will only be applied to individuals who use the Walt Disney World® Resort shuttles at the resort.

We remain committed to delivering exceptional Count On Me! service and creating vacation memories for you and your family and friends.

Thank you for your continued feedback and ongoing support. We look forward to helping you get on your next vacation.

Sincerely,
Richard Scinta, Resort Manager
On behalf of the Board of Directors of
Bonnet Creek Resort Vacation Condominium Association, Inc.

It looks like the feedback was heard. Glad to see the change.

Andy

 

[Don40]

I guess we the owners do have some control if we stick together. I am sure threatening to give low ratings rang a bell.

 

[lcml11]

Interesting, I just got the e-mail from the resort director on the parking fee. I am not a owner at Bonnet Creek, however, I do own a access contract.

 

[scootr5]

Of course, now the word from another board is that they are going to charge a fee of $5 per person round trip to use the shuttle (with kids under 3 free).

A family of four going to the park in the morning and then again in the evening will now pay $40. IIRC, it's $14 to park your car at Disney, and you can use the receipt at any park all day.

 

[lcml11]

Of course, now the word from another board is that they are going to charge a fee of $5 per person round trip to use the shuttle (with kids under 3 free).

A family of four going to the park in the morning and then again in the evening will now pay $40. IIRC, it's $14 to park your car at Disney, and you can use the receipt at any park all day.

Dear Owner:
;
As a result of recent feedback, the Bonnet Creek Home Owners Association has reversed the recently communicated $12 per unit / per day transportation fee for guests staying at Wyndham Bonnet Creek Resort. Beginning March 1, 2013, transportation fees will only be applied to individuals who use the Walt Disney World®; Resort shuttles at the resort.
;
We remain committed to delivering exceptional Count On Me! service and creating vacation memories for you and your family and friends.
;
Thank you for your continued feedback and ongoing support. We look forward to helping you get on your next vacation.
;
Sincerely,
Richard Scinta, Resort Manager
On behalf of the Board of Directors of
Bonnet Creek Resort Vacation Condominium Association, Inc.



6277 Sea Harbor Drive, Orlando, FL 32821:rofl:

Trying to run down why I got the E-Mail. Called the resort, they claim they have no way of telling who is a owner and who is not. They say the fee is going to be applied to all owners both Club Wyndham Plus and Club Wyndham Access. They say this is the most recent change. Please note: The only dollar amount for the fee in question on this E-Mail is $12 and they are now saying it is per room for each day the shuttle is used a specific dollar amount was not discusssed. Round and Round it goes where it stops nobody knows.

Called the title insurance company for the Access contract, my contract has no specific resort that is backing it up. The insurance company has insured that I will get my 86,000 Club Wyndham Access points on an annual basis. I apparently got the E-Mail because I was a Club Wyndham Access owner or in the alternative, they sent it to everyone that is a member of the POA.

Very interesting.

 

[Pietin]

If it cost less to park at the parks, more people will do that. More traffic going to the park will mean longer wait in traffic. Which means more pollution. Didn't Bonnet Creek just receive a award for being "green"? This is a very "green" fee.

 

[Bourne]

Didn't Bonnet Creek just receive a award for being "green"? This is a very "green" fee.

They are focussing on the other "green(backs)".

 

[lcml11]

Of course, now the word from another board is that they are going to charge a fee of $5 per person round trip to use the shuttle (with kids under 3 free).

A family of four going to the park in the morning and then again in the evening will now pay $40. IIRC, it's $14 to park your car at Disney, and you can use the receipt at any park all day.

Just got off the phone with the Resort Manager. He did not agree with what his front desk advised this morning relating to the per room charge for use per day. He said it is $5 per round trip per person.

He also indicated that the Resort has no way to tell who is an owner at Bonnet Creek. I find it very hard to believe that the Resort does not know who their owners are, but that is the company line.

 

[csxjohn]

Wow, that hopeful improvement went backwards. ...

I agree - those who use it should pay for it, otherwise it raises the MF for all owners. We are going to Bonnet Creek in the spring, and I will be happy to pay this fee -...

This change is not a step back wards!

Denise is right, those who use this service should pay for it.

This is not an amenity like a pool or hot tub that you normally find at a timeshare resort. This is above and beyond and if you want to use it , pay for it. Don't expect those who will never use it to subsidize the use.

BC can't seem to win on this one.

If you stay at the Wyndham in Nashville and want transportation into town, you must pay a limo service or hire a cab.

At least here the shuttles are reasonably priced and already on the property.

 

[lcml11]

This change is not a step back wards!

Denise is right, those who use this service should pay for it.

This is not an amenity like a pool or hot tub that you normally find at a timeshare resort. This is above and beyond and if you want to use it , pay for it. Don't expect those who will never use it to subsidize the use.

BC can't seem to win on this one.

If you stay at the Wyndham in Nashville and want transportation into town, you must pay a limo service or hire a cab.

At least here the shuttles are reasonably priced and already on the property.

I would tend to think that there is a difference between a limo or cab and what is basically a small bus. $5 dollars per person round trip for what amounts to a bus service for a couple mile trip sounds like predatory pricing to me. For a small group, call the taxi, it might be cheaper. For what it is worth, Wyndham Corporate actually suggested that as an option. If everyone did this, this could actually end up being more expensive for someone other than owners and guests. Someone has to pay for the vehicles and drivers. If the owners do not and the guests do not. Oh, well.

 

[C30NY]

So is this an actual Walt Disney World owned shuttle, or a Wyndham owned shuttle transporting you?

What about us DisneyWorld AP owners, who have Disney transportation free due to AP ownership? How will they know who to charge or not charge in that case?

 

[ronparise]

So is this an actual Walt Disney World owned shuttle, or a Wyndham owned shuttle transporting you?

What about us DisneyWorld AP owners, who have Disney transportation free due to AP ownership? How will they know who to charge or not charge in that case?

I know its not a Disney shuttle, and I dont think its Wyndham owned. The Bonnet creek Resort contracts for it (Im pretty sure)

 

[csxjohn]

I would tend to think that there is a difference between a limo or cab and what is basically a small bus. $5 dollars per person round trip for what amounts to a bus service for a couple mile trip sounds like predatory pricing to me. For a small group, call the taxi, it might be cheaper. For what it is worth, Wyndham Corporate actually suggested that as an option. If everyone did this, this could actually end up being more expensive for someone other than owners and guests. Someone has to pay for the vehicles and drivers. If the owners do not and the guests do not. Oh, well.

$2.50 for a ride from a resort to anywhere is cheap. As Denise pointed out, if someone can't afford $5 for a round trip ride to the park they are in over their heads when they go to pay for anything in the park including tickets.

The last time I was there, a small bottle of water cost $5. In relation to that I'd say the shuttle fee is a bargain.

I'm sure that if a taxi costs less from BC to Disney, people will be doing that. The main thing is, those not wanting transportation to the park won't be paying for someone else who does.

 

[geekette]

$2.50 for a ride from a resort to anywhere is cheap. As Denise pointed out, if someone can't afford $5 for a round trip ride to the park they are in over their heads when they go to pay for anything in the park including tickets.

The last time I was there, a small bottle of water cost $5. In relation to that I'd say the shuttle fee is a bargain.

I'm sure that if a taxi costs less from BC to Disney, people will be doing that. The main thing is, those not wanting transportation to the park won't be paying for someone else who does.

agree. $5 round trip sounds pretty good to me, not predatory, and super-convenient over calling cab, etc.

Besides, the tykes are free and won't those little bodies be the bulk of the passengers?

It's nice to see a usage fee vs what I would consider predatory in bilking everyone whether you use it or not.

 

[C30NY]

So this new structure will apply to everyone staying at BC, including owners?

 

[lcml11]

agree. $5 round trip sounds pretty good to me, not predatory, and super-convenient over calling cab, etc.

Besides, the tykes are free and won't those little bodies be the bulk of the passengers?

It's nice to see a usage fee vs what I would consider predatory in bilking everyone whether you use it or not.

Maingate Transportation is the service that Bonnet Creek uses, according to their front desk.

 

[lcml11]

So this new structure will apply to everyone staying at BC, including owners?

According to Bonnet Creek, the answer is yes. According to Wyndham Coorporate, their E-Mail per person said person. The issue on children 3 and under is open to who you talk to, Wyndham Coorporate, the Resort, or the e-mail.

I guess the bottom line for owners, the level of service they have available for their maintance fees at Bonnet Creek has just gone down.

"Walt Disney World®; Resort shuttles at the resort" To soften the blow, it looks like the resort is describing them as the Walt Disney World shuttle. To bad this does not appear to be true. Maybe Walt Disney World should go for a piece of their revenue for the use of the their trademarked name.

 

[C30NY]

My thinking is why would the HOA reverse/change the policy, and INCLUDE themselves in having to pay. Maybe I'm just not as generous of a person as the members of the board? :rofl: As you state, they just devalued their own level of service.