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RCI Weeks to offer value transparency

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Ah, one new nugget of information:
3.The ability to combine multiple deposits from multiple RCI affiliated resorts and use years into a combined Deposit for a fee
So it sounds like the "change" can probably be combined for free, but they'll charge if you want to combine multiple deposits to trade up.

I think that's probably a good thing. It makes those high trading value units/weeks even more valuable.
 
RCI Enhancement: 10 Saved Searches

It looks like you can now have 10 saved searches instead of 5. Much needed!

Now if they could just fix some of the bugs.
 
Ten Saved Searches

Ten searches should be enough for most RCI members.

At one point, about 3 years ago, I had 6 weeks in the bank, and that feature would be real handy.

Now I am down to one banked week, but I still use the saved searches feature.
 
Ah, one new nugget of information:So it sounds like the "change" can probably be combined for free, but they'll charge if you want to combine multiple deposits to trade up.

I think that's probably a good thing. It makes those high trading value units/weeks even more valuable.


Nothing RCI does is ever good for the majority of people, it is always less for more money, there will be some who win, most will lose, probably more flexibility if you have lots of deposits, but at what cost? At my resort, we are big losers, now we can combine deposits and a fee to get something, and our resort is a good resort. Our dues were $660 plus $179 for exchange for some nice properties, now maybe 1 and a half units at $990, plus $179, plus the fee to combine, even if its $50 that will be a lot for an exchange. It will be hard to imagine many owners rushing to get the same thing for so much more cost. I cant wait to hear the rci reports over the next few years at our annual meeting, even since the devaluation on 5/30, deposits are way down compared to the last 10 years, the nice thing is that it already bothers the RCI Rep. :D
 
Largely what we expected

The extra fee to combine is annoying to me--especially if it's a significant amount, e.g. $89 or more.

Yes, this could mitigate the raid on the top units.

But it also hurts those who may have two Blue units and want to exchange for a Red unit.

Or those with lower-tier resorts, who want to trade for a middle-tier resort.

It also complicates things for those with locked units. I have always deposited my locked 2-bedroom as two one-bedrooms. Now, I will need to make a decision on whether to deposit as a two-bedroom, or as two one-bedrooms and realize that I may need to combine them and pay an extra fee.

The email does confirm that the new system will be effective November 15, as many have speculated.
 
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I am sorry to say I just haven't had the time to follow all the posts on this topic. Will we still be able to "trade up" at 45 days? Or will that be gone?

I was planning to try to rent most of my weeks next year since I have too many on deposit. If they don't rent, I deposit them late, which may be a problem under the new system.

Sheila

RCI claims they are not changing how they determine the trading power of units. If this is accurate, you still should be able to deposit in less than 45 days. But I agree we do not know for sure.
 
I like the idea of a "visible" trading value exchange system for Weeks Exchange. I have pointed out in the past my opinion on this and my puzzlement on why RCI needed to introduce the Points System in the first place.

As many have posted here, it was mainly for RCI`s and the Resort Developer`s own benefit. Anyway that`s in the past.

However, RCI have always given the impression of pushing the Points System for all their worth, but so far only a minority of Members have changed over to it.

Now here we have a new Points Lite, so we can expect the current "Weeks Exchange" to dissappear. Its not a case of "Weeks Exchange", "Lite Points" and "Points FD"

The first one, to which most of us belong, will disappear, and we will be left with two Points systems. Points Lite and Points FD.

So wave bye bye! We will all be in a Points Exchange System.

Mission partly accomplished.

Next step, combine the two Points Systems into One.

I hope that the new points Lite will be better, easier to use (website dependent!) and fairer.

But will it?

Questions raised are:

1. Why did RCI remove the details of the new P.L. from their website?

"If you confirm an Exchange with a lower trading power than your deposited week, you'll get a Deposit Credit for the remaining trading power you didn't use, which will appear as a new Deposit on your account for you to use however you like. Combine it with another Deposit or use it on its own to look for and book another vacation! **

** These vacations are limited. Destinations and travel times are subject to availability and confirmed on a first come, first served basis.


Why do RCI say the weeks available are limited? Was there any need for them to say this? Why are they limited?

If the banding system is removed, this goes against the traditional principles of RCI, that weeks can only be exchanged "like for like" . I anticipate that RCI would wish to retain this aspect of the Weeks System.

If the weeks were in one big band, all these weeks would be available to allcomers providing they have enough Lite Points available. So I don`t think that these weeks available would be limited. Thus this supports the idea that bands will be retained.


2. How long will we have to spend "Left Over Lite Points".? If other systems eg Points FD, or Airmiles etc they will have a "shelf life". Use them or lose them. And the shelf life is of course determined by RCI and is subject to change.


3. The entry in another thread posted by jerseygirl is revealing.
quote from Starwood " The ability to combine multiple deposits from multiple RCI affiliated resorts and use years into a combined Deposit for a fee"

Why do we have to pay a fee for combining unused portions of weeks deposited? (obvious). Will that fee apply for unused portions of weeks from the Same Resort?

The only reason we would want to combine weeks left over is for upgrading, so we may have no option but to pay a fee.







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I like the idea of a "visible" trading value exchange system for Weeks Exchange. I have pointed out in the past my opinion on this and my puzzlement on why RCI needed to introduce the Points System in the first place.

As many have posted here, it was mainly for RCI`s and the Resort Developer`s own benefit. Anyway that`s in the past.

However, RCI have always given the impression of pushing the Points System for all their worth, but so far only a minority of Members have changed over to it.
The reason most of us never changed over is because of the fee involved - if we own multiple weeks at more than one resort, we have to pay as much as $3000 per resort to change to RCI Points. I suspect RCI envisioned a system where most members would convert, but the developers got in the way.

This time around, they are converting everybody, and the developers don't get any extra money.
Now here we have a new Points Lite, so we can expect the current "Weeks Exchange" to dissappear. Its not a case of "Weeks Exchange", "Lite Points" and "Points FD"

The first one, to which most of us belong, will disappear, and we will be left with two Points systems. Points Lite and Points FD.

So wave bye bye! We will all be in a Points Exchange System.

Mission partly accomplished.

Next step, combine the two Points Systems into One.
That won't happen without people who paid $3000 to convert crying foul. If anything, we will probably see them becoming more and more alike, but RCI will maintain some sort of benefit for the points owners - such as split-week usage (for those resorts that offer it). Remember also that RCI Points assumes you are depositing, where RCI Weeks waits for you to deposit. As such an RCI Points member can reserve his own week, and then cancel it when he decided he wants to do something else, and still have his full allotment of points. RCI Weeks members will only get a full allotment of credits by depositing 9 months ahead. RCI almost has to maintain some differences.
I hope that the new points Lite will be better, easier to use (website dependent!) and fairer.

But will it?

Questions raised are:

1. Why did RCI remove the details of the new P.L. from their website?

"If you confirm an Exchange with a lower trading power than your deposited week, you'll get a Deposit Credit for the remaining trading power you didn't use, which will appear as a new Deposit on your account for you to use however you like. Combine it with another Deposit or use it on its own to look for and book another vacation! **

** These vacations are limited. Destinations and travel times are subject to availability and confirmed on a first come, first served basis.


Why do RCI say the weeks available are limited? Was there any need for them to say this? Why are they limited?
They are limited because the remainder points are likely to be in small increments - such that they may only qualify for blue studios or last-minute exchanges
If the banding system is removed, this goes against the traditional principles of RCI, that weeks can only be exchanged "like for like" . I anticipate that RCI would wish to retain this aspect of the Weeks System.

If the weeks were in one big band, all these weeks would be available to allcomers providing they have enough Lite Points available. So I don`t think that these weeks available would be limited. Thus this supports the idea that bands will be retained.
Most of us believe there will still be bands, but not in the same broad sense. Rather than dumping your week into one of 10 bins, there will be 60 bins, so fewer weeks will be considered a perfectly even exchange.
2. How long will we have to spend "Left Over Lite Points".? If other systems eg Points FD, or Airmiles etc they will have a "shelf life". Use them or lose them. And the shelf life is of course determined by RCI and is subject to change.
Since there is a shelf life to your original deposit, it only makes sense for there to be a shelf life for the remainder points. Otherwise you'll have the person who deposits a week worth 60 credits, who then uses 5 points for a single last-minute reservation, and leaving the remainin 55 points for however long they wish. Not a good idea.
3. The entry in another thread posted by jerseygirl is revealing.
quote from Starwood " The ability to combine multiple deposits from multiple RCI affiliated resorts and use years into a combined Deposit for a fee"

Why do we have to pay a fee for combining unused portions of weeks deposited? (obvious). Will that fee apply for unused portions of weeks from the Same Resort?
You can't really compare two different systems that way. What starwood was suggesting was the ability to in effect exchange multiple weeks within Starwood internally, to get a single high-value Starwood week to deposit to RCI. With a new Credit system, that whould not be necessary.
The only reason we would want to combine weeks left over is for upgrading, so we may have no option but to pay a fee.
RCI has not said whether they will charge a fee to combine points. I could see it going either way. But even if they don't charge to combine them, assuming you're using 5 leftover points from each of 4 weeks to get an extra 20-point week, you're still paying an exchange fee. Do you call that an extra fee?
 
What starwood was suggesting was the ability to in effect exchange multiple weeks within Starwood internally, to get a single high-value Starwood week to deposit to RCI. With a new Credit system, that whould not be necessary.RCI has not said whether they will charge a fee to combine points. I could see it going either way. But even if they don't charge to combine them, assuming you're using 5 leftover points from each of 4 weeks to get an extra 20-point week, you're still paying an exchange fee. Do you call that an extra fee?

Starwood's email was specific to the new RCI platform. See the related, long thread for the full text.
 
Has RCI ever implemented an "enhancement" that didn't also enrich their bottom line? Should we really be surprised that new fees are a component of the changes.
 
As I have previously posted, the piddling change back on a close week that does not have exactly the same numbers is inconsequential and one can throw it away if he wants with no problem. What is aggravating is the nickle and diming in both directions for trades that are so close they are essentially equivalent. That is what stinks in an exact number system. It is a major imposition to have to tie up an entire second week for a handful on points lite to come out to an equal number. A system based on bands, and on bands like the old bands, is more user friendly than an exact number system. IF you have to tie up even a tiny fraction of a second week, that keeps you from using it yourself, renting it, or giving it to another exchange company.


Maybe I am missing something but, it seems to me the only time trading within a band is flexible is if you are on the bottom end of that band. I for the life of me can't see why you would not want "change back" if what you requested was valued lower.

It would be nice if my maintenance fee were payable by bands. If the fees were between $401 and $449 then I would pay $450. If they were between $450 and $499 I would pay $500.

That would be a great deal until the fees reached $451 at which time I would become furious with the band system.
 
What will happen to the internal trade preference in the mini systems. VRI has a 30 day priority period. Starwood has a priority period in RCI. With Wyndham I can trade up to a 2 br with a studio because of an internal trade preference. Any thoughts???:shrug: Dawn
 
That's one of the unknowns. RCI hasn't given us any indication whether group priorities (and 45 day exchanges and PFD and trading bands and many other things) will continue as they are or change or be eliminated, but with such a fundamental change to the entire system you never know what's going to be impacted until you see the final product. We'll know for sure in a little over 2 weeks.
 
That's one of the unknowns. RCI hasn't given us any indication whether group priorities (and 45 day exchanges and PFD and trading bands and many other things) will continue as they are or change or be eliminated, but with such a fundamental change to the entire system you never know what's going to be impacted until you see the final product. We'll know for sure in a little over 2 weeks.

- Group priorities will still work

- You will NOT be able to do PFD on credits

- close date discounts will still be there, in fact you will be able to snatch and grab last minute, ie you use a 20 and book a 20 even trade, get the insurance, 2 weeks from check in same unit is available for 10 cancel what you have re book and you end up with a 10 credit no extra cost.......

- Putting 2 weeks together, 1 week and a credit, 2 credits etc all will have a fee last I heard 79.00 RCI is in it for the bucks.

- When you add to a week, either 2 banks or a credit and a bank etc the new week will be good for 2 years from that dates month end. So if you have 2 weeks that are about to expire put them together and the new week is good for 2 more years........I wonder if they thought of this no more extending deposits......

That's all I can remember from my last conversation with my friend......

Dave
 
Incredible information, Dave! Thanks so much for getting this from your friend, and for sharing.
- Group priorities will still work
Any idea how those will work? Right now, it looks like we get "extra trading power" for resorts in the same group. For instance, I have a 1BR deposit in resort A and a 2BR deposit in resort B. The B deposit sees 21% more units, so it has better trading value. But if I look at units within A's group, my A deposit sees almost twice as many units.

- You will NOT be able to do PFD on credits
PFD of full weeks (that haven't been partially used or combined with other weeks/credits) will still be possible, right?

- close date discounts will still be there, in fact you will be able to snatch and grab last minute, ie you use a 20 and book a 20 even trade, get the insurance, 2 weeks from check in same unit is available for 10 cancel what you have re book and you end up with a 10 credit no extra cost.......
Are you just using 10 as an example? Won't all close in deposits be 5 (the lowest trading power)?

- Putting 2 weeks together, 1 week and a credit, 2 credits etc all will have a fee last I heard 79.00 RCI is in it for the bucks.
Still not bad in the scheme of things. If I combine two deposits with $300 MFs that get a trading power of 30, that gives me a true tiger (60) for just $679. Add a $179 exchange fee, and for $858 I would be able to exchange into units with MFs of $2000-$2500 or more. (That's assuming you can find a 30 TP for $300 MF or less, which I think is possible with some lockoffs.)

Do you have any idea what the TP ranges for the 6 current bands are? 5-?, ?-?, ?-?, ?-?, ?-?, ?-60

Can you confirm whether banding will go away or not?

I've seen people mention that you will be able to see your trading power before depositing (which could really help picking a floating week), but I haven't seen that in anything official or unofficial from RCI. Any ideas if that's really going to happen?
 
That won't happen without people who paid $3000 to convert crying foul.

Yeah right, RCI is really worried about the t/s public crying foul!! LOL!!!!
Been there done that.

You said it yourself, it was the resorts not RCI that charged these high conversion fees, pretty easy for RCI to put the blame elsewhere, but of course it does not even matter because they simply don't care.

BTW I was recently contacted by a resort I own that I can now convert into points for the just the $199 RCI fee. The resort is NOT charging anything to convert. Perhaps this is the beginning of the putting the 2 systems together. I was going to buy a points resort awhile back to take advantage of PFD. I'm not doing anything now until this shakes out a bit more.
Long term, we'll mainly use the weeks we own (other than SA) to use and not trade.
 
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Excellent point, Dundey.
 
As I have previously posted, the piddling change back on a close week that does not have exactly the same numbers is inconsequential and one can throw it away if he wants with no problem. What is aggravating is the nickle and diming in both directions for trades that are so close they are essentially equivalent. That is what stinks in an exact number system. It is a major imposition to have to tie up an entire second week for a handful on points lite to come out to an equal number. A system based on bands, and on bands like the old bands, is more user friendly than an exact number system. IF you have to tie up even a tiny fraction of a second week, that keeps you from using it yourself, renting it, or giving it to another exchange company.

Carol,

You have finally won me over. Knowing the value of your week is a terrible inflexible thing. Knowing the value of all inventory out there is a terrible terrible thing. Being able to make an informed consumer decision is terribly inflexible. The arrogance of a company to say "hello what you are taking out is worth less than what you are giving us is ridiculous" and it is outright outrageious that a company might say sorry mate you are a tad bit short on your payment but you do have other payment options for this ridiculously overpriced 3 bedroom in Hawaii is shocking.

I am going to start boycotting all companies that don't do business only in bands. Oh wait that would mean I would boycott everyone except the exchange companies.

You have converted me though it is shocking that RCI might want to give us credits back for a future exchange. If you get credits back from your exchange can you please send them my way? I will make that painful step and try to use them.

On a serious note i would expect a fee to combine credits
 
RCI Weeks Numeric Trade Power to Start November 15th

Here is an email I got this morning from my HOA on the RCI Weeks... it looks like the official date will be November 15th.

"Dear Valued Owner,

RCI, LLC (RCI) recently announced to Resort affiliates that on November 15, 2010 changes will be implemented to the RCI® Weeks* program. You are receiving this email because our records indicate that you are currently or were previously a member of RCI. If you are no longer a member of RCI you may disregard this message.

The changes to the RCI Weeks program include:

The disclosure of the numeric Deposit Trading Power of all available deposited weeks in your member account
The disclosure of the numeric Exchange Trading Power required to confirm an available exchange week
The ability to combine multiple deposits from multiple RCI affiliated resorts and use years into a combined Deposit for a fee
Receive a Deposit Credit when you accept an exchange that requires less Exchange Trading Power than your Deposited Week to use for a future exchange
After November 15th, the calculation of the Trading Power for any future weeks you deposited with RCI will be determined by RCI based on:

the demand, supply, and utilization of your Vacation Time, and the Affiliated Resort and geographic region associated with your Vacation Time;
the seasonal designation of your Vacation Time;
the size and type of your unit (i.e., number of bedrooms, kitchen type and maximum/private occupancy of the physical unit);
comment card scores that RCI compiles from comments submitted by Members who visit your Affiliated Resort;
the Average Deposit Trading Power of all the intervals in the reservation season you purchased from your home resort, combined with how far in advance each week was pre-deposited with RCI on your behalf
Owners requesting RCI deposits between November 9 and December 15, 2010 may experience a temporary processing delay until mid-December 2010 as the final blended Trading Power is calculated by RCI. Be assured that all requests will be honored in the order received, and you will receive an electronic confirmation once your transaction has been processed.
The Trading Power of available Deposits in your RCI account prior to November 15, 2010 will be based on the date of Deposit and the start date of the Deposited Vacation Time for the week that was transferred into your RCI Membership Account by Owner Services.

There will be no changes to how you request an exchange with RCI. You will continue to contact Owner Services and we will be happy to provide a deposit to RCI on your behalf.

You can find more information regarding RCI’s Announcement in your most recent issue of Endless Vacation magazine. If you have additional questions regarding the RCI Weeks program changes, please contact RCI at 1-800-433-5400.

Sincerely
SVO Management, Inc.

*These changes do not apply to RCI members who have enrolled your vacation ownership weeks in the RCI® Points program."


Peggy
 
I can hardly wait to see how badly RCI screws this one up.

:hysterical:

Oh the love of RCI. Maybe they will get it right this time. :crash:
 
I would expect a fee to combine too.. why wouldn't they charge a fee? they are providing a srevice and a service costs. Right or wrong that's how businesses generally work.

Where I see a slippery slope is that once I do an non-exact exchange, either up or down, I have leftover credits. More than likely I'll have to pay a combo fee to be able to use the leftovers. I make an exchange and once again have leftovers. Now there's another combo fee to be faced.. and it keeps going on like that. It'll be tricky to find a 2nd or 3rd or whatever exchange down the road that will get me back to even (no leftovers).

If I do 3 exchanges and have 3 leftovers and want to combine them to be able to make an exchange will I pay 2 combo fees or just one as I am doing the combo all at once? I know the answer is not available yet, but I think it's going to be a real question people have.
 
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