Pros and cons of converting from club Wyndham to Travel and Leisure?

[pointsguy]

Wyndham keeps trying to get us to convert over to Travel and Leisure. Curious pros and cons of converting to Travel and Leisure.

 

[dioxide45]

Wyndham keeps trying to get us to convert over to Travel and Leisure. Curious pros and cons of converting to Travel and Leisure.

There is no such thing as converting over to Travel + Leisure.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Wyndham keeps trying to get us to convert over to Travel and Leisure. Curious pros and cons of converting to Travel and Leisure.

That's pure BS from sales to get you to buy more Wyndham developer points - nothing more. T&L became the parent company not long after Wyndham Destinations purchased T&L back a few years ago now. T&L has exactly nothing to do with anything timeshare related - except for the fact that Wyndham Destinations became a wholly owned subsidiary of T&L as a public company traded on the stock market - in other words it's strictly a financial arrangement. T&L has nothing, nothing, to do with the timeshare entity. Stop going to sales updates - that's our best recommendation for folks who aren't savvy with the ploys used by sales to attempt to get unsuspecting owners to buy more timeshare points.

 

[Floridaman76]

"Convert to Travel and Leisure" = buy more points

The points you already own are the exact same points that you would get if you "converted" aka, bought more points

 

[bnoble]

So, the con is that it is very expensive.

The pro is that you would have more points. But that's only a pro if you need more points. And if you need more points, it is probably better to get them via resale for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Floridaman76]

If you need more points, buy resale

 

[rickandcindy23]

Wyndham sales' department is relentless. What new "benefit" will they think of next?

 

[geist1223]

I believe it was Wyndumb that bought T&L and guaranteed the Editorial Independence of the Magazine. Then adopted the name of T&L. Lip Stick on a Pig.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Wyndham keeps trying to get us to convert over to Travel and Leisure. Curious pros and cons of converting to Travel and Leisure.

That’s not a thing. They’re lying to you to get you to buy developer points.

 

[WManning]

Con is your spending upwards $300/100 at a minimum of 30k to have same ownership with more maintenance fees.
Pro is you declined their offer and save thousands.

 

[rsn2bhappy]

We were just had an "update" yesterday. It seems that converting to travel and leisure is twofold: first, you are buying more points, and second, if you own a deeded property, you are transfering the deed to them "in trust". But the most disturbing part of this was that they have a new "access" process based on points, and the lowest point level is above our points, meaning that when this kicks in, we will have little or no privilege to book vacations. In addition to that, one of the supervisors told us that they are "decommissioning" resorts, so essentially few of the resorts that our points get us into will still be in the system. We are very upset.

 

[jp10558]

We were just had an "update" yesterday. It seems that converting to travel and leisure is twofold: first, you are buying more points, and second, if you own a deeded property, you are transfering the deed to them "in trust". But the most disturbing part of this was that they have a new "access" process based on points, and the lowest point level is above our points, meaning that when this kicks in, we will have little or no privilege to book vacations. In addition to that, one of the supervisors told us that they are "decommissioning" resorts, so essentially few of the resorts that our points get us into will still be in the system. We are very upset.

There's a list here on TUG of resorts they're "probably" dropping. However, unless your points are generated from one of the listed resorts, that basically just means you can't book at those resorts. The rest of what they're telling you is just FUD to get you to spend money on more points. None of the existing locations points values are changing, as far as I know, they can't change once set. If you need more points, you can always get them cheaply or free on the resale market, but pay attention to the MFs required.

 

[paxsarah]

Also, there is no "access" process based on points. You can book at your home resort 13 months out, all other Club Wyndham resorts 10 months out, and Margaritaville locations 5 months out (or farther if you're VIP). The number of points only impacts how many points you have to book, but not the availability of what you see in each of those windows.

 

[Arimaas]

I just yesterday attended an hour and fifteen minutes sales presentation at Skyline Tower, Atlantic City, because they paid me $150 for my time, which more than covered gas, tolls, parking, and then some, on the way down from NY. The sales lady was pleasant enough, but the manager was the one with the hard sale, but she knew I was a resale owner, and used it as part of the pitch. She said, obviously you know about resale, and I wouldn't hold that against you. I said well gee thanks. Anyway, her pitch was I need to have a "hybrid" account because Wyndham is going to be changing your availability and you'll need both CWA and CWS points. I said I have them both in the account. Look again. She said, well you'll need more CWS, otherwise you won't be able to use your plan due to the changes in the coming year. I said, well, why don't I sit back and see how those changes effect me, if at all, before I plunk down money now on a guess. She said, well if you're willing to roll that dice, than fine. I said, what's to stop Wyndham from making more changes after you make these changes, making me spend more money? I think I made their head hurt. Either way, after an hour, I got up, said I'm going to the bathroom. When I get back, it's time to leave.

That was it. Sorry for the play by play in half sentences. I get such kick out of reposting these stores. I really do love the Wyndham product. I despise Wyndham Corporate (yes I hold them wholly responsible for these piss poor sales tactics and poor treating of customers) and Wyndham Sales. The only thing redeaming about the company is, the product itself and the staff at the resorts that work so hard to give you a great vacation.

 

[Floridaman76]

Most of what you were told is lies, take anything they say with a grain of salt.

They are being especially predatory right now in locations that are closing because those saps have nothing to lose, so their "lie game" is going to entirely new levels.

I feel sorry for resort staff who are losing their jobs as part of this, with the explicit exception of the sales team staff.

 

[LegacyOwner]

We were just had an "update" yesterday. It seems that converting to travel and leisure is twofold: first, you are buying more points, and second, if you own a deeded property, you are transfering the deed to them "in trust". But the most disturbing part of this was that they have a new "access" process based on points, and the lowest point level is above our points, meaning that when this kicks in, we will have little or no privilege to book vacations. In addition to that, one of the supervisors told us that they are "decommissioning" resorts, so essentially few of the resorts that our points get us into will still be in the system. We are very upset.

OMG
Wyndham has the most despicable sales force in the entire business and its obviously condoned from the very top.
If they blast you with bullshit, simply call the reservation line and ask if what the salesman say about reservations or priority is true!
Such crap!