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Proof that Marriott is off the mark (Better?) about II Trades drying up

Traded Thanksgiving week studio at Beach place for 2 br. at NCV for September 9-16

Traded 1 Br thanksgiving week at Beach Place for 1 Br. Casa Dorado in Cabo for January 2013.
 
Traded studio lock off at Aruba SC week 34 to 1br at Marriott breckinridge week 51. Last year we traded our 2 br SC week 33 to 2br at mountainside week 50.
 
I am not surprised- there is a relatively poor point allocation for Aruba resorts, and esp. Platinum (but even Gold) owners are much better off renting their weeks or trading in II or privately then exchanging for points. Conversely, points are a good bargain there, and at the other Caribbean resorts, for the exchanger; not so good for the owners but a good deal for someone looking to go there.

Absolutely correct ! We have a fairly large group of friends that we've met over the years through our ownership at the OC. Some trade more often than others, some choose to use their home property always. None of us seem to think we'll join DC since it provides simply no benefit for us because of the poor point allocation given to Aruba (meaning to the owner to turn in points).
Unlike many other destinations I think there are a great number of Aruba owners who only own Aruba so that they wont have the ability to add the points to their other point allocations.
On a personal note I keep reading and reading Tug given d-day coming in June thinking that I dont wish to miss the boat but then I start asking myself what would I ever use DC for ? Everytime I think perhaps we should join I go back and look at the point chart and find that there is nowhere we'd be able to go that we actually do go for the points we'd get for our 1 bdrm weeks. I'd prefer when trading to go outside of Marriott than get 4 or 5 days for a week. As an example...we didnt use our weeks last year....I banked them with I.I and was able to get a full week in a 1 bdrm back at the OC for one of them for the end of Nov this year so that our friends could join us when we're going for our usual 2 wks. With the second week we've booked a week in St. Maarten for next year at Oyster Pond also in a 1 bdrm which is an I.I gold leaf resort and looks lovely. For 14 nights I'm getting 14 nights. Why would I trade through DC when the most we could get on a similiar basis would be 9 or perhaps 10 nights for the point allocation we'd be given(unless of course we wanted to do Orlando:rolleyes: ) ?
 
Absolutely correct ! We have a fairly large group of friends that we've met over the years through our ownership at the OC. Some trade more often than others, some choose to use their home property always. None of us seem to think we'll join DC since it provides simply no benefit for us because of the poor point allocation given to Aruba (meaning to the owner to turn in points).
Unlike many other destinations I think there are a great number of Aruba owners who only own Aruba so that they wont have the ability to add the points to their other point allocations.
On a personal note I keep reading and reading Tug given d-day coming in June thinking that I dont wish to miss the boat but then I start asking myself what would I ever use DC for ? Everytime I think perhaps we should join I go back and look at the point chart and find that there is nowhere we'd be able to go that we actually do go for the points we'd get for our 1 bdrm weeks. I'd prefer when trading to go outside of Marriott than get 4 or 5 days for a week. As an example...we didnt use our weeks last year....I banked them with I.I and was able to get a full week in a 1 bdrm back at the OC for one of them for the end of Nov this year so that our friends could join us when we're going for our usual 2 wks. With the second week we've booked a week in St. Maarten for next year at Oyster Pond also in a 1 bdrm which is an I.I gold leaf resort and looks lovely. For 14 nights I'm getting 14 nights. Why would I trade through DC when the most we could get on a similiar basis would be 9 or perhaps 10 nights for the point allocation we'd be given(unless of course we wanted to do Orlando:rolleyes: ) ?

We absolutely agree with you. We always use our Aruba weeks. We own three, use two and usually rent the other one. We also own a platinum three bedroom week at Surfwatch. Our 4 platinum weeks would never give us 4 platinum weeks in the DC program. Like you I keep looking at the charts but I do not think we will join.
 
Regarding the DC, this has been covered extensively in other threads, so I don't mean to pile on again. But, the comparison given is not really accurate IMO.

By joining the DC, you gain options and if you own multiple Marriott weeks, you also very likely will spend less on trading fees, lock offs, etc. because this is covered in the annual DC fee for enrolled weeks.

You still can use your weeks trading just as you do now, but can also access the DC inventory if you so choose to and trade via points, you are not locked into either system. You choose each year.

Many have joined just to save on annual trading costs, and have no intent of taking points. Others like me are finding the flexiblity of points use very appealing for their personal circumstances.
 
Regarding the DC, this has been covered extensively in other threads, so I don't mean to pile on again. But, the comparison given is not really accurate IMO.

By joining the DC, you gain options and if you own multiple Marriott weeks, you also very likely will spend less on trading fees, lock offs, etc. because this is covered in the annual DC fee for enrolled weeks.

You still can use your weeks trading just as you do now, but can also access the DC inventory if you so choose to and trade via points, you are not locked into either system. You choose each year.

Many have joined just to save on annual trading costs, and have no intent of taking points. Others like me are finding the flexiblity of points use very appealing for their personal circumstances.

Not everyone would save on fees. It would actually cost us more as we do not own lockoffs and we would need a second II account.
 
Not everyone would save on fees. It would actually cost us more as we do not own lockoffs and we would need a second II account.

Ilene,
I was mostly responding to the the last two posts commenting about the loss of days by joining the DC. Which is only the case if you choose to use the DC in that method. If you choose to deposit and trade its equivalent.

Certainly everyone's individual circumstances vary so whether or not a particular person would "save" depends on how someone currently uses their weeks. Perhaps I should have stated that joining the DC provides a financial incentive to many multiple legacy week owners, besides added flexibility. Sorry if my statement did not fit your circumstances.

I wish you happy vacations ;)
 
As the June "deadline" approaches, I think those who haven't yet joined have to consider several factors:
-as posted above, will the fee savings from locking off and trading compensate for the annual cost and the enrollment fee over time, hopefully resulting in a savings?
-does your current usage and resort point allocation allow for near equivalent trading (number of days and unit size) and/or is the added flexibility of DC reservations worth the added cost in downgrading of number of days and/or unit size?
-are your weeks resale or developer purchased? This may not be a factor, but we should not overlook the fact that resale weeks are being offered an opportunity to be basically grandfathered and put on equal footing with developer weeks. Will Marriott institute changes in their internal trading system in the future that will be beneficial to DC members continuing to trade in weeks? Will there ultimately be a benefit to being an enrolled legacy week owner even if you continue to use weeks rather than converting to points, and will Marriott continue to welcome pre- June 2010 resale owners?
-As Luckybee pointed out, sometimes it is very nice to be able to get an extra week to invite friends or family. As I explained above, those resorts that were given poor point allocation relative to rental costs are conversely a relative bargain to reserve with points. Being a DC member allows one to rent points from others, which can be an interesting way to supplement one's ownership, without ever needing to convert one's week(s) to points. I can rent enough points to reserve a studio in Aruba, for example, for a quarter of the rack rate to reserve the unit or a room at the Marriott hotel on Marriott.com, and even using owner discounts the savings would be substantial. If I was even to do it one time the savings would offset the fee to join.

I give GregT a lot of credit for bringing this up several months back, and for me at least, it may be the most compelling reason to join. Like many of us, family dynamics change over time, and sometimes you just need an extra bedroom or studio unit.
 
Not everyone would save on fees. It would actually cost us more as we do not own lockoffs and we would need a second II account.

Lol...we wouldnt save either...we have 2-1 bdrm weeks....we've owned since I think 1998...we've only traded 3x's(twice at the last minute because of medical issues)...and we've always been able to get a week for a week...we've had I.I membership on and off throughout that time ...in other words sometimes we renew...sometimes we dont if we're sure we're not trading for awhile!

Interestingly also DC wouldnt give us options to use points in a manner that would work for us either even without considering the poor point allotment. We almost always use our timeshares end of Nov/beginning of Dec....as I understand one has to decide whether to use points by Sept of the previous year....we'd therefore be giving up our weeks before we would know if something we wanted was available....seems to me to be less options than a request first trade for us !
 
As Luckybee pointed out, sometimes it is very nice to be able to get an extra week to invite friends or family. As I explained above, those resorts that were given poor point allocation relative to rental costs are conversely a relative bargain to reserve with points. Being a DC member allows one to rent points from others, which can be an interesting way to supplement one's ownership, without ever needing to convert one's week(s) to points. I can rent enough points to reserve a studio in Aruba, for example, for a quarter of the rack rate to reserve the unit or a room at the Marriott hotel on Marriott.com, and even using owner discounts the savings would be substantial. If I was even to do it one time the savings would offset the fee to join.

Honestly not a reason for us to join either....we only ended up giving the week as a gift to friends because we know what our travel plans are for the next 2 years and given that we have about 6 non timeshare holidays(along with our weeks usage) in mind we didnt expect to be able to use the week...so it was a good time for us to be generous :)
 
Please stick with the program.....Is trading still working for you

The decision to join DC or not is certainly a big conversation here on TUG. But, Please join one of those threads. I am hoping to hear about good trades here.
mostly Marriott for Marriott, but, any great trade to show weeks are still a wonderful thing.
 
Just traded my Bronze 2013 Barony for April 6, 2013 at the Barony. Now that may not impress many, but April in SC is substantially better than April in Wisconsin. I could have traded it also for a two-bedroom in the middle of April at Desert Springs I or for Newport Coast in early April. January 11/12 for some reason worked much better in getting trades than the week before and the January weeks after.

OTOH, I used my 800 points and my Marriott Grand Chateau to get 10 days in January, which appears to be very off season, at the Kauai Beach Club. A one-bedroom (with two baths) OV. So that seemed to work for me OK. Again, anytime in January in Hawaii is better than anytime in January in Wisconsin.

Wife is very impressed. After 35 years of marriage still managing to impress one's spouse is a wonderment.

And, BTW, we will be at the Aruba Ocean Club for two weeks June-July. One week will be with the week we own; the other week will be with a Barony Silver. This is not the first time we have used the Silver to get a one-bedroom in Gold season at the Ocean Club.
 
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Mountainside Gold 1br for Newport Spring Break 2011
Mountainside Gold Studio for Mountainside 2br July 2011
Mountainside Gold Studio for Marbella 3br for Easter week this year. 2012
Mountainside Gold 1br for Newport next Easter 2013
Pretty happy with my Gold Mountainside so far.
 
New to Marriott so I have no idea what II trades were like prior to DC.. here are our trades that I had posted before.. LOVE IT!

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 1

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Oceana Palms • MVO
Unit: TBOV (2 bedrooms)
Week: 47 Thanksgiving

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Supplemental Week • MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 7

Confirmed To:
Marriott's OceanWatch Villas@Grand Dunes • MOW
Unit: TWOS (2 bedrooms)
Week: 34 Labour Day
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Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 10

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Aruba Surf Club • MSU
Unit: HZZAD (2 bedrooms)
Week: 27 4th of July
_______________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 52

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Frenchman's Cove • MFC
Unit: TOVI (2 bedrooms)
Week: 21 Memorial Day

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Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOGV (Efficiency)
Week: 7

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Ocean Pointe • MPB
Unit: HZZAO (3 bedrooms)
Week: 3
________________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOGV (Efficiency)
Week: 27

Confirmed To:
Marriott's OceanWatch Villas@Grand Dunes • MOW
Unit: TBOV (2 bedrooms)
Week: 39
 
Wow! Those trades are awesome! Well done.

New to Marriott so I have no idea what II trades were like prior to DC.. here are our trades that I had posted before.. LOVE IT!

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 1

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Oceana Palms • MVO
Unit: TBOV (2 bedrooms)
Week: 47 Thanksgiving

____________
Supplemental Week • MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 7

Confirmed To:
Marriott's OceanWatch Villas@Grand Dunes • MOW
Unit: TWOS (2 bedrooms)
Week: 34 Labour Day
______________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 10

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Aruba Surf Club • MSU
Unit: HZZAD (2 bedrooms)
Week: 27 4th of July
_______________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 52

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Frenchman's Cove • MFC
Unit: TOVI (2 bedrooms)
Week: 21 Memorial Day

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Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOGV (Efficiency)
Week: 7

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Ocean Pointe • MPB
Unit: HZZAO (3 bedrooms)
Week: 3
________________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOGV (Efficiency)
Week: 27

Confirmed To:
Marriott's OceanWatch Villas@Grand Dunes • MOW
Unit: TBOV (2 bedrooms)
Week: 39
 
Seems similar to what was out there before. Getting the *shoulder* holiday weeks seems to be fairly easy. I say shoulder because where and when you are traveling these are not the high peak holidays.

I am thinking you are using a Platinum MHZ? We have a gold and have a similar experience. Though we usually only travel over Memorial Week and then our others are more off season, we own gold.

New to Marriott so I have no idea what II trades were like prior to DC.. here are our trades that I had posted before.. LOVE IT!

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 1

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Oceana Palms • MVO
Unit: TBOV (2 bedrooms)
Week: 47 Thanksgiving

____________
Supplemental Week • MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 7

Confirmed To:
Marriott's OceanWatch Villas@Grand Dunes • MOW
Unit: TWOS (2 bedrooms)
Week: 34 Labour Day
______________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 10

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Aruba Surf Club • MSU
Unit: HZZAD (2 bedrooms)
Week: 27 4th of July
_______________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 52

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Frenchman's Cove • MFC
Unit: TOVI (2 bedrooms)
Week: 21 Memorial Day

------------------

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOGV (Efficiency)
Week: 7

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Ocean Pointe • MPB
Unit: HZZAO (3 bedrooms)
Week: 3
________________

Marriott's Harbour Lake
MHZ
Unit: TOGV (Efficiency)
Week: 27

Confirmed To:
Marriott's OceanWatch Villas@Grand Dunes • MOW
Unit: TBOV (2 bedrooms)
Week: 39
 
Yes, we are trading with a platinum week.. have been really happy with trades so far.. we like going off seasons when the weather is still nice and low crowds.. combing it with holidays means I get to stretch our my vacation days for more travel.. :D Not looking forward to being tied to a school schedule!

Seems similar to what was out there before. Getting the *shoulder* holiday weeks seems to be fairly easy. I say shoulder because where and when you are traveling these are not the high peak holidays.

I am thinking you are using a Platinum MHZ? We have a gold and have a similar experience. Though we usually only travel over Memorial Week and then our others are more off season, we own gold.
 
Yes, we are trading with a platinum week.. have been really happy with trades so far.. we like going off seasons when the weather is still nice and low crowds.. combing it with holidays means I get to stretch our my vacation days for more travel.. :D Not looking forward to being tied to a school schedule!

I agree, we are in the same position. We love the low crowds of off season and working a holiday in to a vacation week means we only have to take four vacation days out of work instead of five.

Though now we are at the point where we get almost five weeks of paid time off and working a holiday in to a vacation week isn't as big of a priority for us now, so we look even more off season. Means even less crowds and better prices on travel.
 
Do yourself a favor and see what you can get with Getaways instead of trading. You may find that you can get weeks in these shoulder seasons for around $500 or even less. Just a thought.

Yes, we are trading with a platinum week.. have been really happy with trades so far.. we like going off seasons when the weather is still nice and low crowds.. combing it with holidays means I get to stretch our my vacation days for more travel.. :D Not looking forward to being tied to a school schedule!
 
Do yourself a favor and see what you can get with Getaways instead of trading. You may find that you can get weeks in these shoulder seasons for around $500 or even less. Just a thought.

We actually bought a second week (Harbour Lake) instead of relying on getaways. Getaways are good for places like Orlando, Vegas, or Palms Springs. However, we have found that exchange inventory is far more plentiful than getaway inventory. While we can find some inventory in getaway for Ocean Pointe, we have been far more successful getting a week there through exchange than getaway. Prices can also fluctuate wildly in getaways. Since we have been able to use only one side of our lock off to get a 2BR at Ocean Pointe, it has worked out cheaper than getaways.

We had a similar experience with Surfwatch and Ocean Watch. Neither was available in getaway for when we wanted to travel, but they were easy exchanges with only one half of our lock off unit.

There is far more availability in exchange than in getaway and I don't have to try to "time the market" to try and get the best price for a getaway. Our price is fixed when using our week to get an exchange.
 
We had looked a bit in getaways but the prices just don't come close to around $500 for when we want to travel... We have a 2 bedroom Aruba Surf Club Oceanside for 4th of July week which costs us roughly $500MF + $169 Trade + even if I count the whole II membership $96 = $765 for the week.. No availability in getaways.. Redweek rentals are charging $1900 - $2800 from garden view to ocean front..

From that trade we also received a XYZ into Grande Vista in March.. :D

Do yourself a favor and see what you can get with Getaways instead of trading. You may find that you can get weeks in these shoulder seasons for around $500 or even less. Just a thought.
 
We had looked a bit in getaways but the prices just don't come close to around $500 for when we want to travel... We have a 2 bedroom Aruba Surf Club Oceanside for 4th of July week which costs us roughly $500MF + $169 Trade + even if I count the whole II membership $96 = $765 for the week.. No availability in getaways.. Redweek rentals are charging $1900 - $2800 from garden view to ocean front..

From that trade we also received a XYZ into Grande Vista in March.. :D

This is how we looked at it when we added our gold Harbour Lake. the MF at the time was about $900. At that time DC wasn't introduced so we still had to pay all the fees.

$900 + $89 (II membership at the time) + $75 (lock off fee at the time) + $99 + $99 (M to M exchange fee at the time).

That worked out to $1,262 and gave us two weeks for $631 per week. We could get at the time getaways in Orlando 2BRs for about $500, so we would still book those, but getting a 2BR at Ocean Pointe for that price in getaway either wasn't available or was more than $630. So we opted to buy the second week. Exchange inventory is far more plentiful and we can place requests in exchange where you have to keep checking for getaways and watching for the best price. Buying the second unit helped to stabilize our cost per week.

Of course, after enrollment our yearly costs go down once we have recouped that enrollment fee.
 
New Trade and New valuation method

I got a new II Exchange...Platinum Canyon Villas Studio traded to Gold Ocean Watch 2BR. I don't know how to tell if I can get an Ocean View instead of the Garden.

Valuation method
Canyon Villas Platinum Studio 1,950 points
Ocean Watch Gold 2BR GV 2,675 OV 2,900

We kind of have a feeling that we got a good trade when we upgrade resorts or upgrade room size. Is the point chart a way to quantify?

Or maybe I am just happy sometime when I trade a Platinum 2br I don't want for a Platinum 2br I do want and the desired week.
 
While other husbands were pampering their wives on Mother's Day, I was able to slip into II and trade a 1 br. Gold BeachPlace unit for a 2br at Aruba Surf Club for next May.
 
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