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Products with the highest depreciation! Timeshares make the list!

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I see cars like that $109k Grand Cherokee also made the list. Loses 50% its value in the 1st year.
 
I notice they don't mention jewelry or diamonds?
 
Diamonds tend to hold their value somewhat as long as you didn't get fleeced when purchasing.
 
Diamonds tend to hold their value somewhat as long as you didn't get fleeced when purchasing.
I think they retain value over time, but the retail markups are still pretty high. You lose those retail markeups when you walk out the door. Just like timeshare and the 100% retail markup.
 
Are there any other products out there that lose 100% of their value on day 1?
Dinner out tonight did as soon as I ate it. :D

I plan to buy a $1,300 IKON ski pass for the 2025/26 season and use it to ski the end of this ski season. The moment I first cross a lift gate a day after purchasing the season pass (day 0+1), the only value will be for the usage during the rest of this season and next ski season -- no refunds, just like a timeshare out of the rescission period.
 
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Somebody who writes for "investopedia" should learn to use the word "depreciation" better. That is really not "depreciation". That is a "Mark-To-Market Loss".
You can have a much larger "Mark-To-Market Loss" on anything just by paying too much for it. Paying too much does not mean it actually "depreciates" differently.

Value ... Market Value ... Price ... which of these are the same? when?
 
cars like that $109k Grand Cherokee also made the list. Loses 50% its value in the 1st year.
:giggle: Somebody here recently said
"Nobody refuses to buy a TS so they can save money and increase their wealth."
Same person then went on to (um?) "explain" that
"Nobody refuses to buy a luxury car so they can save money and increase their wealth."

metaphysically-speaking, is refusing to LOSE MONEY the same as INCREASING WEALTH?
 
I thought cars lost a high percentage, but we just traded in a 10 year old Mazda CX-5 and got 50% of the original sticker price.
 
I thought cars lost a high percentage, but we just traded in a 10 year old Mazda CX-5 and got 50% of the original sticker price.
The market for quality used cars is strong. New cars have inflated in price so much since the pandemic they have also inflated the price of good used cars.
 
Dinner out tonight did as soon as I ate it. :D

I plan to buy a $1,300 IKON ski pass for the 2025/26 season and use it to ski the end of this ski season. The moment I first cross a lift gate a day after purchasing the season pass (day 0+1), the only value will be for the usage during the rest of this season and next ski season -- no refunds, just like a timeshare out of the rescission period.
I alternate between an Ikon or Epic pass each year, but nobody at Vail or Alterra has ever told me it was an investment, unlike our friends in the Timsehare development community.
 
I alternate between an Ikon or Epic pass each year, but nobody at Vail or Alterra has ever told me it was an investment, unlike our friends in the Timsehare development community.
FWIW...A key difference is that you don't pay an upfront fee to "own" the ski area and have zero obligation to buy another pass the following year. Ski passes are akin to paying an annual rental agreement on an apartment and you don't use it (e.g. travel) during the month. You still need to pay the rent to keep it whether you choose to use it. You are renting fractional use of the ski area for the year.
 
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Timeshares when bought at the developer are the primest example in my book.
 
Have anyone email this information to our friends at ARDA? LOL
 

not a flattering article for the industry, but the message is still an important one!
A couple of thoughts:

  • Congrats @TUGBrian for the placement, messaging and visibility. Well done!
    • Related: I particularly like your comment about how it could be more than 100% with the fees paid to get out from the TS.
  • ARDA won't be interested in this.
    • The TS segment in the article is really Brian's statement and is directly tagged to TUG.
    • If the article was a broader sourced discussion of "depreciation" (I like @WaikikiFirst 's commentary on mark-to-market), perhaps it could be of interest, but there is nothing in the article ARDA isn't already very well aware. Of course, they know this is the reality of retail TS sales.
    • Though I do appreciate the opportunity to remind them of the situation
 
I have been a business appraiser for 35 years. There is a large discount for lack of marketable and due to distressed sales in the resale market fior many fractional investment interests when there is no formal public market and limited information. So, it is not surprising that timeshare units would lose a lot of value immediately after retail purchase. However, timeshare are a good example of an overstimulated and, thus, overpriced retail market and depressed and inefficient resale market.

The issue with timeshare interests is that they are rarely intrinsically worth what you pay for them when buying retail in a sales presentation. Often 50% or more of what you pay is the cost of sales and marketing and associated overhead. Only about 20% to 25% if that is in the cost value of the pro rata share of the unit.
If this were an efficient and informed market, timeshare interests would lose about half their value after purchase due to limited information and markets for timeshares. But, right now and really since 2008, we see many timeshare interests losing nearly all of their value even without resale retrictions because the maintenance fees of developers are often too high, buyers overpay during sales presentations, and the resale market is depressed and not efficient due to subsequent distressed sales and buyers' remorse.

The resale market is more of a distressed sale market, where discounts are standard and expected. That is true even when the owners own the units and now control the resort, which is seen less often and found more in smaller or older resorts.

Perhaps the worst, HICV points without deeds are largely worthless in resale due to restrictions on transfer and high annual maintenance fees, which have grown far faster than inflation.

In the 1990s, it was not uncommon for the quality and better known timeshares to be worth 25% or more of the retail selling price for "red" weeks at desired and less oversold destinations. Units with points sold for more due to greater flexibility of points and fungibility but still at a steep discount. Still, many even "red" week timeshare units sold at 10% to 15% of retail and white or blue weeks often were sold for nominal amounts or zero, even though in theory they all had a greater intrinsic value. That was when I bought my 2 units after finding TUG and doing reserach, after rescinding a retail purchass. That discount from intrinsic value was due to market inefficiency, distressed sales, and lack of generated resale demand relative to retail promotion.
 
Timeshares need not be that depressed. Some fractional interest and whole unit condo real estate sells at far less of a discount from initial pricing sales because the developer selling and marketing costs are far less and overpricing is less present. If you buy well before completion, you can also get a larger discount by effectively providing the financing. The developers sell out according to a plan and ensure that there is a regular real estate market with brokers or with internal rental and marketing programs. Also, the annual fees are transparent and rentals can cover much of the cost of ownership in weeks or periods not in persomal use, even with significant vacancies for parts of the year. As a result, resale discounts off original buying premiums are far less and sometimes di not exist.

In theory, timeshares should be the same, but are not because developers figured out they can make more profits with aggressive marketing, limited information, and with resulting units that are forfeited rather than allowing the HOA managed by owners to both conduct resales after sellout of a unit and control maintenance fees.
 
Are there any other products out there that lose 100% of their value on day 1?
didnt read the article.
assuming this is in reference to timeshare.
I wouldnt say it lost 100% of value day 1.
Id say people overpaid for something that was worth 1$.
thats really not a matter of depreciation.
Would seem more like Additional Paid in Capital if it was a corporate stock.
Overpaying for something that is worth less.
They can only do this due to lack of knowledge before the purchase.
Once day when TUG gets a billboard in Orlando or Vegas that promotes buying resale or rescinding id like to see how the stats change.
All the news stories promote horror stories of people after the fact instead of getting ahead of the curve at the start of travel season to just promote right of recission or resale market.
 
But, right now and really since 2008, we see many timeshare interests losing nearly all of their value even without resale retrictions because the maintenance fees of developers are often too high...
For one thing, technically, it's not "the maintenance fees of developers [that] are often too high". The developer doesn't set the MFs. It's the HOA. That little technicality aside, yes the high MFs, when they exceed what can easily be recovered via rental, generally makes these TSs worthless and sometimes worth less than zero.
 
didnt read the article.
assuming this is in reference to timeshare.
I wouldnt say it lost 100% of value day 1.
Id say people overpaid for something that was worth 1$.
But couldn't the same be said of most any retail product? Like the $1000 iPhone that can be bought for $700 on the aftermarket? I guess a difference here is that the $700 iPhone is truly used where there really isn't such thing as a new or used timeshare since all timeshares are used (unless you happen to be the very first person to check into a unit).
 
But couldn't the same be said of most any retail product? Like the $1000 iPhone that can be bought for $700 on the aftermarket? I guess a difference here is that the $700 iPhone is truly used where there really isn't such thing as a new or used timeshare since all timeshares are used (unless you happen to be the very first person to check into a unit).
right. and another measure of FMV for reference is wholesale cost.
retail products are marked up so someone is overpaying because they didnt get the wholesale or manufacturing price.
I know alot of people who have owned and let go of their timeshares over the years.
Most because they just didnt know how to use them.
IMO exchange companies is where the real value of timeshare lies.
Especially for people who can travel more often.
I Wonder if the reputation of timeshare will ever change enough to increase resale values.
As more people work remote, younger people prioritize travel.
Or the learning curve flattens. I also hear a lot of people say they dont have time nor care to learn all of the ins and outs.
 
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