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Permanent swap question?

potchak

potchak

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How does Marriott handle these? Someone has approached me with an interesting offer, but don't want to lose the fact that we bought directly from Marriott.

The offer is 2bd lockout Aruba Gold ey Gardenview for my eey waiohai 2bd plat. It is an intriguing offer to me since we moved back to the east coast so Aruba would be more doable than Hawaii.

Does anyone know if what kind of points you get for Aruba Surf 2bd gold if you trade for points? Do you get AC's when you deposit gold units if you get a summer week? How bout AC's if you lock it out? Does Marriott charge you fees to do the switch over?

Hubby seems totally against this, but it seems interesting to me. He believes that Hawaii is hard to get into whereas Aruba isn't as difficult so it can't possibly trade as well. He never sees the Waiohai available for instant confirmation but always sees Aruba out there (when he looks), so this is his basis.

Appreciate the help!
 
Swap

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Swapping is an interesting concept, and unless Marriott were somehow directly involved then I believe it would be considered a "private sale" transaction and you would lose all your abilities to receive points in lieu of use.

Maybe Marriott will allow your points to continue for a small upfront transaction fee, but I doubt it.

You should contact Marriott directly for an accurate answer to your question, and make sure they do it in writing.

Let everyone know how you make out.


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Surf Club Aruba GV Gold points 75,000, Plat is 90,00.

Gold Surf gets an AC if reserving End of May - August 31, Sept is low time and then things start up again in October (AC) - November (AC) is extremely popular - if u want to trade in easily, you have to do it 1 year ahead.
 
Look at your deed. I believe that you can only transfer membership to spouse/children and still maintain the point priviledge. So unless you addopt them and they adopt you :D

I would consider your transaction a private sale. So look at what each is going for in the resale market for valuation.
 
seatrout said:
Look at your deed. I believe that you can only transfer membership to spouse/children and still maintain the point priviledge. So unless you addopt them and they adopt you :D

I would consider your transaction a private sale. So look at what each is going for in the resale market for valuation.
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Great advice - Marriott price for GV Gold is about 20K - so 50-60% of that????
What is the developer price for your EOY Hawaii?
 
if it is a far trade money wise, would you go to Aruba more than Hawaii now you are on the East Coast? It would give you the ability to go to Aruba, a wonderful place, every year or trade it, plus lock it off. Trade value may not be as strong as Hawaii but I cant see it being that much weaker. It is like getting 4 weeks for the price of one. I also think you should check on the transfer issue, but I would guess it would be a resale. Assuming you would lose the points, but are the points worth it to you? Plus, aren't the MF's in Hawaii high?
 
I own Aruba gold and get wonderful trades with it. The MF are just under $1000. I would imagine MF wise you would break close to even considering the ey to eoy deal.

My guess is also that a swap would lose the MR points ... that is not that much of a loss considering your new location. Hawaii is about 11 hours from the East coast and Aruba is about 4. Big difference. I think it is a good deal, IMHO.

Enjoy. :banana:

Beverley
 
Just swap weeks?

potchak said:
Someone has approached me with an interesting offer, but don't want to lose the fact that we bought directly from Marriott.
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Is this "someone" a good or close friend? Why dont you just swap weeks when needed? This way neither of the two party's lose their privileges.

Just my two cents.
 
Antny said:
Is this "someone" a good or close friend? Why dont you just swap weeks when needed? This way neither of the two party's lose their privileges.

Just my two cents.
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Is swapping weeks on a year to year basis with another private party allowed? I always thought that II or another exchange company was the only way to go?

I have a 3 BR OV at the Surf Club and live in SoCal. With the current price of airfares, it is now cheaper to fly to Hawaii when it is usually around the same price as Aruba airfare from the West Coast. I would love to swap just for the one year with another Marriott Hawaiian owner. Would this kind of deal be something that could be accomplished via a TUB classified ad or something? I would love to get the trade I want, when I want and not have any money trade hands or have to pay an exchange company if possible...

Is this kind of trade doable and if so, how would you go around finding out who wants to swap??? :confused:
 
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Owner exchange

ajlm33 said:
Is swapping weeks on a year to year basis with another private party allowed?
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I dont see why it would'nt be allowed. I've rented my week out to someone without the use of II. I just called Marriott and added the person's name to my reservation. With II, you could make your exchange and purchase a guest certificate. I seem to recall a forum on TUG that addressed Owner to Owner trades. Try http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12.
 
Michelle

I saw you name on the email list. She sent the same email to me. She then stated that she owns even years at Westin Ka' anapali (but she spelled it differently) as well and offered to help me get an '09 2BR Maui week.
She may be legit, just be careful. :eek:




My husband and I have retired full time to Hawaii's Big Island. We are looking to swap our every year Aruba Surf, Gold Season, Garden View, 2 bed-room lockoff for an Odd Year at your Kawaii Marriott. We have several other Marriott and Westin timeshares and we just would prefer to go to Kawaii every other year that to figure out what to do with Aruba since we don't live in that part of the country any longer.

I thought that it would not hurt to ask if anyone had any interest in pursuing this idea?

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Consider this as a private sale with title company handing the deed transfer on both end. Thus the title company will handle the swap and verification anyway.

I would go to red week or someplace similar and look at the lowest resale price of each property and see if the swap is fair. Then you can consider who will pay the closing cost.

I think it is too much hassel to do a year to year swap unless it is your best friend/relative-- even then-- because you have to do the reservation and pay the maintenance bill things. I think if you don't want something- just sell it and buy something else.
 
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The person that contacted me was through ownertrades so swapping every year is not a good option.

It is intriguing to me basically because we did move back to the east coast, but hubby has sentimental attachment to Waiohai. He basically says that he hasn't seen any other timeshare as beautiful (we've been to Old Key west in Fl, Timberlodge in tahoe, and Manor club in Williamsburg as well as the Waiohai). I have to agree with him that it does seem to be the most beautiful one we have seen, but to get an EY for our EOY and a 2bd lockout so we could potentially offset our MF's with a rental of the studio. We would increase our MF's by $400/yr, but have the possibility of 2 weeks additional every year with the new lockout feature. Of course, this would give us potential 5 weeks (plus 3 more for ACs) on Even years, and 7 potential weeks (plus 4 for AC's) on odd years. Do we really need that much vacation? Can we afford that much vacation after paying $3200/yr in MF's?

Does anyone know if the 1bds get AC's for gold season in Aruba? or is it only the 2bd?

Then of course there are the recent horror stories I have heard about Surf Club that makes me worry.

I guess I am really torn on this one. The difference in price is pretty small, but the maintenance fee difference is bigger at $400/yr. She was going to contact Marriott about this possibility, I guess we will wait and see what they come back with. I guess I will have to weigh the pros and cons.
 
After awhile-- doing the math give you a headache.

I can tell you this: I would consider trading a ski week for Waiohai but would never consider trading it for a gold week in Aruba.

If they give you and AC for the 1BR, then they will give you one for the 2BR
 
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potchak said:
Does anyone know if the 1bds get AC's for gold season in Aruba? or is it only the 2bd?
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I got an AC for the 2bd section of my gold Surf Club for 2008 but nothing for the lockoff portion of my 3bd, even though this lockoff is larger than the standard lockoff. Maybe it has to do with the lockoff view (island not OV)?
 
II never gives AC for lock-offs, only for 1BR or larger units.

As for the SC itself- people love to bash it, while many, many owners love it. Like everything in life, I guess, their are proponents and opponents. It is a large resort and there are a lot of guests. That said, IMHO, it is extremely well run, the location is great on the beach, the views are gorgeous, the accommodations terrific, the pool is really great and the grounds are lovely.

Even in peak season I didn't have a problem getting a lounge by the pool and I understand that palapas were readily available all week during Christmas week, with the caveat that being right up front wasn't essential. If it is then, yes, you'll have to get down early to reserve one. Surprise, surprise...just about every other resort on Palm Beach (and many other vacation destinations) share the same issues. The SC has worked hard to get its guests the shade they desire by getting lots of the bimini chaises, which are very effective. But- the trade-off is that they may partially block your view while lying on the beach. Depends upon what is important to you.

We love it and I know many other people who do also. That's why it gets such high rental rates and has such high trade power. From the East coast, it is a much, much easier trip. I'm not knocking Hawaii, don't get me wrong, but that trip can get tiresome.
 
I agree that the trip to Hawaii can be gruesome from the East coast, which is why this particular permanent trade interests me.

Does anyone know if there are servers on the beach for drinks and whatnot? I have never been there, but love when I can just sit there and have someone serve me! :)

As for palapas and beach chairs, my preference is shade first, proximity to the water second.

I have seen the photos and the place looks beautiful. I am just wondering what some of the other pros and cons of this deal might be. Am I missing anything that some surf club owners might be able to tell me?

Am I correct in assuming that high end weeks in gold season (Summer and some in Oct and Nov) get AC's for the 1bd section?

How is the Gardenview location at Surf club? Is it decent? I know Island View in Waiohai is spectacular if you can get the internal gardens, not so sure at Surf Club.

Seatrout,
One of the things that makes me debate this is because I would be trading and EEY Waiohai for an EY Aruba.

Appreciate all the help everyone!
 
I been to both and like both for difference reason.
Waiohai-- however just make me more relaxed.

I believe that they are all ocean view (SC) the way the building sit-- Kind of like Ocean Pointe.

As to trading into-- it is quite hard to trade into Waiohai while fairly straightforward into a gold week in Aruba.

I know you are trying to compare EOY vs EY but doing the math will give you a headache after a while. I just buy where you like to go every few years.--Then do the math later. You probably spend the difference in food anyway.
renting is an option but personally, I rather not have to deal with it.
 
potchak said:
How is the Gardenview location at Surf club? Is it decent? I know Island View in Waiohai is spectacular if you can get the internal gardens, not so sure at Surf Club.

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I think you will be disappointed with the Garden View if you plan to use rather than trade. SC has 4 views, Oceanfront, Oceanside, Oceanview and Gardenview. We own oceanside and love to relax on the balcony watching the wind and kite surfers in the early mornings and/or late afternoons. If you'll PM me with your e-mail address I can send you a JPEG file with color coding of the various views in 4 buildings.

Interestingly, we live on the West Coast, but prefer Aruba to Hawaii! One of the reasons is that when in Aruba, we are forced to really relax as there is absolutely nothing to do! It took less than a day to sightsee the island. Each year, one 1/2 day is devoted to jewelry shopping; other than that, it's either snorkeling or just relaxing on the beach under a palapa and vegging. Like you, our preference is shade...I don't particularly care if we get front row palapas or not. Go every May for two weeks love it.

Ingrid
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Some of the GV rooms, esp. in the new building and some in the Compass tower, have beautiful poolside views. The ones facing North on the lower floors of the Compass tower have ehh views.

There are people coming around on the beach taking bar/food orders.

Interesting comment about which property is preferred above. While I love the beauty of Hawaii, my family preferred Aruba because of the trade winds. Sitting out on the beach is delightful. The temperature is the same, more or less, as Hawaii, but the cooling breeze makes it very comfortable. Honestly, if the trip was the same (which it isn't for us) I would choose Hawaii, but my family wouldn't.
 
Interesting decision (I would probably do it now that you are on the East Coast).

My main question is would Marriott allow this pass thru ROFR? If they wanted to exercise ROFR, what would they give you? Is there anything in your contract which says sales can only be cash?
 
Yes, Marriott will allow it. There is nothing in the CC&Rs that requires sales to be for cash.

However, don't get any ideas about trying to circumvent ROFR in other situations by using non-cash (e.g., a fresh-baked apple pie) as partial payment. As CMF accurately demonstrated here with a court case last year, proposing a transaction that appears to be designed to avoid ROFR can get you in trouble!
 
Keep in mind we are not trying to circumvent the process, just make a permanent change since both seem to work well for each other. Her family moved out to the big island so travelling to Aruba is difficult, just like Hawaii is now difficult for us.

She is checking with a source at Marriott to find out if Marriott would allow it. She seems to only be interested if we can keep our ability to trade for points as well.

I am still very torn on the decision and am still writing up pros and cons. Just not sure what to do. Any other thoughts?
 
gold season AC

Does anyone know if the 1bds get AC's for gold season in Aruba? or is it only the 2bd?

I just checked our gold season 1 bedroom at the Aruba Ocean Club (Sept 19 or Sept 26) and they both qualify for an AC. I would guess the Surf Club would be the same.
 
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