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Paying with Paypal

Again: The difference between buyer and seller is that the buyer is the one with the demand. Anyone who wants to buy stuff from me is going to do so in such a way that the smallest amount possible goes to middlemen.

No. Absolutely not. I'm not sending goods without payment. I already have plenty of customers who aren't difficult. So I have no incentive whatsoever to deal with customers who want to make me jump through hoops before the sale is even made.

When I buy things, I pay in advance. When I sell things, the buyer pays in advance. That's how it works.
So the trust only goes one way. I think that answers @shakalaka question. You want F&F payment to save you money and only when so it helps you.
 
So the trust only goes one way. That answers @shakalaka question. You want F&F payment to save you money and only when so it helps you.

Not true. I pay with F&F regularly. When I buy things, I *also* want as little money as possible to go to middlemen.

The average consumer, apparently, is too timid to follow suit. It's a short-term rental. Not birth control. What's the worst that can happen?
 
Not trying to pick a fight with you, just providing you a different perspective.

My point is not about the middlepersons, it is about trust. You made the point that the buyers should trust the seller and use a service for which they have no recourse if the seller does not perform, but you seem to be short on the same trust the other way and are providing explanations about like the buyer is in an inferior position compared to seller (they are at equal footing unless you have a rare item to sell), or that they are too timid, or whatever.

With a short-term rental the worst that could happen is they are out of a place to stay when they get there, and may not be able to get an alternative accommodation, or one within their budget, so they are out of the money paid originally plus whatever the "in-the-moment" charges you pay for the alternative arrangement. Not everyone has an infinite budget.

Going back to middlemen -- While I think paypal is wrong in charging the same fees regardless of whether the payor uses ACH or credit card, it is providing a financial service, and needs to be compensated, and as such is not a middleman like, say AirBNB (which again claims to provide a service of connecting renters to owners), not unlike how a short-term rental owner is a middleman between the person who prepared the land, got the building materials and built up the resorts, if mean if you built up the resort by your own, I apologize, otherwise you too are a middleman/woman with a lot of money to hoard up the service that someone wants.

By misusing F&F for business purposes, you are potentially causing paypal to, in future, drop the free service when it sees the service is misused. If you want to cut the middlemen, why not pay with a check or even hard cash, or use zelle if you want electronic payments.

Again not trying to antagonize you, just providing an alternative view.
 
Again not trying to antagonize you, just providing an alternative view.

And I allowed in my first post that it is entirely possible that someone follows my advice, pays F&F and gets ripped off tomorrow.

But this is how I have operated for years. Never an issue. Not even a concern that there might be an issue. Just hundreds and hundreds of solid transactions.

I have more problems with big companies overcharging/over promising/not delivering/oh-that-isn't-our-policy issues. It's never the small timer.

And I put my money where my mouth is, several times each month. I need things here on the farm. And the things I need are often strange and rather hard to get. So I do a lot of paypal transactions with total strangers. I'll F&F pay them without any concern at all. Hell, I'd F&F pay YOU without any concern at all. (Got any rare vinyl records for sale? I can prove it.)

It simply isn't an issue. Most people just want to sell their thing and move on with life.
 
Paypal takes a 2.9% credit card fee from the proceeds as mentioned above. I put this in my rental agreement, if you choose to use a CC you pay. Also paypal takes about 3% when the money is sent using business not F&F. I build this into my rental price. When questioned, kind of a simple answer, if you want the full services/advantages of brand X...pay the rack price...about 55% to 45% higher, and you get better cancellation terms too.
Asking for credit card fees after the fact, is a lesson that the seller should learn and absorb if not disclosed.
 
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