Parent's worst nightmare [Gabby Petito disappearance]

[VacationForever]

I must of missed somewhere what happened in Wyoming with the police and the couple.....

I believe his parents were aware of Brian's abuse, they lived in same house before the trip

My bad. Utah it was.

 

[Patri]

As has been pointed out, these are the calls that cops like the least, so why not send someone who is trained to evaluate and handle them as their specialty?

Uh, because domestic abuse calls, even in the wilderness, are among the most dangerous to respond to.

 

[MULTIZ321]

The timeline of Brian Laundrie's disappearance still doesn't jibe among authorities and his family's lawyer.

The timeline of Brian Laundrie's disappearance still doesn't jibe among authorities and his family's lawyer | CNN

Now that the remains of Brian Laundrie have been positively identified by authorities, there are still lingering questions as to why, how and even when he disappeared in the days after his fiancée, Gabby Petito, was reported missing.

www.cnn.com

Richard

 

[CO skier]

If the Utah or Wyoming law enforcement people had been more vigilant, there's a chance both these young people would still be alive and their lives could have been redirected to a positive outcome.

On Monday morning, "everyone" knows what plays should have been called.

Utah law enforcement is investigating if the contact with the parties at Moab violated any policies. I will leave it to their good judgement, which I hope is fair and not influenced by a media witch hunt.

Was Wyoming law enforcement aware of these individuals before before the investigation after Laurie returned to Florida?

How, exactly, should the Utah or Wyoming law enforcement "been more vigilant," considering either of these law enforcement agencies encounter hundreds(?) of similar domestic incidents that do not result in homicide? I believe Laurie and Pettito were separated in Moab for a "cooling off" period. I read articles Pettito had a 1.5 hour discussion with a female Arches NP official who recognized the relationship as "toxic." Is it not the right of any US citizen to decide (however wrongly) to continue on with someone who is "toxic?"

It is not like the two parties had a 20-minute, traffic stop interview with law enforcement in Utah and were sent on their way.

 

[SueDonJ]

On Monday morning, "everyone" knows what plays should have been called.

Utah law enforcement is investigating if the contact with the parties at Moab violated any policies. I will leave it to their good judgement, which I hope is fair and not influenced by a media witch hunt.

Was Wyoming law enforcement aware of these individuals before before the investigation after Laurie returned to Florida?

How, exactly, should the Utah or Wyoming law enforcement "been more vigilant," considering either of these law enforcement agencies encounter hundreds(?) of similar domestic incidents that do not result in homicide? I believe Laurie and Pettito were separated in Moab for a "cooling off" period. I read articles Pettito had a 1.5 hour discussion with a female Arches NP official who recognized the relationship as "toxic." Is it not the right of any US citizen to decide (however wrongly) to continue on with someone who is "toxic?"

It is not like the two parties had a 20-minute, traffic stop interview with law enforcement in Utah and were sent on their way.

Do you mean other than when the two were separated by the police and "interviewed," Gabbie was mansplained by an officer that the only appropriate action he knew of to handle his wife's admitted anxiety was to divorce her, while Laundrie was made comfortable in the shade and relaxed enough to have a few laughs?

I get it, domestic violence is a difficult call for any police officers. But it's certainly suspect that they don't respond to those calls with the same, "expect the worst every time" mentality that they bring to, say, the calls of certain someones selling cigarettes on the corner or possibly passing a counterfeit $10 bill.

There's no reason why we shouldn't encourage a policy of including trained social workers on DV calls, not as replacements for the police but alongside the police.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

The entire situation is sad because the Laundrie parents didn't step up to the plate and do the right thing when Brian first arrived home ALONE. Clearly they must have had some type of inkling that something was up OR they knew what he did and tried to hide him from authorities, and encouraged him to take off.


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[VacationForever]

Brian Laundrie's death simplifies everything. Case is close. No arrest, lock-up, trial and the legal system spending lots of taxpayers money.

 

[MdRef]

Do you mean other than when the two were separated by the police and "interviewed," Gabbie was mansplained by an officer that the only appropriate action he knew of to handle his wife's admitted anxiety was to divorce her, while Laundrie was made comfortable in the shade and relaxed enough to have a few laughs?

I get it, domestic violence is a difficult call for any police officers. But it's certainly suspect that they don't respond to those calls with the same, "expect the worst every time" mentality that they bring to, say, the calls of certain someones selling cigarettes on the corner or possibly passing a counterfeit $10 bill.

There's no reason why we shouldn't encourage a policy of including trained social workers on DV calls, not as replacements for the police but alongside the police.

Let me offer some thoughts.

We all have our opinions of what should or should not have been done during this interaction and I respect that. Based solely on my experience in these situations I can assure you that these officers, as they are trained to do, approach any reported domestic call with, as you put it, "expect the worst every time". More officers are injured in the line of duty responding to domestic violence calls than any other type of call.

Once again, based on handleling hundreds of these calls and not being aware of what experience you're basing your opinion on, let me provide some insight. During any domestic call, victims may laugh or joke, but this can be a normal trauma response. They may be quiet, reserved or reluctant to answer questions. They could refuse to even acknowledge that the incident took place. I've had them reject further investigation and even defend the suspect. I've had calls where the victim appeared upset with both the suspect and law enforcement. This may take place if officer(s) have repeatedly responded to the location for prior reports. They may display anger if they feel that the officer(s) are not providing sufficient protection from the suspect, even if an arrest is made, and may verbally or physically attack the officers(s). We know that domestic violence is predicated on some sort of intimate bond and the victim may choose to protect the individual because they still care about the person.

The public needs to understand that an arrest can only be made when probable cause exists and when arrest is authorized by law. Did the officers believe that probable cause under current state law existed? My guess, and yes, it's only a guess, is no. I'm not familiar with the laws of arrest in that state and don't pretend to be.

As for including trained social workers on DV calls, it’s definitely a good option to explore. However, attempting to do social work while a police officer hovers nearby could not only be counterproductive, it could also be emotionally violent. You also have the ever-present risk of physical harm. Police can heighten anxiety and make it harder for social workers to do already challenging work. The tension and danger in these situations can go from zero to 60 really quick and a crisis worker may not be comfortable with that. You also have an extra person that the police officer(s) must watch over and try to keep out of danger.

I'm no expert in domestic violence. I can only offer what my experience has been being in the middle of these calls.

 

[MULTIZ321]

More questions arise after remains of Brian
Laundrie found.

More questions arise after remains of Brian Laundrie found

The search for Brian Laundrie is over and the nature reserve where he was discovered is now open. The FBI says dental records confirm his identity, but more information is needed to determine how he died.

www.nbcnews.com

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Richard

 

[davidvel]

77-36-2.2. Powers and duties of law enforcement officers to arrest -- Reports of domestic violence cases -- Reports of parties' marital status.

(1)	The primary duty of law enforcement officers responding to a domestic violence call is to protect the victim and enforce the law.

(2)

(a) In addition to the arrest powers described in Section 77-7-2, when a peace officer responds to a domestic violence call and has probable cause to believe that an act of domestic violence has been committed, the peace officer shall arrest without a warrant or shall issue a citation to any person that the peace officer has probable cause to believe has committed an act of domestic violence. (b) (i) If the peace officer has probable cause to believe that there will be continued violence against the alleged victim, or if there is evidence that the perpetrator has either recently caused serious bodily injury or used a dangerous weapon in the domestic violence offense, the officer shall arrest and take the alleged perpetrator into custody, and may not utilize the option of issuing a citation under this section. (ii) For purposes of Subsection (2)(b)(i), "serious bodily injury" and "dangerous weapon" mean the same as those terms are defined in Section 76-1-601. (c) If a peace officer does not immediately exercise arrest powers or initiate criminal proceedings by citation or otherwise, the officer shall notify the victim of the right to initiate a criminal proceeding and of the importance of preserving evidence, in accordance with the requirements of Section 77-36-2.1.

(3)

If a law enforcement officer receives complaints of domestic violence from two or more opposing persons, the officer shall evaluate each complaint separately to determine who the predominant aggressor was. If the officer determines that one person was the predominant physical aggressor, the officer need not arrest the other person alleged to have committed domestic violence. In determining who the predominant aggressor was, the officer shall consider: (a) any prior complaints of domestic violence; (b) the relative severity of injuries inflicted on each person; (c) the likelihood of future injury to each of the parties; and (d) whether one of the parties acted in self defense.

(4)	A law enforcement officer may not threaten, suggest, or otherwise indicate the possible arrest of all parties in order to discourage any party's request for intervention by law enforcement.

(5)

(a) A law enforcement officer who does not make an arrest after investigating a complaint of domestic violence, or who arrests two or more parties, shall submit a detailed, written report specifying the grounds for not arresting any party or for arresting both parties. (b) A law enforcement officer who does not make an arrest shall notify the victim of the right to initiate a criminal proceeding and of the importance of preserving evidence.

(6)

(a) A law enforcement officer responding to a complaint of domestic violence shall prepare an incident report that includes the officer's disposition of the case. (b) From January 1, 2009 until December 31, 2013, any law enforcement officer employed by a city of the first or second class responding to a complaint of domestic violence shall also report, either as a part of an incident report or on a separate form, the following information: (i) marital status of each of the parties involved; (ii) social, familial, or legal relationship of the suspect to the victim; and (iii) whether or not an arrest was made. (c) The information obtained in Subsection (6)(b): (i) shall be reported monthly to the department; (ii) shall be reported as numerical data that contains no personal identifiers; and (iii) is a public record as defined in Section 63G-2-103. (d) The incident report shall be made available to the victim, upon request, at no cost. (e) The law enforcement agency shall forward a copy of the incident report to the appropriate prosecuting attorney within five days after the complaint of domestic violence occurred.

(7)	The department shall compile the information described in Subsections (6)(b) and (c) into a report and present that report to the Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Interim Committee during the 2013 interim, no later than May 31, 2013.

(8)	Each law enforcement agency shall, as soon as practicable, make a written record and maintain records of all incidents of domestic violence reported to it, and shall be identified by a law enforcement agency code for domestic violence.

 

[pedro47]

Also, all those citing of Brain and all the bounty hunters searching were wrong in this case?
True or False?

 

[Bunk]

• Do you think that you would have made an arrest under these circumstances:

Moab, Utah, will investigate police response to Gabby Petito and her fiancé's domestic dispute | CNN

The city of Moab, Utah, said it is launching an investigation into the Moab City Police Department's handling of a dispute between Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie in August several weeks before she was killed.

www.cnn.com

The police interaction began with a call from a witness who saw what he believed to be a concerning incident. In the 911 audio from that day, which was provided by the Grand County Sheriff's Office, the caller told dispatch he wanted to report a domestic dispute involving a couple who drove away in a white van.
"We drove by and the gentleman was slapping the girl," the caller said. "Then we stopped. They ran up and down the sidewalk. He proceeded to hit her, hopped in the car and they drove off."
In a report from Moab police, another witness named Christopher told police he saw the couple arguing over a phone. The witness said that when Laundrie got into the van, Petito appeared to hit him in the arm and then climbed through the driver's side door as if he had locked her out, the report states.
In his police report, Officer Eric Pratt said Petito slapped Laundrie, "who grabbed her face and pushed her back as she pressed upon him and the van."


Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito were involved in an incident in Wyoming restaurant in late August, witnesses say
Police located the van and pulled the couple over after the vehicle exceeded the speed limit, abruptly left its lane and struck a curb, according to the police report. The officer walked up to the passenger side of the vehicle, where a crying Petito told him, "We've just been fighting this morning. Personal issues," according to the body-camera footage.
After interviewing Petito, Laundrie and the witness, the officers describe the incident as an argument that turned into a physical fight involving pushing and scratching.
Laundrie had minor visible scratches on his face and right arm, but "had no fear for his safety" and "did not exhibit any indicators that he may be a victim of 'battered boyfriend syndrome,'" the report notes. "He was assessed to be at low risk of danger or harm as a result of his proximity to his fiance."
Petito, meanwhile, was crying uncontrollably and breathing heavily, the report notes. She is described in the report as being in a "confused and emotional state." Responding Officer Daniel Robbins said Petito had "gone into a manic state" when Laundrie tried to "separate from her so they could both calm their emotions."


Bodycam footage from the Moab Police Department shows them talking with Brian Laundrie, who had several scratches on his face and arm.
In the body camera footage, one officer explains that they consider Petito to be the aggressor and Laundrie to be the victim. No charges were filed, and at officers' suggestion, the couple separated for the night, with Laundrie staying at a hotel and Petito taking the van.
"(B)oth the male and female reported they are in love and engaged to be married and desperately didn't wish to see anyone charged with a crime," officer Eric Pratt writes in the report.

"After evaluating the totality of the circumstances, I do not believe the situation escalated to the level of a domestic assault as much as that of a mental health crisis," officer Daniel Robbins wrote in the report. "I then determined the most appropriate course of action would be to help separate the parties for the night so they could reset their mental states without interference from one another."
Petito and Laundrie agreed with that plan, the report states. They had their own cell phones in case of emergency, the report adds.
The police report also notes that two National Park Service officers responded to the scene. One of the officers, Melissa Hulls, told Deseret News that she spoke with Petito and warned her that her relationship with Laundrie had the markings of a "toxic" one.
"I was imploring with her to reevaluate the relationship, asking her if she was happy in the relationship with him, and basically saying this was an opportunity for her to find another path, to make a change in her life," Hulls told Deseret News.
"This wasn't a good day for anybody," she added. "We thought we were making the right decision when we left them."

• If Brian had been arrested and committed suicide while in custody, how many of you would be blaming the police for making this arrest?

• Is it fair or accurate to blame this on mansplaining? A female supervisor spoke with Gabby for 90 minutes.

Arches park ranger warned Gabby Petito her relationship with Brian Laundrie seemed ‘toxic’

Melissa Hulls, visitor and resource protection supervisor at Arches National Park heard the call come over her radio of a possible domestic assault, stemming from an argument in Moab between Gabby Petito and her fiance, Brian Laundrie.

www.deseret.com

Melissa Hulls can still hear Gabby Petito’s voice.

On Aug. 12, the visitor and resource protection supervisor at Arches National Park, heard a call come over her radio of a possible domestic assault, stemming from an argument in Moab between Petito and her fiance, Brian Laundrie.

Hulls arrived to find the couple pulled over by a Moab police officer inside the park. Knowing that in a domestic violence situation the female usually feels more comfortable talking with another female, she focused on Petito, who at that point was sitting in the back of a police cruiser.

“I can still hear her voice,” Hulls said in an exclusive interview with the Deseret News. “She wasn’t just a face on the milk carton, she was real to me.”

Hulls pictures the sobbing 22-year-old sitting in the back of the cruiser. She knows her mannerisms, just from the roughly hour-and-a half interaction.

“I was probably more candid with her than I should've been,” Hulls recalls, warning Petito that her and Laundrie’s relationship had the markings of a “toxic” one.

“I was imploring with her to reevaluate the relationship, asking her if she was happy in the relationship with him, and basically saying this was an opportunity for her to find another path, to make a change in her life,” she said.

“She had a lot of anxiety about being away from him, I honestly thought if anything was going to change it would be after they got home to Florida.”

In the end, Petito stayed with Laundrie.

“This wasn't a good day for anybody. We thought we were making the right decision when we left them.”

• But it's certainly suspect that they don't respond to those calls with the same, "expect the worst every time" mentality that they bring to, say, the calls of certain someones selling cigarettes on the corner or possibly passing a counterfeit $10 bill.

I don't believe this statement is accurate. In my experience the police treat most domestic violence calls as situations that are potentially unsafe. According to the 2020 National Law Enforcement Officers Fatalities Report, out of the 264 police officers killed in the line of duty in 2020, the second highest cause of death was firearms-related fatalities, where 48 officers were killed in the line of duty – and 7 out of those 48 being officers responding to domestic violence calls. Numerous more have been severely wounded on domestic disturbance calls over recent years.

https://www.genesisshelter.org/first-responder-lethality-on-domestic-violence-calls/

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

Also, all those citing of Brain and all the bounty hunters searching were wrong in this case?
True or False?

At least they got all that FREE publicity which is likely all they really wanted..... Who knows, maybe it will lead to some "paying" jobs down the line.



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[Tia]

Exactly........... had neighbors this was absolutely what happened. Saw it first hand, sickening

Makes me wonder if it was learned behavior from his father.....

 

[MULTIZ321]

Water Bottle Matching One Seen in Gabby Petito's You Tube Video Found by TikToker Near Brian
Laundrie's Remains.

Water Bottle Matching Gabby Petito's Found by TikToker

A water bottle matching the one seen in Gabby Petito's YouTube videos was found near Brian Laundrie's remains by a TikTok user.

www.intouchweekly.com

Richard

 

[davidvel]

Water Bottle Matching One Seen in Gabby Petito's You Tube Video Found by TikToker Near Brian
Laundrie's Remains.

Water Bottle Matching Gabby Petito's Found by TikToker

A water bottle matching the one seen in Gabby Petito's YouTube videos was found near Brian Laundrie's remains by a TikTok user.

www.intouchweekly.com

Richard

Did REI only sell one of these?

 

[MULTIZ321]

Investigators confused Brian Laundrie's mother for him while watching their home, police reportedly acknowledge.

Investigators confused Brian Laundrie's mother for him while watching their home, police reportedly acknowledge | CNN

Investigators in Florida confused Brian Laundrie's mother with her son while they were monitoring the family's home in the days after Laundrie's fiancée, Gabby Petito, was reported missing, a police spokesperson said.

www.cnn.com

Richard

 

[MULTIZ321]

Police Address Rumors That Brian Laundrie's DNA Did Not Match Remains Found in Carlton Reserve.

Police Address Rumors That Brian Laundrie's DNA Did Not Match Remains Found In Carlton Reserve

What really happened?

www.yourtango.com

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Richard

 

[Bunk]

Remains found in California desert identified as Lauren Cho

Cho disappeared near Yucca Valley in late June after walking into the desert with no food, water or phone.

www.nbcnews.com

Cho, 30, was first reported missing at around 5 p.m. on June 28, after friends and others staying at the compound said she departed in a state of agitation with no food, water or phone.
Cause of death is unknown

 

[MULTIZ321]

Brian Laundrie's autopsy, Gabby Petito's killing and
America's domestic abuse reckoning.

Opinion | Brian Laundrie is dead. America's domestic violence reckoning isn't.

The intense media coverage following the deaths of Petito and Laundrie has focused attention on what can only be called an ongoing epidemic of violence and abuse.

www.nbcnews.com

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Richard

 

[Bunk]

14 year old girl is missing almost 30 days
East Orange, New Jersey

 

[Bunk]

Mother arrested: Claim of New Jersey girl's abduction seems to be a hoax
Daughter was a runaway

NJ mother arrested on child endangerment charges day after missing teen found safe

EAST ORANGE, N.J. — Jamie Moore, the mother of a New Jersey teen who disappeared and was found Thursday after nearly a month, was arrested Friday, the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office said. T…

pix11.com

 

[Bunk]

Brian Laundrie died of gunshot wound to the head, final autopsy reveals

Brian Laundrie was sought in Gabby Petito’s disappearance and death when authorities discovered his skeletal remains at the Carlton Reserve near his parents’ Florida home.

nypost.com

 

[tombanjo]

I am sure he killed himself knowing that the murderer of his girl friend was still at large, and he could not live since that person brutally took her life and left him inconsolable.

And where exactly did he get a gun ? And, since guns do not float (generally) where is it now ?

 

[MdRef]

And I hope you're being sarcastic.

Brian Laundrie's family surrendered guns to law enforcement on Sept. 17, but one was missing. Care to guess where that one was?

"Steven Bertolino, attorney for the Laundrie family, says Brian Laundrie died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound." Do you think his family would lie about such a thing?

The area he was found was not that far under water, if at all when he was found.

I am sure he killed himself knowing that the murderer of his girl friend was still at large, and he could not live since that person brutally took her life and left him inconsolable.

And where exactly did he get a gun ? And, since guns do not float (generally) where is it now ?