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Our neighborhood is apparently jinxed. So many tragedies over the years....

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Our neighbor across the street died sometime in the last week or two. The cops came to my door this morning to ask when we saw him last. I don't know how old he was, but he was kind of a hermit, and he never shoveled his walks or did anything with his yard, so people rarely saw him outside. He had a Harley and a pickup truck that were both always garaged, and he rarely went anywhere, but we live in the back of our house, so he may have come and gone more often than we knew. He was dead for a good long time, sounds like.

His son moved out a long time ago, he is probably about 20 now. He was kind of a weird kid, always in trouble, and once about four years ago, I saw this boy walk out of his house with a gun, right at the time school let out. I happened to be upstairs curling my hair in front of the window, and here he comes, pointing this gun at his friend's car, laughing crazily, and the car was full of his friends. He climbed into the car and headed toward the elementary school, 1/2 a block down the street. I called 911, and they apprehended the kids in front of the school (impressive in itself). I was worried they were going to shoot some kids, seriously I was. Turned out to be a pellet gun, one of the black handgun types. I was relieved it wasn't what I thought, and the cops were ever so grateful I didn't just let this go, in case they were going to rob a store or something with it. These were not the honor student kids from the local high school in that car.

The boy was charged with some misdemeanor, because pellet and bebe guns are illegal in this city, and there was a rumor circling amongst the neighborhood kids that I was a busybody. OH, WELL, GEE, I ratted on a kid with a gun!! Who cares what a bunch of 12-17 year-old kids think. :rolleyes:

So many recent tragedies in this neighborhood, and even some older ones. One boy who lived diagonally from our door hanged himself when he was a young 20 something, but it was apparently an accident. We knew his parents well, and his little brother was a good friend of our son's.

The young woman who grew up in the house two doors down from us was killed by a gang, because she was hanging out and was pregnant by a known gang member. I guess the opposing gang broke into their apartment and shot them while they were in bed. Her little brother was another good friend of the same son.

The young man who grew up across the street from that girl, a good friend of our oldest son, was killed when he hit a tree with his motorcycle. This was just about two years ago. His dad died, on his motorcycle, on the same road 28 years before, just a few blocks away from where Billy died. Billy usually wore a helmet, but he gave his helmet to his passenger, who walked away from the incident without a scratch. I hate motorcycles, because his mom suffered another terrible loss, as if it was pre-ordained to happen, and Billy left two very young children without a dad. Billy Sr. also left Billy and Kelly without a dad when they were toddlers. Very sad to see the same thing happen to a son that happened to the dad.

My dear, dear friend Jayne, who lived across the street but was a friend for much longer (35 years), died two years ago, December 9th, after she had a severe stomachache. We were in Orlando at the time, and when I came back, several neighbors told me what they could piece together from what they saw. She didn't have a funeral, and her family had her body cremated before any investigation was done. I have always been suspicious of her brother, whom she added to her home's ownership via a Quit Claim deed.

Jayne's son, Travis, was arrested mid-November, seven weeks ago, for killing a 21-year-old in a road rage incident. He pulled out a gun from his console and shot the young man for cutting him off:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_13792736

I babysat for Travis from birth-3 years, while Jayne worked. He was the sweetest baby. He got into trouble from middle school on, and everyone thought he had turned his life around as an adult. He was service manager at one of the big Ford dealers for a long time. Travis was obviously not as rehabilitated as we thought. Too bad his dad wasn't more of a role model and disciplinarian in his life. This could have been a completely different young man, if his dad didn't keep saying, "Boys will be boys," laughing at all of his pranks his entire life. Jayne was disgusted with the behaviors, and she was constantly fighting against her then husband about his "leave it be" attitude.

We have had our share of bad in this neighborhood. We have lived here 30 1/2 years, so maybe this is normal, but I don't think so. :(
 
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Wow Cindy!!! None of that sounds NORMAL to me!! :eek:
 
Have you seen the movie, "Gran Torino" (Clint Eastwood, 2008)?
 
Cindy, I know you meant this differently, but remind me never to move into your neighborhood! ;)

Dave
 
Has your neighborhood changed dramatically from when you first moved in? My parents still live in my childhood home. When I was young, the neighborhood was predominantly families that owned their homes. Now, some 30 years later, the homes are rented because they don't sell; completely different demographic group living there. There is more petty crime occurring, but not the deaths that you describe.

That being said, I hope you still have some enjoyment in living there, despite the tragedies.
 
Many of the neighbors who had these tragedies are original to the neighborhood. Jayne moved into the house across the street to be near me, when the house was about 2 years old. :( We had a wonderful time as neighbors, and I loved her like a sister. We got our first grown up jobs together after high school, and that is how we met. I was devastated I was not there when she died. I loved her son almost as much as I love my own children.

When Travis started acting out in middle school, he was vandalizing our neighbor's house on a regular basis. Our neighbor was the assistant principal at the middle school, and Travis blamed him for all of his problems. The neighbor (he and his wife are good friends of ours and original homeowners, like us) had to put cameras on his house to get the physical evidence of the vandalism, so he could press charges. Travis apologized when he got older. He seemed like he had grown up. I am so sad for Travis, but I don't know if I will go to his trial. I may, but it would be very difficult for me, and I think for him. He is charged with First Degree Murder, and he cannot get out on bail.

All of these tragedies have occurred within 3 houses of ours, basically the four houses across the street, and the one with the gang killing was two doors down. She wasn't killed nearby, she was killed in a bad part of another suburb, where her boyfriend lived.

I knew the gang girl was going to get herself into big trouble someday. She was bullying the little kids in the neighborhood when she was in middle school. She road-blocked the little kids coming home from school, and we are talking kindergartners to third graders. She called them names and threw their backpacks and lunchpails into the street. I knew about this because I had calls from nearby parents (I was the president of the PTA), asking who she was and where she lived. She was really exhibiting issues, and I think she was only 17 or 18 when she was killed. I cannot remember. But I know it was at least 13 years ago. I remember that our son wasn't allowed to go to the funeral, because he had a very important test that day, and the girl's brother was angry that Josh hadn't been there. It took the boy a long time to forgive Josh. The two boys went to different high schools.

The boy who hung himself had some issues with sex. His dad told us he was some kind of sex addict. Oh, brother, this was not a conversation Rick and I wanted to have with a grieving dad, about a kid we knew since he was 7. There were two other boys in this group of 8 houses of his same age, and they were all friends. Anyway, the parents divorced after this tragedy and moved away. Their younger son still comes around to see his family home. He always stops by to see me, and he is still friends with our son, but he has some problems that should have been taken care of through some kind of therapy. He is so introverted and sad. He wasn't like that as a child.

Our neighbors immediately to the East and West of us have had no tragedies, thank heavens, nor have we. All four houses across the street have had something terrible happen.
 
I give you credit. Some people move away from this, escape to other neighborhoods. I really believe that we will encounter more of this; not always sure of the reason.

Maybe you can be a symbol of normalcy(not sure, are you normal? ;) ) amongst those nearby. We never know those of whom we influence....

Keep the faith.
 
Oh my... your neighborhood has had more than it's share seems to me. Sorry to read about your friend Jayne's son, Travis, it has to be real hard.
 
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Oh my... your neighborhood has had more than it's share seems to me. Sorry to read about your friend Jayne's son, Travis, it has to be real hard.

It would have killed Jayne to know how Travis's life has turned so suddenly, in the blink of an eye. I miss her so much. Of all of our mutual friends, I have had the hardest time dealing, but I know it is because her house is directly across the street, and I see it many times per day. It brings a tear to my eye even today.

I keep wondering if Travis has been sitting in jail this entire time. He was not supposed to get out on bail, with a first-degree murder charge. I know if he could go back and do things differently, he certainly would. His dad is struggling with his own finances, I know he lost his business recently. Getting a lawyer for Travis will take everything he owns, I assume.
 
I give you credit. Some people move away from this, escape to other neighborhoods. I really believe that we will encounter more of this; not always sure of the reason.

Maybe you can be a symbol of normalcy(not sure, are you normal? ;) ) amongst those nearby. We never know those of whom we influence....

Keep the faith.

Thanks for the kind words. We have been in this house for over 30 years, and we have pretty much over-improved the place. That kind of makes us abnormal. :) Most of the houses near us have been somewhat improved, but not by the people who now live in them, and not to the extent of ours.

Our kids were all raised here. Our oldest is now 33, and he was 2 1/2 when we moved in. All three of the kids are as attached to their family home as we are. We cannot sell or move. I have literally had bad dreams about moving into a beautiful new home and missing this one. I wake up sad.

This house will finally be paid off in about 7 years. :cheer: We re-financed so many times, and now our 15-year mortgage at 4 3/4% is going to finally be paid off. Yay! No more house payments. The interest hasn't helped us much for a long time.
 
Sorry your street has come to cause you to feel dread and gloom when looking out the windows or driving by the other houses. I hope your position on not moving is correct for you in the long run as the house is only a thing.

In the short run, find a great picture of your friend Jayne and frame it so you see it coming in from the car (even if it is in the garage or on the porch). Paint a wall or install a shade of Jayne's favorite color near or around the window where you mostly see her house. I think you are still mourning her sudden passing.
 
This probably isn't an anomaly, it's probably just due to the fact that you have lived in the same house for 30 years. So while you have remained constant, :) the world outside your doors has changed from 30 years ago.

My parents still live in the house I grew up in. They have lived there since 1962, and I can assure you, that their neighborhood has changed considerably since I was a kid growing up in that house and neighborhood.

What I find interesting in your post is that you are aware and perceptive of these changes and sensitive to them. To me that shows you are a good neighbor and a positive influence in your neighborhood. :)
 
Seems perfectly normal to me. What you described over a thirty year period happened pretty much every year in my old neighborhood. In one particularly busy year a good friend of mind stabbed his mother, another started a fire lin the school, and an "acquaintance" hung himself in his basement.

Things like you described I would imagine happen almost everywhere over an extended period of time. It is the human condition.
 
I cannot imagine being in a neighborhood where that many things happen in a year. There have been too many deaths of young people in this neighborhood, which seems very abnormal to me. Three of them within 2 houses of ours. It seems high to me.

Now I know of two people personally who have committed 1st degree murder. I cannot believe that at all.
 
I cannot imagine being in a neighborhood where that many things happen in a year. There have been too many deaths of young people in this neighborhood, which seems very abnormal to me. Three of them within 2 houses of ours. It seems high to me.

Now I know of two people personally who have committed 1st degree murder. I cannot believe that at all.

It was hard for me to believe that Charles Campbell grew up in my neighborhood and I was in the same school and grade as him in elementary through high school. Charlie even was a playmate of mine during my elementary and middle school years and he was at my house and I at his on more than one occasion.

Again, as times change and neighborhoods change, events in those community change. While you are very sensitive to these changes, I again don't think that your neighborhood is probably anymore unusual than probably hundreds of neighborhoods and communities in our country.

I am not saying this to argue with your perceptions, because I realize that this experience is very real and valid to you. In fact I appreciate your sensitivity to this whole issue. It is far better in my view to be sensitive to the changes that are occurring around you than oblivious and apathetic to them. :)
 
I am not saying this to argue with your perceptions, because I realize that this experience is very real and valid to you. In fact I appreciate your sensitivity to this whole issue. It is far better in my view to be sensitive to the changes that are occurring around you than oblivious and apathetic to them. :)

I don't think you are minimizing at all. You aren't offending me one little bit, Rick. :)

I am just in shock over the recent death of our neighbor, the most recent incident, and he was younger than we are.

If he hadn't have been so lazy, and he had actually shoveled his walk when it snowed, we might have been alerted that something was wrong. He was healthy enough to ride a Harley, but he wouldn't shovel snow or pull a weed.

His house is the ugly one in the neighborhood that now needs painting and has only rock in the front yard (that isn't even leveled). I hope his lazy kid doesn't move in. The guy just moved in about 7 years ago, so I assume he has a mortgage his son wouldn't be able to handle, so he will sell the house, most likely. I hope whoever buys the house does so after the snow melts for the year, so they know what kind of yard they are getting. His house faces north, and it is his yard is a winter wonderland right now, with more snow falling as I write this.
 
Your not on Elm Street and neither are we. We have had 6 young people in our area die from car accidents to being shot. None died in our area but all were living here when they died. A very good friend drowned in 3 feet of water. A young man went missing in a mountain river and has never been seen again. A young man was t boned at an intersection. My sons friend was shot in the back. This kids brother was shot a year later. What was strange about these kids death was that a hooting hoot owl perched on our roof before each of these two kids died Two neighbors around 50 had heart attacks and died. The one neighbor died in her driveway and three older neighbors stroked out and died.

I guess people come and go and with the age of some of my neighbors, like the 101 year old guy next door, there will be some more going in the upcoming years.
 
Wow - what a horrible situation- I'm so sorry. I guess I've been lucky. Everyone on my block got fake boobs and a divorce.
 
Wow - what a horrible situation- I'm so sorry. I guess I've been lucky. Everyone on my block got fake boobs and a divorce.

If I was a plastic surgeon and or a divorce lawyer I would definitely move to your block!:)
 
The longest we ever lived in one home was 17 years . The only tragedy was our neighbor's ( and friends ) teenage daughter was killed in a car accident. We have lived in 3 different neighborhoods in California and Florida for 7-8 years each and nothing has ever happened. We have also lived in other areas for shorter periods of time. Everywhere we have lived has been pretty nice safe neighborhoods. No problems and the folks keep good care of their homes. We have been away for our homes several times from extended periods ( months at a time ) and nothing ever happened. None of our homes have been in gated neighborhoods.

I would like to think that our experience is more normal.
 
Wow - what a horrible situation- I'm so sorry. I guess I've been lucky. Everyone on my block got fake boobs and a divorce.

We have alot of fake boobs in our sub division too. Its funny that when a person gets these new boobs they want to show them off. Its even funnier when your asked to feel them.:rolleyes: HONK HONK. :D They were off limits last year !!! Now you have to comment on how nice the boobs look ??? :D What can you say ? Nice rack !? Strange.
 
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