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Oregon passes law that suspends math, reading proficiency requirements for HS graduates

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then what exactly do they go to school for the sports and socialization???
 
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then what exactly do they go to school for the sports and socialization???
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I think so. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic are out, apparently.
 
What are the core curriculum classes for graduation? What colleges or universities can they be amitted to without the proper English and mathematics courses?

Will these students still be required to take the SAT & ACT to be admitted to colleges or universities in the state of Oregon?
 
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How do they read & type their texts, if they can't read or write?
 
The article says the bill was intended to "help" those students, mainly indigenous, black, Asian, and Hispanic that are struggling with these subjects. Really?? As an outsider, on the face of it, I find these statements by a state leader as incredibly misguided.

First, that seems to be a highly presumptive and broad-brushed statement, potentially bordering on racist. Are there no white students from less-advantaged areas having the same issues? Second, I don't have detailed knowledge about what the situation is in the USA, but Asian students here, as a particular example, often tend to be at the top of their classes in many subjects, especially maths and sciences. If a student is struggling with second-language issues, they are provided with extra instruction to help them get up-to-speed. :doh: :shrug:

For those of whatever race, colour, or background, why don't they deal with the problem, rather than the symptoms? Provide additional help, resources and instruction for those that are having issues with the curriculum. That would maximize the human capital potential for the country, rather than just allowing it to be dumbed down. :crash: (n)(n)(n)
 
It’s only for 3yrs so hopefully changes will be made.
 
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Facts are: HS kids still need to pass the required math, reading and writing HS classes/curriculum to graduate.
They realized their standardized testing was flawed and didn't adequately/correctly test knowledge of these subjects.
Rather than making slews of kids repeat HS grades (at taxpayer expense) due to a flawed standardized test, they simply paused/stopped this test for 3 years, so they can reevaluate/develop a more accurate test.

Anyone with High school kids in public school districts knows that these "standardized tests" are often full of flaws (and frankly they seem to be written by monkeys with bad grammar and flawed logic most of the time)
 
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Funny how certain right wing "media" sources jumped on this with an inflammatory headline, with total disregard for the actual facts.

Facts are: HS kids still need to pass the required math, reading and writing HS classes/curriculum to graduate.
The Covid pandemic brought to light that their standardized testing was flawed and didn't adequately/correctly test knowledge of these subjects.
Rather than making slews of kids repeat HS grades (at taxpayer expense) due to a flawed standardized test, they simply paused/stopped this test for 3 years, so they can reevaluate/develop a more accurate test.

Anyone with High school kids in public school districts knows that these "standardized tests" are often full of flaws (and frankly they seem to be written by monkeys with bad grammar and flawed logic most of the time)
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Thank you for that additional clarification. That makes some sense. We here are also having to make some unusual exceptions after almost 1.5 years of mostly online, remote instruction. Extraordinary times mean unusual measures in order to ensure that no one is overly disadvantaged!
 
Covid brought inadequate learning situations for who knows how many kids, this is a poor solution imho. Social promotion is all it is, lowering the bar. Maybe they should be offered another year rather then a life time of struggles.
 
I've seen some posts elsewhere ,FB, that I can not read or make much sense of . Suppose their friends may get it...

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How do they read & type their texts, if they can't read or write?
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We have already been down this road in California: It doesn't mean students don't have to take and pass all of the classes required for graduation: it means that they don't have to pass a completely separate standardized test. Why is this a good policy? Because disabled students and English language learners were passing all of their required classes, and then not being allowed to graduate, because this population does not do well on standardized testing.
 
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My kids went to a Private (Christian) School in Texas. My recollection is that they were exempt from taking the State wide standardized tests...

George
 
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I am grateful for the standardized tests that Massachusetts had when my kids were young. My daughter was flying through math in elementary school and she was in a "new" math curriculum. This curriculum had good intentions but it was crazy. It kept on "spiraling" back to the concept, it didn't matter if they got them at first or not, taught them six ways from Sunday for each concept except the old fashioned methods. This method wasn't for her, while it was OK her brother. (Not great, but OK.)

She had to take a standardized test in 5th grade. She bombed it. Totally behind what she should have for completing 4th grade. The school said there was nothing they could do. Well, there was something "I" could do, get her a supplemental learning program on the computer that they were using in the local charter school. (My daughter was in the public school.) I made her do it in 6th grade. It caught her up by doing "old fashioned" math, testing her continuously so it kept going over concepts until she got them. And she needed those concepts to move on. At the end of the whole thing, she went into advanced math in 7th grade.

It turned out that the new curriculum was so bad for most kids, that they had remedial math classes for almost every student. They had to give up their elective to try to fix things which they probably never did.

The only kids who got ahead from that debacle were kids whose parents paid attention and had the means and the will to fix it. Remember the curriculum didn't teach the old-fashioned method? EVERY kid in the high math class in 7th grade used the old-fashioned way to multiply and divide. EVERY kid in high math had parents who saw and took action.

How horrible for the kids with parents who thought that educators must know best, or just didn't know what to do, or didn't have money to pay for tutors?

No WAY was I going to let my daughter think she was bad at math because of a curriculum.

Without these math tests, I would never have known and intervened. Who watches what happens in the school without standardized tests?

Of course, since then, they have changed our standardized tests in MA to a much lower level. The initial standardized tests were created by profs from the finest schools in MA. Gone.

Parents, watch your kids like a hawk. Grandparents, pay for aleks.com and at least have the program do an assessment of where you grandchildren are. I worked in software development, and while it has been years since my kids used this, it was fabulous back then.

My daughter would have thought she was dumb, and these poor kids (and their parents) will never know what they don't know and get the chance to master a subject.
 
Most states have already gotten rid of the standardized test requirement for graduation. My state didn't require it when I was in school, we just had to pass our classes. Did any state require these tests 30-40 years ago? Did any of you guys have to take them? Just curious.
 
Without these math tests, I would never have known and intervened. Who watches what happens in the school without standardized tests?
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That is not the same testing - those grade level subject tests continue. This is one big test that you take your senior year - and you sink or swim. It is well past time for remediation.
 
Yes, so far in MICHIGAN. Hope it continues. My granddaughter is going to kindergarten this fall.
 
We were horrified when we recently read about this issue. This Bill when through the Legislature with no publicity. The Governor did a Private signing. It did not hit the State Web until 2 weeks after she signed it.

This young folks will probably not even qualify to be Hamburger Flippers.
 
Not true - please read my posts above. These tests have little to do with learning.
(I'm a retired teacher.)
 
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That is not the same testing - those grade level subject tests continue. This is one big test that you take your senior year - and you sink or swim. It is well past time for remediation.
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Wish I had that rule for a dissertation defense. That’s a sink or swim situation for sure :D

cheers
 
But when you write your dissertation, you are not a child...
 
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