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Nightmare Experience at Westin Kaanapali Ocean Resort Villas, Quality of Service Down since Mariott Acquisition

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We've been owners for just short of 20 years, haven't been back to Maui since 2019 and we thought it was time to take the family back to Maui. We booked through owner services in February, got our confirmation, looking at the website, points were taken, and dates looked good on our end.

Fast forward to our trip in July, we go to check in and they say they can't find our reservation. They can't find us by confirmation number, or by last name, we're just SOL. They were able to find our next reservation 2 nights later when we move into a 2 bedroom to meet up with my sister-in-law. Luckily, we arrived very early, so when we called owner services in Florida they were still open, they found the reservation, and contacted the KOR manager and allegedly everything was cleared up. This took about 90 minutes. We left the resort for a few hours and returned at 4 for check in...and they still cannot find our reservation. I spent about 2 hours with the front desk getting absolutely nowhere. They cannot call owner services since they close 4 hours before check-in. The front desk can't give us a room because Mariott is very strict with giving out rooms, since I don't want to camp on the beach with my wife and a 4- and 7-year-old, I am told by the front desk to buy another night.

The following morning, I go down to the front desk and talk to the actual manager, she is able to find the reservation pretty quickly, she said the reservation was changed in their system back in February....the day we made the reservation. Owner services system shows the correct dates, KOR's system shows a date several weeks earlier that we were obviously a "no-show" for. To cover the 2nd night the resort uses more points so we have a place to stay until we move into 2-bedroom reservation. After talking with owner services, they basically say that KOR thinks that owner services and I are somehow trying to steal a reservation, and they are pointing fingers at each other... and we are caught in the middle wasting our precious vacation time.

Once we got into the 2-bedroom we were fine, trying to recover from the infuriating experience of the previous 2 days, but still pretty annoyed.

So moving on, and aside from the venting, I want to ask if other long-time owners have seen the quality that we expect (and were sold) of the Westin, to be seriously degraded:
  1. I remember when being an owner meant something more than a regular hotel guest. Over the many hours being at the front desk I saw a regular hotel guest complain that their refrigerator was noisy, and they were given a room upgrade, no questions asked. Meanwhile they don't know how to search their own system for my reservation and eventually I'm told to pay another room. Instead of doing what someone in the hospitality industry would do, which is say, "We see that you're owners for a very long time, we can't contact owner services in Florida right now so we'll put you up in a room and we'll figure it out tomorrow when they open, enjoy your stay!"
  2. Cleanliness of rooms/facility. We found dust bunnies and hair on the kitchen tile floor, the bed sheets were torn in the middle. There were trash bags piled up in the hallway to the rooms, as well as piles of trash in the elevator lobby that sat for days. We were on the 5th floor and had cockroaches running around the elevator lobby, the roaches were eventually stepped on and then sat there until later that evening.
  3. Competent/empowered staff. They couldn't find the reservation because they didn't know how to search for it, they couldn't give us a room because they weren't empowered with that option, and they couldn't communicate with owner services because they close 4 hours before check-in starts. On more than one occasion hotel staff were on their phones scrolling tik tok, once when an employee entered the elevator with us to the next floor and then exited, not once acknowledging our existence, just scrolling with audio at full volume.
This trip was very disappointing, we felt unwelcome, at the end we left not feeling like we just had a vacation, and as a family, continuing with ownership is now being reconsidered.
 

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I’m not trying to be insensitive or sassy with these questions:

1) Did you receive an email confirmation from Vistana with your dates and villa type confirmed for the nights in question?
2) Is your Marriott Bonvoy number attached to your ownership, and if so, could you see this reservation in your “My Trips” in the app or website?

I ask these questions because they are the two best ways I know of to be as sure as possible that my accomodations are as desired before we arrive, other than calling the property in advance.
 

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I’m not trying to be insensitive or sassy with these questions:

1) Did you receive an email confirmation from Vistana with your dates and villa type confirmed for the nights in question?
2) Is your Marriott Bonvoy number attached to your ownership, and if so, could you see this reservation in your “My Trips” in the app or website?

I ask these questions because they are the two best ways I know of to be as sure as possible that my accomodations are as desired before we arrive, other than calling the property in advance.

And it is also possible see your reservations on the Vistana website or app.
 

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wow, that is a truly awful experience and Im sorry it happened to you.

no judgement or blame, as one shouldn't have to expect such issues upon check-in....but after years and years of travel I still refuse to make a trip without calling the resort the night before to confirm things are in order for my arrival the next day!

I suggest this to anyone and everyone to this day!
 

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And yes, I too am very sorry that you had to go through this bad experience.
 

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I've also added checking with the resort for confirmation to my trip master checklist
 

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While "stuff happens", this is truly unacceptable. It was an internal issue, they knew that it was an internal issue, yet they made it *your* issue. Absolutely ridiculous. I am not a "compensation" kind of person, but in this case I think that it is justified to ask for something to offset the wringer that you shouldn't have been put through on a vacation. Plus someone needs to be responsible to make sure that they fix the issue in their internal system.

Question for Marriott/Vistana folks- doesn't Marriott/Westin send an prearrival email? I seem to get one from every resort these days. The one and only time that I didn't receive one (from Embarc), sure enough they didn't have me in the system when we arrived. It worked out in the end, but now I call every time to make sure that we are in the system. The prearrival emails do ease my mind a bit, but not enough to skip the call.

I am so sorry that your vacation got off to a stressful start. I hope that you were able to relax once it was settled. But still!! I can't get over their incompetence. They really dropped the ball on this one.
 

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I've also added checking with the resort for confirmation to my trip master checklist
I usually only do this if it isn't a Marriott resort. For Marriott resorts I trust Marriott.com. If I see the reservation there then I consider myself good to go. If it is an II exchange or getaway, then I make sure to add it to Marriott.com and consider myself good to go.

If I don't see or can't find a Marriott or Vistana reservation on Marriott.com, then I work on getting it fixed before departure.

The OP didn't say how they booked, Club Points, StarOptions, HomeOptions, cash, Bonvoy points. I suspect it wasn't the latter two as they were working with Owner Services.
 

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And it is also possible see your reservations on the Vistana website or app.
Also, what confirmation number were they using? The one from Vistana.com or the one emailed to them from the Marriott system? They are different and the resort doesn't have the one from Vistana.com anymore. Also, how common is their last name?

I had one situation once at Sheraton Vistana Villages when we arrived at the guard gate. The guard couldn't find our reservation. They asked if I was staying at Sheraton Vistana Resort instead. I do know the difference. When I went to checkin, the front desk agent couldn't find the reservation either. It took a manager a few tries to find it. I can't remember if it was a StarOption or II reservation. I have a very uncommon name, so they should have been able to easily find it by that.
 

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I’m not trying to be insensitive or sassy with these questions:

1) Did you receive an email confirmation from Vistana with your dates and villa type confirmed for the nights in question?
2) Is your Marriott Bonvoy number attached to your ownership, and if so, could you see this reservation in your “My Trips” in the app or website?

I ask these questions because they are the two best ways I know of to be as sure as possible that my accomodations are as desired before we arrive, other than calling the property in advance.
Yes we were able to pull it up and show them, but they did not see it in their system so they didn’t believe us.
 

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Yes we were able to pull it up and show them, but they did not see it in their system so they didn’t believe us.
Yeah, the part where they accused you of either lying or being in cahoots with owner services is the part that takes the cake. Someone at the property needs a quick sanity check. Does it make sense that you would book a 2 night reservation months before another reservation in a 2 bedroom unit (in cahoots with owner services) - or would you make a back to back reservation to have a longer stay? Which is most likely? This is the kind of thing that would make me relentlessly push back. I don't blame you one bit for being upset.
 

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The OP, did not have a reservation number from the Marriott / Vistana system. Is this relate to the II problem when the Marriott’s reservation number is not been displayed on the Confirmation email letter for Getaway?

I’m only asking a logical question?
 

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I can’t think of anything more distressing then to fly across 2500 miles of ocean to your destination, only to be told that your reservation doesn’t exist and that the property has no real interest in helping you to solve a problem of their own creation. Really unacceptable.
 

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Did you present the 8-digit Marriott confirmation number to the front desk? They have been having trouble looking up Vistana numbers for a long time. When you make a reservation, the first confirmation they send you is usually the 8-digit Marriott number. The 6-digit Vistana reservation should also be listed in your Vistana Acct and the 8-digit number in your Marriott Bonvoy Acct.
 

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I work with IT on lots of projects involving systems and data migration. The most likely cause is a data issue when WKORV converted from the Starwood reservation system to Marriott (MARSHA). I recall having reservations cancelled and receiving new confirmations.

There is still no excuse for the poor customer service.
 
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I'm so sorry you had such an awful experience; this treatment of an owner is completely unacceptable. I do hope you're following up with the General Manager and please do make sure you have BOTH the 6-digit Vistana confirmation number as well as the 8-digit Bonvoy number and attach your Bonvoy account number to the reservation so you get the proper Elite Night Credits for your Vistana stays. I'm not excusing the lack of cleanliness, but I do know that they are having a very hard time hiring enough staff for housekeeping post-pandemic,. In my experience they have responded quickly to any cleaning request we've had. In regards to the cockroaches, imo that's just life in the tropics. I won't tolerate them in my villa, but couldn't care less when I see them outside.
 

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I agree with everyone that the checkin/reservation issues you described are truly unacceptable. Regarding the other issues—maintenance, cleanliness, and service related—unfortunately most properties will never measure up to how they were pre-COVID. There are of course many truly wonderful employees still in the service industry, but the average has gone down significantly. It’s hard to find people willing to work… everyone wants to get rich quick on meme stocks or by “working from home.”
 

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OP, as a 20 year owner this is completely unacceptable. I am sorry to hear about your experience.

We are also owners. Although we didn't have cleanliness issues, we did have a strange front desk situation when we checked in about a year ago. Apparently there was a large party with same last name as ours (name is not that common) and multiple rooms. Someone in this party was placed in our prime OF room that we booked 1 year prior at midnight! So we could not check in.

They couldn't find the party to tell them that they needed to move back to their IV room (they probably thought they hit the jackpot) and had to send housekeeping to clean before we could use it. So we waited by the pool until about 9:30 pm (we had arrived in early afternoon after a long flight so looked forward to a room) and returned to the front desk to inquire. Apparently the room was ready but no one bothered to text us even though they had our info.

They gave us free food at the restaurant for waiting which was nice compensation. I would have been very upset if they made us lose a night because at $3000 MF for a week we didn't want any time wasted.
 
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The front desk people owe this original poster a huge apology. This is ineptitude.
 

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We've been owners for just short of 20 years, haven't been back to Maui since 2019 and we thought it was time to take the family back to Maui. We booked through owner services in February, got our confirmation, looking at the website, points were taken, and dates looked good on our end.

Fast forward to our trip in July, we go to check in and they say they can't find our reservation. They can't find us by confirmation number, or by last name, we're just SOL. They were able to find our next reservation 2 nights later when we move into a 2 bedroom to meet up with my sister-in-law. Luckily, we arrived very early, so when we called owner services in Florida they were still open, they found the reservation, and contacted the KOR manager and allegedly everything was cleared up. This took about 90 minutes. We left the resort for a few hours and returned at 4 for check in...and they still cannot find our reservation. I spent about 2 hours with the front desk getting absolutely nowhere. They cannot call owner services since they close 4 hours before check-in. The front desk can't give us a room because Mariott is very strict with giving out rooms, since I don't want to camp on the beach with my wife and a 4- and 7-year-old, I am told by the front desk to buy another night.

The following morning, I go down to the front desk and talk to the actual manager, she is able to find the reservation pretty quickly, she said the reservation was changed in their system back in February....the day we made the reservation. Owner services system shows the correct dates, KOR's system shows a date several weeks earlier that we were obviously a "no-show" for. To cover the 2nd night the resort uses more points so we have a place to stay until we move into 2-bedroom reservation. After talking with owner services, they basically say that KOR thinks that owner services and I are somehow trying to steal a reservation, and they are pointing fingers at each other... and we are caught in the middle wasting our precious vacation time.

Once we got into the 2-bedroom we were fine, trying to recover from the infuriating experience of the previous 2 days, but still pretty annoyed.

So moving on, and aside from the venting, I want to ask if other long-time owners have seen the quality that we expect (and were sold) of the Westin, to be seriously degraded:
  1. I remember when being an owner meant something more than a regular hotel guest. Over the many hours being at the front desk I saw a regular hotel guest complain that their refrigerator was noisy, and they were given a room upgrade, no questions asked. Meanwhile they don't know how to search their own system for my reservation and eventually I'm told to pay another room. Instead of doing what someone in the hospitality industry would do, which is say, "We see that you're owners for a very long time, we can't contact owner services in Florida right now so we'll put you up in a room and we'll figure it out tomorrow when they open, enjoy your stay!"
  2. Cleanliness of rooms/facility. We found dust bunnies and hair on the kitchen tile floor, the bed sheets were torn in the middle. There were trash bags piled up in the hallway to the rooms, as well as piles of trash in the elevator lobby that sat for days. We were on the 5th floor and had cockroaches running around the elevator lobby, the roaches were eventually stepped on and then sat there until later that evening.
  3. Competent/empowered staff. They couldn't find the reservation because they didn't know how to search for it, they couldn't give us a room because they weren't empowered with that option, and they couldn't communicate with owner services because they close 4 hours before check-in starts. On more than one occasion hotel staff were on their phones scrolling tik tok, once when an employee entered the elevator with us to the next floor and then exited, not once acknowledging our existence, just scrolling with audio at full volume.
This trip was very disappointing, we felt unwelcome, at the end we left not feeling like we just had a vacation, and as a family, continuing with ownership is now being reconsidered.
Currently in Building 4 at WKORV on the 6th floor with ocean view--and a partial view of the parking lot--tried to get building 2 but the only thing they had available on check in was a ground floor and the family vetoed that. The property, though nice overall looks like it's on the border of needing a refresh as some of the areas appear to be a bit long in the tooth.

When we arrived in our room it was clear that from a technology standpoint that there were nowhere near enough plugs to accommodate all of our phones, iPads, computers, WHOOP wearables, etc. And unlike some of the other properties we have stayed in there is no central power bank under the television that allows you to plug in other devices or a fire TV stick. The credenza the tv sits on was so heavy that I had to call engineering to move it a few inches so I could reach behind to the wall power to plug in the FIRE TV Stick.

There was no trash can in the room; had to call down to guest services for that---when I called it was almost like it was an imposition. To make matters worse about 45 minutes after that, I discovered that there was only 1 fork, 2 spoons and a knife in the cutlery drawer. When I called to ask for a couple of additional forks, knives and spoons, they brought be a bag full of silverware that could have accommodated a banquet hall. There was also no salt and pepper in the room which many of the other properties have standard in the room.

I also noticed that there is no guard at the kiosk upon entry to the grounds, nor are there any gate arms that go up and down to discourage people who are not registered from entering/exiting the property.

Last but not least, the Westin Workout facility in Building 2 is in the basement and the signage directing guest to it is TERRIBLE. There is no indication that a guest would have to go down the stairs to access the facility.

None of these singularly would be an issue.....but collectively it makes me wonder who is keeping their eye on the ball here.
 

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Currently in Building 4 at WKORV on the 6th floor with ocean view--and a partial view of the parking lot--tried to get building 2 but the only thing they had available on check in was a ground floor and the family vetoed that. The property, though nice overall looks like it's on the border of needing a refresh as some of the areas appear to be a bit long in the tooth.

When we arrived in our room it was clear that from a technology standpoint that there were nowhere near enough plugs to accommodate all of our phones, iPads, computers, WHOOP wearables, etc. And unlike some of the other properties we have stayed in there is no central power bank under the television that allows you to plug in other devices or a fire TV stick. The credenza the tv sits on was so heavy that I had to call engineering to move it a few inches so I could reach behind to the wall power to plug in the FIRE TV Stick.

There was no trash can in the room; had to call down to guest services for that---when I called it was almost like it was an imposition. To make matters worse about 45 minutes after that, I discovered that there was only 1 fork, 2 spoons and a knife in the cutlery drawer. When I called to ask for a couple of additional forks, knives and spoons, they brought be a bag full of silverware that could have accommodated a banquet hall. There was also no salt and pepper in the room which many of the other properties have standard in the room.

I also noticed that there is no guard at the kiosk upon entry to the grounds, nor are there any gate arms that go up and down to discourage people who are not registered from entering/exiting the property.

Last but not least, the Westin Workout facility in Building 2 is in the basement and the signage directing guest to it is TERRIBLE. There is no indication that a guest would have to go down the stairs to access the facility.

None of these singularly would be an issue.....but collectively it makes me wonder who is keeping their eye on the ball here.
They haven’t had anyone guarding the gate (or a gate, for that matter) in probably 15 years. They did when the resort opened, but within a few years they eliminated that role. I’m not really sure why anyone would want to drive in who didn’t have business at the property, and they do have cameras, etc. I really don’t miss the kind of annoying forced interaction with the gate guard every time you come in.

in nearly twenty years of staying there I’ve never had a room that poorly equipped. It seems like housekeeping has really gone downhill. I’ve had missing kitchen items but never missing 90% of the silverware.

if you are traveling with so many electrical items that there are insufficient outlets, you may want to travel with a power brick or similar. Hotel rooms often lack sufficient outlets or outlets where you want them. I pack a small extension cord too.
 

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Given we pay more than $3000/week MF for North and South is not much less, I am surprised by these reports. I expect much better service than this for this kind of MF.

We pay 1/3 to 1/2 that for our HGVC MFs for similar quality and do not experience these kind of issues. Sounds like a management problem.
 
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