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Next set of boosters....

Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, The Cleveland Clinic, three of the most political organizations in the country. NOT!
 
Greg, you've been sucked in plain and simple, You used to offer rational logical thought on all things timeshare. I know you have successful doing complex business analysis. But this has you hooked, like a fish; sorry it has gotten you. You posted a few days ago the vaccine doesn't work, now you post that it keeps people out of the hospital. Then you post garbage you admit above never was said by Offit. It's like @easyrider has taken over your account.

I've seen so many spiral down this political/ideological rabbit hole. I once thought we could meet and converse, but you truly have changed. I know you have this fear likely driven by excessive viewing of ideological cult garbage on the internet, I can only hope you pull back and use the intelligence you have. Your best chance is to stop watching videos. Good luck to you.

Why are you bringing me back to the covid forum ? You have rarely ever expressed anything other than your opinion that is never backed with any links. The facts are that the Pfizer rct's didn't complete many required series of testing to get the vaccine Emergency Use Authorization. An important series of testing would be trying the vaccine out on other mammals before phase 1 testing on humans which didn't happen. Seriously, there is no way a vaccine can be known to be safe in only 8 months. Especially so for a vaccine using a new nanotechnology.

Regarding boosters, it's a crap shoot. Only those with compromised health conditions that would have trouble fighting a covid infection should be getting these as there are therapies now available. There are too many things that are still unknown regarding mRNA vaccines and human physiology. Why I think the booster is a crap shoot is because the covid virus mutates every two weeks, not every year. Taking vaccines only provides anti-bodies for a short amount of time so if I was inclined to take a booster, which I'm not, it would be only when covid cases are increasing in my area and not decreasing as they are now.

How is it that those that don't agree with mandates or a non-working mRNA vaccine that is being pushed on us are in anyway political, rabbit holeing, watching the wrong stuff or antivax but those that do aren't ? I actually think many of you can't think for yourselves and are getting your information from tv which is the most biased information ever.

Bill
 
... I actually think many of you can't think for yourselves and are getting your information from tv which is the most biased information ever.

Bill
A totally insulting comment.

Just so that you know, I watch zero TV. I do pay attention to what the Mayo Clinic, John's Hopkins, and The Cleveland Clinic have to say. I don't pay attention to odd ball sites found on the social media. I guess in your mind that makes me an unthinking individual.
 
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My spouse caught Omicron in Jan; he got it again in early July. An anecdotal report that seems to negate the (also unproven) idea that natural immunity via infection being better than the vaccine!

The omicron variant seems particular unconcerned about whether one has had COVID before or not, which is why, despite 95% of the US population having some form of inoculation, cases are still high.
 
Yes Roger, it does seem like this topic seems incapable of supporting a respectful disagreement in this forum.

I too have had my fair share of “totally insulting comments” for a year and counting. They seem to come from all sides too. I have been “called” stupid selfish and crazy many many times. And still do.

PROVs think that we have been sold a tale by grifters and are hooked. Kind of Area 51 hooked.

ANTIVs think there is a powerful narrative and you are unable to see it. Kind of Tobacco powerful.

Personally, I feel very good about my Wrong Side Of History claim #1 because of the NEJM article, Cleveland Clinic Study and the CDC’s recent (and too late) course correction.

But I have the capacity to recognize that NI is not bullet proof, my son just reinfected 8 months after a prior infection (and he is 2X Vd, now 2X infected. It was a mild case but I still recognize that he got infected.

I feel very good about my WSOH #2 because I believe in Informed Consent (and medical ethics). Maybe others got a more complete disclosure than my friends before the jab. Others may feel differently but Informed Consent is a bedrock of medical treatments. #3 flows from #2

WSOH #4 is the one that is unsettled in my mind, and that I hope to be wrong on this (because I have many many Vd family members and friends).

emeryjre thinks I hate the mRNA Vs, but I don’t.

I’m glad they exist for my dad and my brother, and others like them. People who choose them because of a comorbidity or high risk designation. Or simply personal choice to seek whatever protections they offer.

And I think it is a tragedy that we terminated 2020’s essential workers (in 2021) because I believe it was a flawed mandate (as per WSOH #1). Many of those nurses/firefighters had natural immunity.

Same with mandating for young and healthy students who are at incredibly low risk. These things better turn out to be sugar pill safe.

Best,

Greg
 
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Hello Davidvel,

I know you mean this positively and so I will take it as such. It is interesting to me that we both look at Offit's video and remember the pieces that reinforce our beliefs. I don't have the clip where he talks about his son and I have no inclination to find it for you. I'm sorry you view his comments as a garbage video and you will be happy to know I rarely watch videos.

It is too early to conclude that I am on the wrong side of history (you didn't say it, but you probably agree with it)

To clarify what my side of history is:

1) Natural immunity is comparable to, if not better than, V'd immunity (more durable, longer lasting)

2) Mandating a medical intervention that does not prevent infection and stop transmission of the disease is not appropriate

3) This treatment is very different from the other mandated treatments, as those treatments prevent infection

4) The long term safety of these treatments is not known, especially now that it is clear that it requires repeated boosters

I know you, and others, agree with none of these views. That is fine. Some of my views are now accepted, others it is too early to conclude and I have the capacity to recognize that I may be wrong.

Best,

Greg

Edited: So I can find this in 2023: #WSOH
I note your list is missing:
* the vaccine reduces and eliminates serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths, thereby saving millions of lives and on, with no known significant side effects as compared to other vaccines and medical treatments.

No, I didn't watch any video, posted from anyone, on any side. Its all foolish internet gibberish viewed only by those that choose to ignore the same experts and medical professionals that they listened to pre-covid, and still continue to listen to and follow for ALL THINGS MEDICAL apart from covid.

PS, Your ASSUMPTIONS are wrong as well. I basically agree with your # 1 (certainly first part), #3, and #4 (because of time only, not because I think there will be any significant long term effects that override the benefits), none of which have any meaningful bearing on whether the vaccine should be mandated.
 
Greg.

I really do not know what you think about mRNA technology. I see someone that is highly conflicted and angry about certain elements.

When provided with 2 choices, you usually pick the one that is promoted by the non-medical side. That is your right.

I think the CDC course correction is based on the fact that virus has mutated into a more infectious but lower mortality virus. Other people see it differently. Again that is their right.

I am not a fan of blatant misinformation as has been promoted here at times. I am not a fan of "studies" and journal reviews that are blatantly false. The type generating large headlines in the epoch times, later retracted for data manipulation or outright fraud, and never corrected. There are plenty of those floating around. I will fight that tooth and nail here at this site.

emeryjre
 
A totally insulting comment.

Just so that you know, I watch zero TV. I do pay attention to what the Mayo Clinic, John's Hopkins, and The Cleveland Clinic have to say. I don't pay attention to odd ball sites found on the social media. I guess in your mind that makes me an unthinking individual.

I didn't say Roger. I said many. Why would you feel "many" is directed at you ? You shouldn't be insulted and I'm amused that you are.

I actually read reports by the same groups as you and many others in my emails sent to me from medpage daily links. You might enjoy medpage. Some articles are biased but the same thing can be said for articles anywhere. https://www.medpagetoday.com/ My interpretation of these articles are probably different than yours as I'm not convinced that mRNA vaccines do anything other than provide a short term immune response and I am convinced there are problems with the product.

It is interesting that when communicating about research that is usually completed before a drug goes out for public use, many will side with FDA, CDC and NIH and many will object and side with other professionals that are as intelligent and qualified as any of the professionals in any of these agencies. Time will tell if the official narrative is right or wrong. My guess is both sides have made valid points but because of the many mis-steps in rushing a vaccine and mandating it ,there will be many problems regarding health and definitely political fallout and retribution, imo.

Bill
 
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