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New To TS's. If you were me what would you do.

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A lot of float weeks and converted points in many older seasonal don't have access to to prime weeks which were sold as fixed weeks. So if want a prime seasonal beach week buy a prime seasonal fixed week. Resale of course,you will find them of course, but don't expect to get one for a dollar.
Ride can attest to that.
 

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So at this point in time, I would like to thank you all for the great advice.

We are not at all going to buy anything soon. We are actually going to MB this weekend and all of next and are planning on stopping by a few places to check them out.

I'm going to go over the Wyndham points Brochure, by the time I'm doing reading it and understand it my kids should be grown, and our needs will probably have changed by then.:crash: :shrug:

If you all would like to chime in and advise me of this.

If you could start over right now, with 2 kids and want to be able to drive within a day to your destination, what program would you buy into right now. Of course this would be a resale, as we are NEVER buying new from developer. And the second part is WHY?

I would seriously look at Bluegreen. Many of the resorts are driving distance from NE Ohio. There are a bunch of MB resorts in the Bluegreen system. I dont own this point system but if you went to the point system forum at http://www.timeshareforums.com/forums/ someone could tell you the specifics. At timeshare forums there is a forum just about Bluegreen.
http://www.timeshareforums.com/forums/bluegreen-resorts/

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you cannot really tell either a developer or a reseller that. some people on the internet simply like to make things up. i suppose it amuses them.

the one sensible sentence in that post would be the part about buying resale.

Truth be told, I am sure you would not expect a reseller, who most likely want to just dump it, to agree to that. Probably a developer would not be convinced to agree to that either. Just FYI, I did not write that for my amusement, but to point up the fact that these maintenance fees getting raised on you is what can really burn you, and they don't tell you about that at these sales presentations. About the only sure-fire way you can prevent it is by not buying one in the first place.

I was also NOT kidding about the suggestion of renting one once a week for at least 5 years before deciding to buy it. I figure if you do that, that will give you plenty of time to get over the possibility of making an impulse buying decision about it.
 

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Ok.. As I am just browsing and looking at what is available I see this one is for sale.

http://tug2.com/TimeshareMarketplac...tingGUID=5cfd1418-7a30-4f42-a101-e4a2fa1d6e30

My question would be this. It seems like a nice little get away. It's not Myrtle Beach. BUT, what would be the likelyhood we could exchange into MB?
The add mentions RCI, and that it could be split into two 1 bedrooms and get two weeks out of RCI. I'm assuming that it would be difficult to book exchange into MB that way or even if we did both units.

We are not against owing away from Myrtle Beach if we can exchange or trade into MB sometimes.
 

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Ok.. As I am just browsing and looking at what is available I see this one is for sale.

http://tug2.com/TimeshareMarketplac...tingGUID=5cfd1418-7a30-4f42-a101-e4a2fa1d6e30

My question would be this. It seems like a nice little get away. It's not Myrtle Beach. BUT, what would be the likelyhood we could exchange into MB?
The add mentions RCI, and that it could be split into two 1 bedrooms and get two weeks out of RCI. I'm assuming that it would be difficult to book exchange into MB that way or even if we did both units.

We are not against owing away from Myrtle Beach if we can exchange or trade into MB sometimes.

$1000 is WAY too much for that, i love Massanutten and AM considering buying there, a 4br lockoff in the WoodStone area of it....But i wouldn't pay that much

If your interested in Massanutten, there is Much available on Ebay for next to nothing, and you can get 4br lock off(split 2br and 2br) at the Summit or WoodStone Sections for not much more in Maintainence Fees
 

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$1000 is WAY too much for that, i love Massanutten and AM considering buying there, a 4br lockoff in the WoodStone area of it....But i wouldn't pay that much

If your interested in Massanutten, there is Much available on Ebay for next to nothing, and you can get 4br lock off(split 2br and 2br) at the Summit or WoodStone Sections for not much more in Maintainence Fees

I think the price is high too.. but my question is more about how well does it trade within RCI to places like MB or maybe even Orlando. Got to get the kids and myself to Disney at least once.
 

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IMHO, rolling the "buy to exchange" dice is NOT your best "bet"...

The add mentions RCI, and that it could be split into two 1 bedrooms and get two weeks out of RCI. I'm assuming that it would be difficult to book exchange into MB that way or even if we did both units.

We are not against owing away from Myrtle Beach if we can exchange or trade into MB sometimes.

Frankly, I think you should seriously consider, comprehend and fully absorb the fact that any purchase made with the sole intention of "exchanging" that week for some other time and place is a crap shoot --- at best. The goalposts are continually being moved around in the exchange game. In addition, the costs of exchanging (just like maintenance fee costs) continue to move in no direction other than upward. How well any given week trades today could very well change tomorrow with the ever-moving RCI goalposts. Even the relatively new RCI "TPU" game already reflects both inconsistency and illogical variability in "valuations".

You have school age children and you will presumably be constrained by and locked into school vacations for years yet to come. You are part of a very large statistical group fitting that very same description (...often with the very same vacation time periods too, I might add). With that irrefutable fact in mind, do you really want to gamble with "buying in hopes of successfully exchanging"? It is of course your prerogative and your choice to do so, but it could very well be a decision which you later come to regret (but cannot easily fix).

I don't mean to sound "negative", but I'd hate to see your enthusiasm to buy result in a bad purchase decision which very well may not fulfill your vacation expectations and / or needs and which perhaps cannot easily be later reversed. Maybe giving yourself the reminder that "maintenance fees are forever" will provide some food for thought before making a hasty purchase decision. :ponder:
 
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I think the price is high too.. but my question is more about how well does it trade within RCI to places like MB or maybe even Orlando. Got to get the kids and myself to Disney at least once.

Each side of the 2br lock off gets 11 TPU's.....Not much, To be completely honest, if you are looking for something between week 26-35 and on the sand...Your going to have a hard no matter the TPU's you get...I get 53 TPU's from my lockoff and still have trouble finding on the beach during those weeks...The only guarentee if you want, on the sand, between weeks 26-35 is to buy on the sand, between weeks 26-35
 

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Frankly, I think you should seriously consider, comprehend and fully absorb the fact that any purchase made with the sole intention of "exchanging" that week for some other time and place is a crap shoot --- at best. The goalposts are continually being moved around in the exchange game. In addition, the costs of exchanging (just like maintenance fee costs) continue to move in no direction other than upward. How well any given week trades today could very well change tomorrow with the ever-moving RCI goalposts. Even the relatively new RCI "TPU" game already reflects both inconsistency and illogical variability in "valuations".

You have school age children and you will presumably be constrained by and locked into school vacations for years yet to come. You are part of a very large statistical group fitting that very same description (...often with the very same vacation time periods too, I might add). With that irrefutable fact in mind, do you really want to gamble with "buying in hopes of successfully exchanging"? It is of course your prerogative and your choice to do so, but it could very well be a decision which you later come to regret (but cannot easily fix).

I don't mean to sound "negative", but I'd hate to see your enthusiasm to buy result in a bad purchase decision which very well may not fulfill your vacation expectations and / or needs and which perhaps cannot easily be later reversed. Pehaps giving yourself the reminder that "maintenance fees are forever" will provide some food for thought before hsatily making a purchase. :ponder:

Thanks for the info. That's what I thought I was going to hear. I saw that and it brought up some questions.

Just so everyone understands, we are in NO hurry to buy, not even this year. BUT, if something were to pop up that would be a "No Brainer" even in the world of TS's, than we might be interested.

I thrilled with the discovery of this site, and even the ability to rent something. We are going to MB this weekend and all of next. We are going to try and meet up with another Tugger down there to see his TS and tour it without the pressure of sales. We are going to drive by a few others just to see what it's like.

We are looking to do something possibly the week of July 4th since my company gives us two days off for the holiday and we only use 3 days of vacation for a full week. So I will be actively looking at place to rent that week...

So don't confuse my questions with the itch to buy. There is way to much to learn and way to many uncertainties in the world of TS's.
 

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Each side of the 2br lock off gets 11 TPU's.....Not much, To be completely honest, if you are looking for something between week 26-35 and on the sand...Your going to have a hard no matter the TPU's you get...I get 53 TPU's from my lockoff and still have trouble finding on the beach during those weeks...The only guarentee if you want, on the sand, between weeks 26-35 is to buy on the sand, between weeks 26-35

Is there a resource for non-RCI members that explains their two programs. I've seen points talked about, weeks talked about, and now TPU's... :wall:
 

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Is there a resource for non-RCI members that explains their two programs. I've seen points talked about, weeks talked about, and now TPU's... :wall:

TPU's are Trade Power Units, they are what RCI uses to define the 'worth' of your unit and week on the 'Weeks' Side.....How they come to that decision is a mystery to Everyone, but they do allow us to search and find out what a weeks TPU's are

Try this link:
http://pgs.rci.com/landing/InsideRCI/index.html?promo=LNKNAENUSWEDUInsideRCIEDULP
 
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Yessa!

<snip>...don't confuse my questions with the itch to buy. There is way to much to learn and way to many uncertainties in the world of TS's.

I'm gladdened to see those very wise words overtly expressed... :clap:
 

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Theo is 100 percent correct. When you buy - do so where you want to go every year. If you can exchange it sometimes - great - but don't depend on it. And, as Theo said- exchange fees have gone up and it can become an expense to trade. You are better off renting if you want to go to different places all the time.
 

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Theo is 100 percent correct. When you buy - do so where you want to go every year. If you can exchange it sometimes - great - but don't depend on it. And, as Theo said- exchange fees have gone up and it can become an expense to trade. You are better off renting if you want to go to different places all the time.

That's like saying buy-and-hold investment strategy is 100% correct, or buying bonds is 100% correct. It is a strategy, yes, but to say it's 100% correct is accurate only insofar as buying to trade is 100% correct. There are plenty of timeshare owners who are serial exchangers and very successful at it. It does require a different skill set, discipline, state of mind, and risk tolerance, but it can be a very cost effective and rewarding strategy.
 

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That's like saying buy-and-hold investment strategy is 100% correct, or buying bonds is 100% correct. It is a strategy, yes, but to say it's 100% correct is accurate only insofar as buying to trade is 100% correct. There are plenty of timeshare owners who are serial exchangers and very successful at it. It does require a different skill set, discipline, state of mind, and risk tolerance, but it can be a very cost effective and rewarding strategy.

Yes, yes! - I understand. But the OP said he has 2 kids and wants to be able to drive to the destination, even though he realizes their needs might change once the kids are grown. (don't be surprised - your needs might not change THAT much). I didn't get the impression that he wants to be a "serial exchanger". I was agreeing with Theo's post. The OP asked about other TUG members experience/opinions related to this. I mentioned in another post how we bought a 2 bedroom -2 weeks (not points)-sleeps 8 (we have one child) and we are within driving distance and if you buy right the place can become like a second home and you might want to keep going their AFTER the kids are grown (and so might the kids, (and maybe THEIR kids) as our 24 year old still does!). We have certainly exchanged (mainly our floaters) plenty of times to great places - summer and spring breaks- but we love going to our home resort (even after 15 years) and it's very easy - no airports, just throw stuff in the car, no hassles of exchanging, no exchange fees and membership fees, don't have to reserve your own week ahead of time - just show up, etc.- and not expensive, since we can cook in a lot and do free/low cost activities there and go sightseeing,etc. Now that we are a bit older (but still working) we rent when we want an extra vacation somewhere else, but continue to go to our home resort, too.;)
 
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Yes, yes! - I understand. But the OP said he has 2 kids and wants to be able to drive to the destination, even though he realizes their needs might change once the kids are grown. (don't be surprised - your needs might not change THAT much). I didn't get the impression that he wants to be a "serial exchanger". I was agreeing with Theo's post. The OP asked about other TUG members experience/opinions related to this. I mentioned in another post how we bought a 2 bedroom -2 weeks (not points)-sleeps 8 (we have one child) and we are within driving distance and if you buy right the place can become like a second home and you might want to keep going their AFTER the kids are grown (and so might the kids, (and maybe THEIR kids) as our 24 year old still does!). We have certainly exchanged (mainly our floaters) plenty of times to great places - summer and spring breaks- but we love going to our home resort (even after 15 years) and it's very easy - no airports, just throw stuff in the car, no hassles of exchanging, no exchange fees and membership fees, don't have to reserve your own week ahead of time - just show up, etc.- and not expensive, since we can cook in a lot and do free/low cost activities there and go sightseeing,etc. Now that we are a bit older (but still working) we rent when we want an extra vacation somewhere else, but continue to go to our home resort, too.;)

Yep, this is basically it in a nutshell. Would exchanging it be nice once in a while, sure, nice to try something different on occassions. If we were to want to exchange or trade it would be into Orlando, as I have said before Disney & Universal is something we might do, and maybe even this coming summer.

Were pretty much set that we want to Buy in MB. We are going this next week. Will be visiting one TS, a Wyndham courtesy of another Tugger offer to stop by, and also driving through the Sheraton Plantation as we might be renting from a Tugger for the week of July 4th.

I wish I new about this place 10 years ago and all the available options of renting TS's from owners and what not.. Man the savings. Well... you live and learn, and I have learned a lot.

We may even wait till both kids are grown to buy, just depends if the right TS comes up.
 

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Like the zoo signs say ---"Don't feed the animals"...

Yes, yes! - I understand. But the OP said he has 2 kids and wants to be able to drive to the destination, even though he realizes their needs might change once the kids are grown. (don't be surprised - your needs might not change THAT much). I didn't get the impression that he wants to be a "serial exchanger". I was agreeing with Theo's post. The OP asked about other TUG members experience/opinions related to this. I mentioned in another post how we bought a 2 bedroom -2 weeks (not points)-sleeps 8 (we have one child) and we are within driving distance and if you buy right the place can become like a second home and you might want to keep going their AFTER the kids are grown (and so might the kids, (and maybe THEIR kids) as our 24 year old still does!). We have certainly exchanged (mainly our floaters) plenty of times to great places - summer and spring breaks- but we love going to our home resort (even after 15 years) and it's very easy - no airports, just throw stuff in the car, no hassles of exchanging, no exchange fees and membership fees, don't have to reserve your own week ahead of time - just show up, etc.- and not expensive, since we can cook in a lot and do free/low cost activities there and go sightseeing,etc. Now that we are a bit older (but still working) we rent when we want an extra vacation somewhere else, but continue to go to our home resort, too.;)

"Beefnot" seems to have little or nothing of actual substance to contribute to these TUG forums, but merely foments and manufactures conflict and argument (where none is either necessary or appropriate) with "philosophical" objections, apparently just to "stir the pot". His own words elsewhere on TUG have admitted possessing little or nothing in the way of applicable facts, but instead a claim to "wisdom and logic" as an offered substitute for knowledge and / or pertinent experience.

I always welcome intelligent discourse and informed disagreement ---the operative word being informed. Personally, I am very grateful for the "ignore" function / option offered among TUG's User CP choices. I seldom use it, but greatly appreciate its' existence when I do...:)
 

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Only exchanging once in a while is where RCI gets expensive. You have to keep
your membership active for the whole time, up to your exchange. So you have
to join to deposit and if you don't use the exchange for the two years your
allowed, you would have to pay 3 membership fees at $89 each currently.
They do have specials sometimes but with that and the exchange fee, your
tacking on about $400 for your week.
There's more to it than that , you may get multiple weeks for more fees and you
can get the getaway vacations but it may not be worth it. For an occasional
exchange, you may want to look at the independents.
 

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Only exchanging once in a while is where RCI gets expensive. You have to keep
your membership active for the whole time, up to your exchange. So you have
to join to deposit and if you don't use the exchange for the two years your
allowed, you would have to pay 3 membership fees at $89 each currently.
They do have specials sometimes but with that and the exchange fee, your
tacking on about $400 for your week.
There's more to it than that , you may get multiple weeks for more fees and you
can get the getaway vacations but it may not be worth it. For an occasional
exchange, you may want to look at the independents.

Exactly. That's why we are not renewing our RCI membership after all these years. Of course, one reason we kept it so long was that in case we couldn't use our week at the last minute for some reason, we could bank it with RCI and use the week to go somewhere else later on (when the exchange fees were cheaper) - the membership fee was kind of like a travel insurance policy. We were lucky and that never happened. If that situation was to arise now, we would try to rent it or just let our son (who is old enough now) or a friend use it. For most people, it could be better to just swap with someone here on TUG - or if your home resort has an "inside" swap/rent/sale club like ours does, do it there, or use DAE/Redweek or other independents like you have stated.
 

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Yep, this is basically it in a nutshell. Would exchanging it be nice once in a while, sure, nice to try something different on occassions. If we were to want to exchange or trade it would be into Orlando, as I have said before Disney & Universal is something we might do, and maybe even this coming summer.

Were pretty much set that we want to Buy in MB. We are going this next week. Will be visiting one TS, a Wyndham courtesy of another Tugger offer to stop by, and also driving through the Sheraton Plantation as we might be renting from a Tugger for the week of July 4th.

I wish I new about this place 10 years ago and all the available options of renting TS's from owners and what not.. Man the savings. Well... you live and learn, and I have learned a lot.

We may even wait till both kids are grown to buy, just depends if the right TS comes up.

Great! This is what we did - we vacationed at our home resort for a couple of years before we bought, so we would know if we really would enjoy going there every year. It worked out, because at first we almost bought an every other year type week with a floater in between in an older unit, but then, because we decided to wait, the resort ended up building a new community and we were able to buy there and it is a much more desirable location within the resort. Good luck and have fun!:cheer:
 

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"Beefnot" seems to have little or nothing of actual substance to contribute to these TUG forums, but merely foments and manufactures conflict and argument (where none is either necessary or appropriate) with "philosophical" objections, apparently just to "stir the pot". His own words elsewhere on TUG have admitted possessing little or nothing in the way of applicable facts, but instead a claim to "wisdom and logic" as an offered substitute for knowledge and / or pertinent experience.

I always welcome intelligent discourse and informed disagreement ---the operative word being informed. Personally, I am very grateful for the "ignore" function / option offered among TUG's User CP choices. I seldom use it, but greatly appreciate its' existence when I do...:)

Aww Theo, you are so sensitive. Here's a hanky. Either you do not read or you hate being challenged. People offer their facts and conventional wisdom without thinking through opposing or equally valid points of view. In this case, I was responding to a definitive assertion of what was the right thing to do for the OP, who had conflicting and fledgling opinions of how to go about TSing; was all over the place. I have no issue with someone expressing their advice. My challenge was the 100% correctness of it. Because you agree with that advice and because of my history challenging BS comments from others, apparently you dont even stop to read and contemplate. Do yourself a favor a favor and use your ignore button and return to your bubble :)
 

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Yep, this is basically it in a nutshell. Would exchanging it be nice once in a while, sure, nice to try something different on occassions. If we were to want to exchange or trade it would be into Orlando, as I have said before Disney & Universal is something we might do, and maybe even this coming summer.

Were pretty much set that we want to Buy in MB. We are going this next week. Will be visiting one TS, a Wyndham courtesy of another Tugger offer to stop by, and also driving through the Sheraton Plantation as we might be renting from a Tugger for the week of July 4th.

I wish I new about this place 10 years ago and all the available options of renting TS's from owners and what not.. Man the savings. Well... you live and learn, and I have learned a lot.

We may even wait till both kids are grown to buy, just depends if the right TS comes up.

My only suggestion is to get a week and resort that has maximal trading power, or consider buying into points systems like Wyndham which you are visiting. Some folks have loved their TS for awhile here on TUG and then get to itching for variety. But your MFs go into perpetuity unless you can sell it. Buying something that trades well or having points will provide flexibility should your needs change. But if you have a good bit of vacation time, you can always buy another TS down the road and feed your addictions like some of us here on TUG! But baby steps, baby steps.

P.s. of course, only take my advice with a grain of salt, since we all know Theo is 100% correct.
 

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There are basics that apply to 99.9% of all buyers/potential buyers (buy resale for example) and other "rules" that are safe ways to go (buy where you want to stay or in points use, buy owner controlled, buy where you can drive, etc) but are not always the best choice for a specific family/buyer.

That said if someone simply buys to use, buys a place they can drive to and buys resale they have a very high probability of a satisfactory ts ownership experience.

If a newbie buys to trade, in a far off land and especially from the retail source they have an equally high chance to be a disillusioned ts owner that will lose plenty when they try to dump what they never should have bought. It is that simple in most cases.
 

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P.s. of course, only take my advice with a grain of salt, since we all know Theo is 100% correct.

Congratulations

It seems that its your turn to be dismissed by Theo

You are exactly correct Theo is always 100% correct. as long as you understand that, you will be ok
 

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Nope...

Theo is always 100% correct. as long as you understand that, you will be ok

Certainly, Theo is not always 100% correct --- nor has he ever believed or ever claimed otherwise...

That much being very clearly stated however, I do try to confine my comments and my input here to those topics and those arenas about which I happen to have direct, first hand knowledge and experience; a practice which a few others here might at least consider adopting.

Sorry to occasionally offend the thin-skinned and hypersensitive with input which is blunt and direct, but I can't (and I don't) apologize for being entirely unwilling to just "suffer fools gladly"... :rolleyes:
 
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