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My wife and I have recently purchased a small package through Holiday Inn Vacation Clubs. Short background, we have been through two blue green vacations presentations and do like the idea that they present. The 2nd time we ended up purchasing but rescinding due to the information overload and seeing how cheap they can be had on Ebay and such. However seeing some of the restrictions on the resale required more research and it seemed that buying used with a charter membership really wasnt that much cheaper than what we had purchased. I have a friend who has a bluegreen timeshare and likes it but his yearly fees are outragous. He is double platinum and pays around $15k a year in MF.

So on to the current situation. Last friday while in Cape Canaveral we attended the HIVC presentation and liked that their resorts include lazy rivers, water parks, putt putt, and theaters that are reported to be all included and free to members. The salesman wasn't near as pushy as they bluegreen salesaman was and the manager was not pushy at all which helped but there is a lot of information to take in.

So here is what we ended up with and our thoughts on how we would use it. We purchased 30k yearly points and received 30k bonus points for $7490. We can purchase 50% of our points- 15k for $150 per year or borrow from the next year. We can exchange through RCI and IHG. There is a 5 to 4 exchange rate to IHG so I understand I will lose 20% of the points I role over but it is better than losing them. I would likely try to rent a stay for a friend then lose the points. They gave us 20k in IHG points and $180 cash back. We purchased last friday and still have time to rescind.

Now, I know that I can purchase resale but it is confusing to me regarding the three locations to purchase, deeded vs trust, etc. Our yearly membership fee is $169 and our taxes and maintenance fee is $371. We purchased our points which came from a resort in texas and we did not get a deed so I am under the impression that we purchased from a trust.

My tenative plan on how we will use it would are as follows: Needing 2br due to space of my wife and two kids. We would skip planning on holidays and Friday and saturday to save points. We would use last minute deals for the under 20k points for 7 night stays or last minute cash deals after we have used out points. My kids are younger and in school so we would plan with last minute deals around spring break, mid winter break, and or Christmas break. Two months is enough time for us to make accomodations. We could book Sunday or Monday through thursday. This would allow us to avoid friday and saturday high point days. Also to be able to travel, leaving on a friday or saturday and arriving on a Sunday or Monday. Summers are pretty flexible as to when I can take time off work. We were told that HIVC has now partnered with Bluegreen and we would have access to some of their resorts as well. Anyone know if this is true?

I do not have a problem with the $7900 expense and the $540 in club and MF fees a year even though I could likely save some money after a lot of research and strudying etc. I don't mind the $150 for the extra 15k points per year if needed or the booking fee for the time or two per year that we are going to use it. My main concern is will 30-45k points allow us to do one to two 3-4 day vacations per year using as laid out above. Do most/all of HIVC have free amenities, like water parks, pools, theaters, etc or do you actually have to pay. I guess my big hang up is more about, is it a bait and switch and the points we have won't allow us to vaca as laid out above which they demo can be done, are the resorts crappy or good, am I really able to get into the RCI resorts easily? Like I mentioned above, if I can use it as we think we can (laid out above) I will keep it. If were were lied to and this is really unrealistic someone with experience please let me know.

Also, by keeping what I have is there an easier, cheaper way to buy additional resale points down the road if we find we want to vacation more, or would those be limited to the resort they are purchased from.

For those who use HIVC are you happy with it or would you recommend bluegreen. If I do rescind would it be better\easier to buy bluegreen on resale vs HIVC. My wife seemed happy with the HIVC amenities and pricing and plans to use it as long as it fits our need so we are hoping we do not need to rescind and can use it as long as our plan will work. If 30-45k points just isnt going to cut it then I'll cut my losses before I have to fight to get out of it. I did like the amenities and pricing better than Bluegreen. It seemed the points we would have gotten with Bluegreen were less than we have now, purchase price, and maintenance fees, were much higher, and there was too much to take in and tons of paperwork that had too many hidden details to sort through in the short amount of time we were given. I actually felt pretty good about the HIVC deal and expenses are within our means, just worried we were given false info regarding our package capabilites. My wife has been through all three of these with me and is at the point that we keep it if it will work, if not she is done dealing with them and we will pay out of pocket for everything. It seems in 2025 that HIVC is making it real hard to buy resale points and make them usable without jumping through a lot of hoops that I really do not want to deal with.


Long first post but after reading some post on here you all seem very helpful. Thanks for taking the time.
 

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I think it is only going to get you one 3-4 night vacation, not 2 and depending on when you are traveling that might be a midweek vacation not over a weekend.. I just don't think HICV is cost effective in any way shape or form as they are selling it now. 15k isn't even going to be one extra night some places. Have you looked at the chart.

I think 140k-210k wyndham points for 2-3 vacations is probably a better option but you would be looking at $1200-$1700 in MF's

During peak season 1 weekend night in a 1BR at Orange Lake is 26,500 points. Dimond season in New Orleans weekend is 36,000 for one weekend night in a 1 BR.


If you need a 2 BR you won't get even 2 nights for 45k unless you are traveling off off season mid week. For a family that needs 2BR, then anything less than 100k is going to be pretty useless.

I think you will be just as frustrated with HICV and have to pay it off and pay $1200 (current exit price per contract). HICV trust points whether large or small have even more restrictions and less resale value than bluegree.
 
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Are the last minute less than 20k points actually correct? They showed some deals that were available which were 7 nights for 15,000pts with 2 bedrooms? Any chance that was an altered or false listing to get people to buy or is it an actual thing? That is what I had in mind for trying to stretch the points.

What about buying more points on the resale to add to our 30-45k?

Which would be best and easiest resale timeshare to buy without high MF or least restrictions?
 

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Good Morning,

My wife and I have recently purchased a small package through Holiday Inn Vacation Clubs. Short background, we have been through two blue green vacations presentations and do like the idea that they present. The 2nd time we ended up purchasing but rescinding due to the information overload and seeing how cheap they can be had on Ebay and such. However seeing some of the restrictions on the resale required more research and it seemed that buying used with a charter membership really wasnt that much cheaper than what we had purchased. I have a friend who has a bluegreen timeshare and likes it but his yearly fees are outragous. He is double platinum and pays around $15k a year in MF.

So on to the current situation. Last friday while in Cape Canaveral we attended the HIVC presentation and liked that their resorts include lazy rivers, water parks, putt putt, and theaters that are reported to be all included and free to members. The salesman wasn't near as pushy as they bluegreen salesaman was and the manager was not pushy at all which helped but there is a lot of information to take in.

So here is what we ended up with and our thoughts on how we would use it. We purchased 30k yearly points and received 30k bonus points for $7490. We can purchase 50% of our points- 15k for $150 per year or borrow from the next year. We can exchange through RCI and IHG. There is a 5 to 4 exchange rate to IHG so I understand I will lose 20% of the points I role over but it is better than losing them. I would likely try to rent a stay for a friend then lose the points. They gave us 20k in IHG points and $180 cash back. We purchased last friday and still have time to rescind.

Now, I know that I can purchase resale but it is confusing to me regarding the three locations to purchase, deeded vs trust, etc. Our yearly membership fee is $169 and our taxes and maintenance fee is $371. We purchased our points which came from a resort in texas and we did not get a deed so I am under the impression that we purchased from a trust.

My tenative plan on how we will use it would are as follows: Needing 2br due to space of my wife and two kids. We would skip planning on holidays and Friday and saturday to save points. We would use last minute deals for the under 20k points for 7 night stays or last minute cash deals after we have used out points. My kids are younger and in school so we would plan with last minute deals around spring break, mid winter break, and or Christmas break. Two months is enough time for us to make accomodations. We could book Sunday or Monday through thursday. This would allow us to avoid friday and saturday high point days. Also to be able to travel, leaving on a friday or saturday and arriving on a Sunday or Monday. Summers are pretty flexible as to when I can take time off work. We were told that HIVC has now partnered with Bluegreen and we would have access to some of their resorts as well. Anyone know if this is true?

I do not have a problem with the $7900 expense and the $540 in club and MF fees a year even though I could likely save some money after a lot of research and strudying etc. I don't mind the $150 for the extra 15k points per year if needed or the booking fee for the time or two per year that we are going to use it. My main concern is will 30-45k points allow us to do one to two 3-4 day vacations per year using as laid out above. Do most/all of HIVC have free amenities, like water parks, pools, theaters, etc or do you actually have to pay. I guess my big hang up is more about, is it a bait and switch and the points we have won't allow us to vaca as laid out above which they demo can be done, are the resorts crappy or good, am I really able to get into the RCI resorts easily? Like I mentioned above, if I can use it as we think we can (laid out above) I will keep it. If were were lied to and this is really unrealistic someone with experience please let me know.

Also, by keeping what I have is there an easier, cheaper way to buy additional resale points down the road if we find we want to vacation more, or would those be limited to the resort they are purchased from.

For those who use HIVC are you happy with it or would you recommend bluegreen. If I do rescind would it be better\easier to buy bluegreen on resale vs HIVC. My wife seemed happy with the HIVC amenities and pricing and plans to use it as long as it fits our need so we are hoping we do not need to rescind and can use it as long as our plan will work. If 30-45k points just isnt going to cut it then I'll cut my losses before I have to fight to get out of it. I did like the amenities and pricing better than Bluegreen. It seemed the points we would have gotten with Bluegreen were less than we have now, purchase price, and maintenance fees, were much higher, and there was too much to take in and tons of paperwork that had too many hidden details to sort through in the short amount of time we were given. I actually felt pretty good about the HIVC deal and expenses are within our means, just worried we were given false info regarding our package capabilites. My wife has been through all three of these with me and is at the point that we keep it if it will work, if not she is done dealing with them and we will pay out of pocket for everything. It seems in 2025 that HIVC is making it real hard to buy resale points and make them usable without jumping through a lot of hoops that I really do not want to deal with.


Long first post but after reading some post on here you all seem very helpful. Thanks for taking the time.


I think you should rescind immediately, do your homework, and then come back to buy once you fully understand everything......

Definitely think things through before you buy......

Welcome to TUG and best of luck.









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I think you should rescind immediately, do your homework, and then come back to buy once you fully understand everything......

Definitely think things through before you buy......

Welcome to TUG and best of luck.









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Both Bluegreens and HIVC showed a website that is used for bookings and show the points needed to stay. With Bluegreen they scheduled an owners orienation where they stated they would show us how to use the system. Which is beyond the cancellation window but since we rescinded it was cancelled. With HIVC they did not make mention of that. Is there a website that allows us to see what is available without our account being fully activated ( or as they stated account wont be active for a few weeks so my assumption is to ensure that its after the rescinding window.
 

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Are the last minute less than 20k points actually correct? They showed some deals that were available which were 7 nights for 15,000pts with 2 bedrooms? Any chance that was an altered or false listing to get people to buy or is it an actual thing? That is what I had in mind for trying to stretch the points.

What about buying more points on the resale to add to our 30-45k?

Which would be best and easiest resale timeshare to buy without high MF or least restrictions?
If you have bluegreen now, have you ever looked at last calls through rci. Alot of that inventory is the same. With exchange fees now at $300 plus 20,000 points or $359 plus tax and no points, it doesn't make sense to buy in and pay all that MF's for the $65 saving for left over inventory in rci.


Resale HICV can only be used in HICV (no rci access), It won't combine with your other points, You can only book at the resort where the points are listed on the contract not system wide and I think you are limited to something like 60 days in advance. They just severely restrict resale trust points.
 

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If you have bluegreen now, have you ever looked at last calls through rci. Alot of that inventory is the same. With exchange fees now at $300 plus 20,000 points or $359 plus tax and no points, it doesn't make sense to buy in and pay all that MF's for the $65 saving for left over inventory in rci.


Resale HICV can only be used in HICV (no rci access), It won't combine with your other points, You can only book at the resort where the points are listed on the contract not system wide and I think you are limited to something like 60 days in advance. They just severely restrict resale trust points.
I do not have blue green. We rescinded that within the 5 day purchase period. We just purchased with HIVC. So I do not have the dashboard or know where to look at the RCI availability or last calls. If I can purchase last calls for cash at $359 without being a timeshare holder I'd love to know how and go that route instead of being locked into MFs
 

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I do not have blue green. We rescinded that within the 5 day purchase period. We just purchased with HIVC. So I do not have the dashboard or know where to look at the RCI availability or last calls. If I can purchase last calls for cash at $359 without being a timeshare holder I'd love to know how and go that route instead of being locked into MFs
No you have to be a timeshare owner to belong to RCI. Last calls are for a full week and they have a tendency to be the kind of places that people didn't think were worth paying the exchange fee plus points to book. It is the places that have much more supply than demand. If you are looking for popular vacations when school is out in a 2 BR you will find 3rd and 4th tier Orlando and some older less popular non beach locations. If you want Christmas vacation, you will find things like Virginia Beach. On the other hand you might find something in Florida or Hawaii on available on December 22 checking in on December 25.

For most timeshare stays, you need to plan in advance as much as 1-2 years in advance paying the full value in points or you have to be super flexible ad be willing to check 4-5+ times a day for months knowing that the chance of you finding something that you want may be less than 20%


They purposely don't give you access or show you availability until it is past the time to cancel.
 

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I would RECIND NOW and do your research. The sample package you bought probably has restrictions as well. As far as WHERE your points are at, this is key to booking window. You will have first dibs on that resort and then have to wait till the open window for anything else (most popular destinations and times will be gone).

Do yourself a favor and rescind NOW AND DO MORE RESEARCH.

A little background, we have bought from developer as well more than once. It was before we had the internet to do any research. So don't beat yourself up. After finding TUG all things changed, for the better. Stick around and ask more questions.


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I used to own HICV and 30,000 points was not enough even for a 1 BR in prime season. My Las Vegas unit was. 1 BR and 98,000 points.
Anything you can get for 20K would be partial weeks or last minute leftovers. You could do last call through RCI but again they are the leftovers.

I would rescind and then do more research prior to purchasing another unit, based on your family’s needs.
 

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You should definitely rescind and look at other ownership options. If you like deluxe resorts, Wyndham has some great ones, and you can get Wyndham points cheaply or even free. The only benefit to owning Wyndham as developer is if you spend a huge amount of money to get a status. Owners who buy anything developer from Wyndham under 300K points are treated just like resale owners.

For us with Wyndham's highest level of ownership, benefits are few and far between for discounted stays. I did just book our son a few weekdays at Grand Desert for the end of February for a great discount, but I can honestly say that it's not worth paying big money for discounts you get here and there.

Just buy a contract with low maintenance fees per 1,000, preferably around $7.00 per 1,000 or less. Bonnet Creek is 224,000 for a 2 bedroom at prime times of year, 112,000 points for low season, and some in-between high and low for different amounts. It's probably the most popular resort in Wyndham, besides Glacier Canyon in Wisconsin Dells, which is awesome, if you want water park accommodations. That is really something. Wyndham also has one resort in Door County that is probably the best resort in Door County, and that is Little Sweden. Fantastic units.

You didn't say where you live or where you want to travel. I assume Florida? Wyndham has Daytona Beach, Panama City, Clearwater, and several other locations that should entice you. Wyndham has places that others don't. Other resort systems have locations where Wyndham is lacking, but you can always use Wyndham/ RCI to get vacations through Extra Vacations and Last Call. Wyndham has Tenessee and Arkansas and Branson and so many other locations that we enjoy. Wyndham is the only system with Nashville that I know of, and they have two resorts, one near Opryland.

The lazy rivers is not necessarily something every resort has in any system. I don't think so, anyway.
 

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Recind now and keep looking for deals that suit your needs.
We had 3 different timeshares at Orange Lake. We upgraded to 127,000 points and made good use of points. We also had a fixed week 42 that we gifted to a friend. Orange Lake became too expensive for us. So we gifted to another tug member. If you like the Cape Canaveral Resort see if someone is reselling their week. I know it reverts to fixed week on resale, but you can exchange thru RCI if that’s what you want. Welcome to tug. We only make suggestions. Do what’s best for you.
 

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You should definitely rescind and look at other ownership options. If you like deluxe resorts, Wyndham has some great ones, and you can get Wyndham points cheaply or even free. The only benefit to owning Wyndham as developer is if you spend a huge amount of money to get a status. Owners who buy anything developer from Wyndham under 300K points are treated just like resale owners.

For us with Wyndham's highest level of ownership, benefits are few and far between for discounted stays. I did just book our son a few weekdays at Grand Desert for the end of February for a great discount, but I can honestly say that it's not worth paying big money for discounts you get here and there.

Just buy a contract with low maintenance fees per 1,000, preferably around $7.00 per 1,000 or less. Bonnet Creek is 224,000 for a 2 bedroom at prime times of year, 112,000 points for low season, and some in-between high and low for different amounts. It's probably the most popular resort in Wyndham, besides Glacier Canyon in Wisconsin Dells, which is awesome, if you want water park accommodations. That is really something. Wyndham also has one resort in Door County that is probably the best resort in Door County, and that is Little Sweden. Fantastic units.

You didn't say where you live or where you want to travel. I assume Florida? Wyndham has Daytona Beach, Panama City, Clearwater, and several other locations that should entice you. Wyndham has places that others don't. Other resort systems have locations where Wyndham is lacking, but you can always use Wyndham/ RCI to get vacations through Extra Vacations and Last Call. Wyndham has Tenessee and Arkansas and Branson and so many other locations that we enjoy. Wyndham is the only system with Nashville that I know of, and they have two resorts, one near Opryland.

The lazy rivers is not necessarily something every resort has in any system. I don't think so, anyway.
We are from Michigan. The only resort in MI that I am aware of is Boyne Falls which we stayed at with a cheap Bluegreen presentation several years ago. Last year we did another promotion through Bluegreen and they put is Wisconson Dells which included the waterpark which was great for the kids. Our last stay was in Cape Canaveral but we did not actually get to stay at the resort, just visit to see its amentities. We like to go to warmer areas during the school year when we have winter break and ususally it is Florida but we are interested in the the flexible timeshares so we can travel more and try new places. The sales rep through HIVC stated all of their resorts have pools, lazy rivers-or are getting them, some have waterparks, all are getting theaters, game rooms, putt-putt, and ping pong. All which is free for guest which was a nice selling point for the kids. We like the idea of using it for a short getaway with just the two of us too eventually.


On Friday I sent out a cancellation letter. I sent two copies, one was priority which does not require a signature so they could not refuse to sign for it, the other was sent certified mail requiring a signature and both have tracking. We did not include any paperwork from the contract as they should have all the originals, but did include my wife and I's information, contract number, purchase date, current date that is within the 10 day cancellation period. and was addressed to them as listed in the contract. Both of us signed the cancellation letter.
 

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We have HICV and do enjoy the resorts. They do seem to aim towards family friendly style of resort with the amenities you mentioned. Not all of them have the lazy rivers and such but some do. I would research all the available systems for a while to try and figure out which one works for you. I will say that HICV does have some great off season point values for really stretching your points. For example the cape canaveral resort in late May early June is only 45,000 points a week for a studio. Or 100,000 for a two bedroom. Gatlinburg(which has indoor water park) in January 61,000 for a 2 bedroom. And if you do get the direct perks you can get some free upgrades and discounted bookings which also help stretch the points. One way to do this is to buy a deed that is worth a lot of points on the resale market and then buy the small 30,000 point package directly from HICV to bring the other deed into the club. We did that twice although the first time we only had to buy 15,000 points. My one complaint with HICV is lack of “high end” destinations. Hawaii, Caribbean, more ocean front locations etc. although with the purchase of the Royal resorts in Mexico they are working on it. And the new ocean front Myrtle beach resort is wonderful but I would of preferred it in Hilton Head or somewhere other then Myrtle. I keep toying with the idea of getting a Marriott trader or small Hilton points deed to gain access to some of these other areas. Just don’t have enough vacation time right now. If I had to start over from scratch I may of done a combo of a Marriott lock off trader(which you trade through II) and a Hilton points deed or two. This could be done fairly inexpensive and you would have access to RCI and II with Marriott preference II. Anyway hope this helps and have fun doing lots of research.
 
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