MVC CC&Rs? MVC locations by date?

[ljmiii]

I'm on the hunt for the Public Offering Statements for MVC locations. In a perfect world someone here would have at least some of them handily accessible online.

Failing that, does anyone have a list of MVC locations by date? Or at least with opening dates noted?

I've done this for DVC and was a lot easier to find the docs on the Orange County, Beaufort County, and Indian River websites by narrowing down the dates. TIA

 

[ljmiii]

Also, after looking through 10+ year TUG posts I'm finding the following...

That there were MVC resorts that had no mention of booking beyond 12 months.

MVC resorts that specified 13 month reservations had to be with done two weeks at that resort. Shadow Ridge?

That there was at least one MVC resort where the ability to trade for MRPs written into the CC&Rs.

Again, TIA

 

[SueDonJ]

I have the POS's for Barony Beach Club and SurfWatch which were given to us when we purchased direct from MVC years ago. They're not handily accessible online though, they're 5.25" X 8.5" paperback books that contain the Master Deed, Time Sharing Plan/Declaration, Management Agreement, By-Laws and various other of the legal components in effect at the time of purchase. Each page in the books is a copy of the original letter- or legal-size page shrunk down to size; Barony's book is 326 pages and SurfWatch's is 376 pages.

For a while it was possible to obtain the POS from MVC (Owner Modifications) for any of the resorts where you owned Weeks, which would be especially helpful for owners who bought on the external market. That may still be true; I just haven't looked into it lately. When it was possible they would caution that you may be charged a copying fee but I don't remember ever hearing of anyone who had actually been charged for it.

The problem with trying to compare and contrast among all the resorts in MVC's portfolio is that each resort has its own POS, and, regardless of the legalese that was in effect at any certain point in a resort's history, virtually all of the resorts' Timesharing Declaration docs give MVW the right to amend the docs as needed (subject to legal restrictions) for various reasons including in order to provide uniformity in the management. For example, back in Nov 2010 after the Destination Club introduction in Jun 2010, there was a portfolio-wide email blast to owners of amendments pertaining to reservation procedures for Weeks. It appeared to consolidate all of the variances that had ever been implemented system-wide but even today, they don't follow all of them to the letter. Also, we don't always know or get a copy of amendments when they change them - that 2010 blast was not at all the norm and looking back now, it may have been done in an effort to stem rampant speculation that the DC could and would negatively affect Weeks inventory in blatant non-compliance with rights stipulated in the Weeks governing docs.

As for the right to exchange direct-purchase Weeks for Bonvoy (formerly Marriott Rewards) Points? That right was written into every resort's POS with the stipulation that it could be amended or revoked at any time by the company (Marriott, Int'l) which oversees the program. The same was written into every Contract for Purchase for the individual Weeks, which is where the amount of MRP's and the frequency with which a particular Week could be exchanged for them was expressly stated.

 

[SueDonJ]

... MVC resorts that specified 13 month reservations had to be with done two weeks at that resort. Shadow Ridge?
...

Again, TIA

That "same resort" restriction for using the 13-mos Reservation Window to book consecutive/concurrent Weeks was written into the Shadow Ridge and probably a few other resorts' docs but not into those of every resorts' POS - the SurfWatch docs don't contain that restriction. Also, among the POS' that do contain language about the 13-mos Reservation Window, some specify that such reservations are, "for Owner Occupancy only." Barony's POS contains that stipulation, SurfWatch's doesn't.

For as long as I've been an owner anyway, MVW has allowed all multi-Week owners to book consecutive/concurrent reservations at the 13-mos Reservation Window using Weeks from different resorts without imposing an owner-occupancy-only requirement.

<shrug> These are just a couple examples of how their uniform management appears to contrast with certain individual resorts' POS.

 

[Dean]

I'm on the hunt for the Public Offering Statements for MVC locations. In a perfect world someone here would have at least some of them handily accessible online.

Failing that, does anyone have a list of MVC locations by date? Or at least with opening dates noted?

I've done this for DVC and was a lot easier to find the docs on the Orange County, Beaufort County, and Indian River websites by narrowing down the dates. TIA

I have Aruba, the original Grande Ocean, and Surfwatch but I'll have to dig them out.

Also, after looking through 10+ year TUG posts I'm finding the following...

That there were MVC resorts that had no mention of booking beyond 12 months.

MVC resorts that specified 13 month reservations had to be with done two weeks at that resort. Shadow Ridge?

That there was at least one MVC resort where the ability to trade for MRPs written into the CC&Rs.

Again, TIA

The mention of a 12 vs 13 month issue really isn't an issue as I'm sure you'll find they all give 100% control of the reservation system to the management company and this would fall under the same. The only way it's matter would be if the wording in the POS precluded such a change and even then a POS can be changed subject to the rules to do so. I've seen several discussions over the years from those that wanted to make the point that the 13 month requirement mandated the weeks had to be at THAT resort for the option to apply. As you search back through TUG remember there have been some changes, clarifications and updates along the way including the ability to book different start days and to use fixed weeks in the 13 month string. For the resorts that were in place before MVC and have fixed weeks it doesn't matter as it's either their fixed week or DC points. I know there was a lot of discussion about a couple of resorts previously where some held the POS wording required the weeks used at 13 months be at the same resort and given what was posted, I thought at the time it was vague enough to go either way. I think MOC was one of the main ones IIRC.

 

[ljmiii]

The mention of a 12 vs 13 month issue really isn't an issue...

True enough. I was one of the folk involved in the 12/13 month discussion way back when. My Waiohai CC&R says 'the resort' and I remember being told that Waiohai required they be two Waiohai weeks to book concurrently/consecutively at 13 months. (I couldn't pull back if it was on TUG or a MVCI CSR...I just knew it wasn't a salesrep).

What I'm really after is examples of MVC playing a bit fast and lose with resort POSs and/or changing the POS. The 12/13 month window is one. I've read Dave M post on the ability to trade for MRPs written into at least one CC&R. And I know I've read of resort board elections needing MVC approval. I just can't remember if this was something written into a POS, something MVC just did, or if it was merely true because of the ever increasing percentage of weeks in the trust.

I do realize that from a practical standpoint the answer is moot. It is purely for my edification and that of someone who is 'convinced' MVC would never do that kind of thing.

And I've had the benefit of learning from many fascinating TUG posts from you, SueDonJ, Dave M, davidvel, JIMinNC, and many others. Accumulating and making available the POSs of as many MVCI resorts as I can get (or at least as many as I can get for free) seems a worthwhile endeavor.

 

[ljmiii]

I have the POS's for Barony Beach Club and SurfWatch which were given to us when we purchased direct from MVC years ago. They're not handily accessible online though, they're 5.25" X 8.5" paperback books that contain the Master Deed, Time Sharing Plan/Declaration, Management Agreement, By-Laws and various other of the legal components in effect at the time of purchase. Each page in the books is a copy of the original letter- or legal-size page shrunk down to size; Barony's book is 326 pages and SurfWatch's is 376 pages.

Theoretically, I can download the POSs (and revisions thereof) for the MVCI resorts in Orange County, FL and Beaufort County, SC from their county comptroller office. I've done the same for DVC everywhere but Hawaii (which has a bad search utility *and* makes you pay for each doc).

For a while it was possible to obtain the POS from MVC (Owner Modifications) for any of the resorts where you owned Weeks, which would be especially helpful for owners who bought on the external market....

I tried...but didn't get anyone who had the foggiest clue what I was talking about. I could press harder...but honestly pulling them down from comptroller websites seemed easier.

The problem with trying to compare and contrast among all the resorts in MVC's portfolio is that each resort has its own POS...it may have been done in an effort to stem rampant speculation that the DC could and would negatively affect Weeks inventory in blatant non-compliance with rights stipulated in the Weeks governing docs.

Oh...that was the other example I was looking for (see my reply to Dean). I remember reading posts about CC&Rs prohibiting corporations or associations (?!?) from buying up weeks and doing their own inventory management. Which of course is what the DP trust does.

 

[Dean]

Oh...that was the other example I was looking for (see my reply to Dean). I remember reading posts about CC&Rs prohibiting corporations or associations (?!?) from buying up weeks and doing their own inventory management. Which of course is what the DP trust does.

I wouldn't agree the POS precludes the DP program. The intent of what I think you're talking about is to keep someone from buying enough time to monopolize the resort and/or to get sufficient votes to exert control over the resort. DVC has a similar wording though they've tweaked it over the years proving what I said above, that the POS can be easily changed on the management side. All the POS's I've looked at would give the green light to the management company for exchanges which is legally and technically what the DP is not really any different that the Disney or Concierge Collection for DVC.