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More Walgreens in San Francisco Closing due to Retail Theft

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b2bailey said:
About a year ago, while staying at the Donatello, I went to nearby Walgreens and was surprised that the item I wanted was under lock and key. They told me about problem with theft.
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I stayed at the Donatello before, and went to that Walgreens... ONCE. After that one time, I walked a little farther to the closest CVS which is in a much better part of town. Less human feces and urine to step on.
 
From the story, San Francisco city leaders at least pay lip service to the issue. In Seattle people such as the current City Attorney are more likely to say that theft from stores is the store's problem, not the city's problem. And that by getting the police involved in deterring shoplifting, the retailers are attempting to outsource their security costs to the city. And right now, one of the two candidates for new City Attorney, the one who got the most votes in the primary, has stated that she intends to stop prosecution of almost all misdemeanors.
 
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Media hype. I was in SF last weekend for the first time since Covid. I had similar impressions from the last time I was there. I stayed in SOMA and passed through the Mission where you would expect to see feces. I saw no feces, or urine on the street. Although there are homeless, what city doesn't? Number of homeless was about the same as NYC or any large city like Cinncinatti. It looked a lot cleaner since the last time I was there.

I saw a lively vibrant city with many young people working in tech. Many people walking around, on bikes and in parks. I saw neighborhood restaurants and nice outdoor eating pods. If it were unsafe or there were feces on the sidewalk, or homeless overrun why would they have eating pods on the street? :ponder: My DD just moved there to work at a startup. I would have advised her against moving there if I had concerns - I have none that are different than any large city. The entire SOMA area which was formerly urban wasteland is now populated by tech HQs - Uber, Slack, Twitter, Salesforce...
 
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If the chains like Walgreens can't afford to stay open, I really feel sorry for the small business owners. They pay their high taxes and don't get protection from the shoplifters or other crimes. I've recently read several posts in Flyertok and other TUG threads that you can't park on the street near Fisherman's Wharf due to car break-ins.

Cincinnati has its share of homeless and drug/gang shootings, but there only a few areas where you don't feel safe. Police arrest shoplifters and burglars.
 
Superchief said:
I've recently read several posts in Flyertok and other TUG threads that you can't park on the street near Fisherman's Wharf due to car break-ins.
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That's not just fisherman's wharf, its city-wide and been that way for a long time. Even if you don't have anything valuable in site, they will break into your car just to sleep in it
 
troy12n said:
That's not just fisherman's wharf, its city-wide and been that way for a long time. Even if you don't have anything valuable in site, they will break into your car just to sleep in it
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Have you ever been to San Francisco?
 
Superchief said:
Cincinnati has its share of homeless and drug/gang shootings, but there only a few areas where you don't feel safe.
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SF is no different. There are only a few areas where you don't feel safe at night. There are also just as many nutty politicians and quirky laws in flyover country as well. Just look at the hot mess in Texas. Besides:
  • Other than Colorado, I don't hear young people saying they want to live in midwestern and southern states. Where else can a college graduate with zero experience get a job for low 6 figures?
  • I don't see young entrepreneurs around the world flocking to these states to build their tech businesses.
  • I don't see businesses from around the world like Walmart.com. Volvo and Ricoh building innovation centers there.
If it is so bad as you say, then why do they come here?

Lastly, how do we know that the Walgreens story is true or just corporate spin to cover the real reasons they are leaving? Competition is intense here, we have CVS, Rite Aid, Target, Walmart, Kaiser, local pharmacies and grocery stores. Maybe that's the real reason they cannot make money. Their stock would take a hit if it were known they were reducing stores because lower per store profitability is a mark of market saturation and a death spiral. This story is more convenient and won't affect the stock price negatively.
 
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CalGalTraveler said:
SF is no different. There are only a few areas where you don't feel safe at night. There are also just as many nutty politicians and quirky laws in flyover country as well. Just look at the hot mess in Texas. Besides:
  • Other than Colorado, I don't hear young people saying they want to live in flyover states. Where else can a college graduate with zero experience get a job for low 6 figures?
  • I don't see young entrepreneurs around the world flocking to flyover to build their tech businesses.
  • I don't see businesses from around the world like Walmart.com. Volvo and Ricoh building innovation centers in flyover.
If it is so bad as you say, then why do they come here?
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"There are only a few areas where you don't feel safe at night"

meaning that in most places you do feel safe - like in Virginia. plenty of Walgreens and CVS and Rite Aid ....
 
Actually, a lot of young people are moving to the Cincinnati area because there are a lot of job opportunities, housing is affordable, and it is a safe environment to raise their family. The only problem now is that Hamilton County politicians continue to raise property taxes to fund their pet projects so our taxes are higher than many other areas. This has driven home owners to outlying counties.
 
Didn’t another thread just like this dumping on or praising some other states/cities where somebody does or doesn’t live get shut down?

Live where you like and who cares what you think about someplace else.

Time for a sub forum bashing other places where they can be ignored en masse like I do with the COVID Sub Forum. Then anybody can point out how horrible/great someplace is to their heart’s content.

Cheers
 
x3 skier said:
Didn’t another thread just like this dumping on or praising some other states/cities where somebody does or doesn’t live get shut down?

Live where you like and who cares what you think about someplace else.

Time for a sub forum bashing other places where they can be ignored en masse like I do with the COVID Sub Forum. Then anybody can point out how horrible/great someplace is to their heart’s content.

Cheers
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I could not agree with you more. Man, live where you want to live! Respect other's choices. What is the point of tearing down others choices? I really don't understand that at all.

Some of us were born and raised here - it is our home. We have family here. We have raised children here. It's not perfect and we are definitely aware of that fact because we actually live here. But we have good memories and would appreciate folks not bashing our home simply because they don't like it. It's ok to like where you live and not like California. There are places where I could not live (honestly weather related for me) - ever. But some folks live in those states and I will never express my personal opinion about those places because there are people who live there and love it. It is their home and I respect that.

If everyone liked the exact same thing we wouldn't be able to find our car in the parking lot. So thank goodness that there is something for everyone in the US :D
 
b2bailey said:
What is a fly over?
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Generally refers to the "flat" midwestern plains states; east of the Rockies to about Ohio. But for anyone who has never lived anywhere but the coasts, anything between NYC and LA is the prevailing thought :).

Signed,
formerly of Illinois, Missouri and Ohio
 
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I don't blame Walgreens closing to protect their assets. They are in business to make money and not give it away.

I was last in S.F. in 2005 and don't plan on returning. Been there, done that.

Never been to Portland, OR or Seattle, WA and really doubt if I'll ever make it there. Portland, ME is a great city to visit.


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zentraveler said:
Generally refers to the "flat" midwestern plains states; east of the Rockies to about Ohio. But for anyone who has never lived anywhere but the coasts, anything between NYC and LA is the prevailing thought :).

Signed,
formerly of Illinois, Missouri and Ohio
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b2bailey said:
What is a fly over?
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"Fly over" is a term often associated with east and west coast elites to refer to the heartland states. Because those are areas you have to fly over when you are traveling between the places that really matter.

Those who use the term "fly over" generally find the phrase a bit cute. People I know who live in the "fly over" areas find it snobbish and offensive.
 
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T_R_Oglodyte said:
From the story, San Francisco city leaders at least pay lip service to the issue. In Seattle people such as the current City Attorney are more likely to say that theft from stores is the store's problem, not the city's problem. And that by getting the police involved in deterring shoplifting, the retailers are attempting to outsource their security costs to the city. And right now, one of the two candidates for new City Attorney, the one who got the most votes in the primary, has stated that she intends to stop prosecution of almost all misdemeanors.
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Downtown Seattle was such a cool place to hang out. Same with Portland. I have so many good memories of good times working in each of these areas. Our last trips to Seattle or Portland were to visit people in the hospitals. Times have changed. It use to be we saw each other mostly at parties.

Bill
 
easyrider said:
Downtown Seattle was such a cool place to hang out. Same with Portland. I have so many good memories of good times working in each of these areas. Our last trips to Seattle or Portland were to visit people in the hospitals. Times have changed. It use to be we saw each other mostly at parties.

Bill
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I worked from an office in Pioneer Square on the south side of downtown from 1998 - 2002. It was an interesting and enjoyable area. Now much of the area is a nightmare. Many retail businesses in the area keep locked doors; you have to buzz to go inside and browse. Others have closed because they literally cannot find people who are willing to work in the area due to safety concerns.

The King County Courthouse is in the area. Jurors have bailed out of jury duty because of being assaulted and harassed on the way to the courthouse. Citizens called for jury duty who know the situation usually make sure to disqualify themselves in voir dire if they are called to the Seattle courthouse. (Though in the last several months the city finally cleared the homeless encampment in front of the courthouse - but only after a woman was sexually assaulted inside a women's bathroom inside the courthouse building.)
 
Well certainly wasn't using the term to offend anyone. Was simply using it as a shorthand description. The people I know who use the term never viewed the term as offensive. Including those who I know (and family members) who live there.

re: Cincinnati. It likely is more affordable than SF. I am shocked by how much my DD pays in rent, however higher salaries reflect those differences. My father and niece moved to Cincinnati just out of college. They left a few years later because they could not tolerate the weather. I can say the same for my college years in Boston. In the midwest you get those cold crisp sunny days - although cold those days are very pretty and you can cross-country ski etc. In Boston, I didn't see the sun for months - it was depressing. As the song goes, "The snow turned into (sideways) rain"
 
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CalGalTraveler said:
Well certainly wasn't using the term "flyover" to offend anyone.
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All of us unintentionally and without any negative connotation use terms or phrases that other people find offensive. Nothing wrong with that. But I think it's good to know when others might interpret the word or phrase differently, because then I can use it more intelligently.
 
@T_R_Oglodyte Okay makes sense. While we are on the topic of using terms more intelligently, I find the term "Coastal Elite" offensive. It sounds like something a politician has spun because every politician needs a villain (usually imaginary) for them to slay. It sparks emotion to get votes. We are all getting played.

Of course if one believes the news (not directing this at you T_R_Oglodyte), California is either overrun with rich "elites" or homeless and illegal immigrants who steal and make everywhere unsafe - a wasteland - as one prior poster mentioned. Which is it? :ponder:
 
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