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So, I just placed my first Instacart order from my local Publix. It’s supposed to arrive within 5 hours. Since this is my first order, I noticed there is a markup on each individual item plus the delivery fee. Dumb question, should I still tip and how much? I have no problem tipping, I just don’t know the protocol for grocery delivery. Thanks in advance for your responses.


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I try to be generous with tips, usually at least 20%. Your shopper does not get anything from the markups or delivery fee. They rely on tips plus they are now working on the frontline to keep us safer. They deserve to be taken care of.
 

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Sorry for chuckling, but this SO sounds like some of my relatives. They can't do something, so it automatically MUST be a bad thing. They never bother to figure out WHY they couldn't do it, and they complain long and loud to anyone and evryone why "that" is a terrible item/product/process/whatever. When pressed about exactly what was so terrible about it, they can't seem to bring up any specifics. My sister is family-famous for doing that. Certain brands of computers and cell phones are among her biggest gripes. "You don't want to buy that, it's a piece of crap!" And on and on. :)

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Are you sure your sil and my sil are not the same?

When we were looking at places to buy here in Santa Fe she kept telling us we'd never find a one story house (that was a must for us). Then she said we'd never find a one story house with a view. Now, I love their house, but wouldn't want to live in it. It's two story with killer stairs (curved and concrete) that go from the top level where the kitchen and living area are to the bottom level where the bedrooms are. They do have a gorgeous view, and that is the reason they bought that house. Right around the corner from there some friends of theirs, and now ours live. One story house, with a gorgeous view. We found quite a few one story houses. We don't have as spectacular a view as they do, but we like it just fine. And guess what, they are now talking about selling their house and getting into a single level.
 

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Thank goodness county-run liquor stores are essential in Maryland!
 

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I think the liquor stores remain open because the last thing the health system needs is a bunch of folks suddenly going through detox all at once.
 

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We tried home delivery from the grocery stores here in our city, but none of them had any available delivery times. Then we tried ordering online for pick up, and we only got about 1/2 of the items on our list (and no, we didn't have TP, wipes, etc. on our list; just "normal" grocery items). That forced us to make a couple of trips to different stores.

Those of you that say we should all just stay locked inside our homes and use delivery are simply out of touch with the reality of the situation in many places.

Kurt
 

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I think the liquor stores remain open because the last thing the health system needs is a bunch of folks suddenly going through detox all at once.
Liquor stores were just deemed non-essential in New Mexico. Gosh, where will be go???? Grocery stores, drug stores, gas stations, and even some wineries are selling.

They didn't stop the sale of alcohol, just one of the distributors.
 
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I had to take my sister (who is staying with us right now) to pick up a prescription this afternoon. I figured while we were in the car I'd swing by Home Depot on the way home, which is near the pharmacy. My intention was that if it was quiet, I'd run in and grab some bedding plants. As I drove into the parking lot, there was an entry line of about fifty people waiting to get in. That was surprising.

We didn't stop. But as I was driving out of the parking lot, I saw several people wheeling cartloads of plants toward their cars. I've decided tomorrow morning I'll go there right after they open, and there is no line, I'll get the bedding plants I'm after, and get out. Since they have self-check at this HD, I shouldn't have to interact with anyone.

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We have not used any "personal shopper" type grocery delivery like Instacart. For us, using online store works well for us. We tried Farmboxdirect - terrible, NOT recommended, last week and we were forced by their system to take another delivery this week even though we cancelled their service. Anyway it was expensive but we can live with the quality and lack of options. We are looking forward to getting our produce from imperfectfoods next week. We are getting our meat from Butcherbox and Stockyards which are both very good. All non-perishables come from Costco, Amazon, Walmart and Target. When it comes time for more eggs and milk, a golf course restaurant near us is selling lots of stuff - meat, milk, eggs etc and we will order a curbside pickup from them. If we have to SIP-SAH for another year, I think we can continue to do this!
 

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I think if this continues for another year, we will all be:
1) working in healthcare, or the production of medicine, PPE, etc.
or
2) working in the production and distribution of food
or
3) working in government, law, or basic banking

Because I think that will be all that will be left of the economy by then.
 

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Plants are essential to sanity.
We believe shopping for Garden/Yard Products is essential. It gets you working outside in good weather
Gardening has been proven to have actual therapeutic properties. I don't understand WHY the USA cannot wrap their heads around the FACT mental health is just as important as physical health. I too have been itching to get to my garden-local nursery will do the order/pay online and load it for you so why not? It gives me a sense of security to know I have food growing for my family. If you are already in a store, know what you need does it REALLY make that big of a difference if you have 5 items to scan vs 3?
I think if this continues for another year
I think if this isolation stuff continues for a year you will see major civil unrest and high death tolls not directly caused by the virus. It is simply NOT realistic.
 

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I think @VacationForever is saying she will be having her own Shelter in Place for the next year. Hopefully, the world will start trying to return to some semblance of the new “normal” before then.
 

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I think if this continues for another year, we will all be:
1) working in healthcare, or the production of medicine, PPE, etc.
or
2) working in the production and distribution of food
or
3) working in government, law, or basic banking

Because I think that will be all that will be left of the economy by then.
Or most likely, not working. :(

Kurt
 

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Gardening has been proven to have actual therapeutic properties. I don't understand WHY the USA cannot wrap their heads around the FACT mental health is just as important as physical health. I too have been itching to get to my garden-local nursery will do the order/pay online and load it for you so why not? It gives me a sense of security to know I have food growing for my family. If you are already in a store, know what you need does it REALLY make that big of a difference if you have 5 items to scan vs 3?
I think if this isolation stuff continues for a year you will see major civil unrest and high death tolls not directly caused by the virus. It is simply NOT realistic.

I agree that mental health is just as important as physical health but I have been attacked for saying that. People say that staying alive is more important now. There are going to be many mental health problems due to the virus itself, the loss of jobs, lack of food, small business bankruptcies and many other problems caused by the virus, SIP/SAH and all the shut downs. In fact, domestic violence and child abuse rates are going up due to families being stuck at home together.
 

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I think @VacationForever is saying she will be having her own Shelter in Place for the next year. Hopefully, the world will start trying to return to some semblance of the new “normal” before then.
I certainly hope so as well, but what truly scares me are the people (some who are major influencers to the powers that be) who think we need absolutely zero new cases everywhere before we even consider starting to relax the SIP orders. I think the likelihood of that is low, but it is certainly non-zero; and with all that has happened in the last couple of months, nothing surprises me anymore.

Kurt
 

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We tried home delivery from the grocery stores here in our city, but none of them had any available delivery times. Then we tried ordering online for pick up, and we only got about 1/2 of the items on our list (and no, we didn't have TP, wipes, etc. on our list; just "normal" grocery items). That forced us to make a couple of trips to different stores.

Those of you that say we should all just stay locked inside our homes and use delivery are simply out of touch with the reality of the situation in many places.

Kurt

We got our delivery in about 4 hours. The store was out of a couple of items. The substitute was available for one of them and the other we had instructed the shopper not to get a substitute. It worked great. Obviously, it is more costly than running to the store ourselves, but we got what we needed and greatly reduced our risk of being exposed to covid-19 so we were happy. I tipped about 15% because that’s all the additional cash we had on-hand. I thought I could update the tip using the app but it isn’t allowing me to. I’ll figure it out next time.


Harry
 

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I think @VacationForever is saying she will be having her own Shelter in Place for the next year. Hopefully, the world will start trying to return to some semblance of the new “normal” before then.
Yep. SIP only for my husband and I. :LOL: My point is that we realize that we don't need to eat out which we used to everyday and we don't need to go to brick and mortar stores because online stores can take care of our needs. We are also eating better than ever because we have more time at home and I am trying out lots of new recipes. We do have an outlet currently, which is golf. It gets us out and we remain healthy with moderate physical activity. If they close the golf course our tune may be very different.
 

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I think if this isolation stuff continues for a year you will see major civil unrest and high death tolls not directly caused by the virus. It is simply NOT realistic.

In Oregon Police are responding to a lot more domestic violence cases in the last 2 or 3 weeks.
 

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I think if this continues for another year, we will all be:
1) working in healthcare, or the production of medicine, PPE, etc.
or
2) working in the production and distribution of food
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3) working in government, law, or basic banking

Because I think that will be all that will be left of the economy by then.

It is great being retired and paid not to work. I am sure Dave would agree.
 

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It seems like many Tuggers are either retired or upper middle class and able to work from home.
 

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In Oregon Police are responding to a lot more domestic violence cases in the last 2 or 3 weeks.

I'd expect even more of that sort of thing in places like NYC, where apartments and such are so much smaller. Even at my house here, which isn't huge, but it's two floors, we three (me, my spouse, and my sister), are spending the majority of our time in different rooms. No specific reason, except that way we can each watch what we want on TV. We aren't fighting, but that may be the reason why. :)

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It is great being retired and paid not to work. I am sure Dave would agree.

I can't disagree. But it's a heck of way to start my retirement. Yesterday marked three weeks since I officially retired. I keep making the joke that my whole life I couldn't wait to be retired so I could do anything I wanted to, and now that it's here, I can't! :D

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There is a reason I am so adamant about people staying home and only going out for food, medications and items directly related to health and safety. Many of us have been asked to make great sacrifices by shutting down our livelihood, resulting in mass unemployment and loss of income to pay for essentials. Laid off people are starving and waiting in hours long lines at food banks. Domestic violence and child abuse is increasing due to the SIP/SAH orders. It bothers me to see so many people going out for gardening and other items that can wait until the SIP/SAH is over. If we are being asked to stay home to flatten the curve, then everyone should do what the so-called experts are asking us to do. If we are all in this together, then people should be all in, even if you think a little extra shopping or an extra trip won‘t hurt anyone. I have made sacrifices for the common good, even though I do not agree with how the government is handling this. I do not see why making a few sacrifices like waiting to buy gardening supplies is so difficult. I agree mental health is as important as physical health but the shut downs are deteriorating mental health. It seems like the government has chosen physical health over mental health with its decisions. Mental health has not stopped the government from ordering shut downs. Tuggers have said lives are more important than profits so why are people resisting delaying immediate gratification for the common good?
 

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There is a reason I am so adamant about people staying home and only going out for food, medications and items directly related to health and safety. Many of us have been asked to make great sacrifices by shutting down our livelihood, resulting in mass unemployment and loss of income to pay for essentials. Laid off people are starving and waiting in hours long lines at food banks. Domestic violence and child abuse is increasing due to the SIP/SAH orders. It bothers me to see so many people going out for gardening and other items that can wait until the SIP/SAH is over. If we are being asked to stay home to flatten the curve, then everyone should do what the so-called experts are asking us to do. If we are all in this together, then people should be all in, even if you think a little extra shopping or an extra trip won‘t hurt anyone. I have made sacrifices for the common good, even though I do not agree with how the government is handling this. I do not see why making a few sacrifices like waiting to buy gardening supplies is so difficult. I agree mental health is as important as physical health but the shut downs are deteriorating mental health. It seems like the government has chosen physical health over mental health with its decisions. Mental health has not stopped the government from ordering shut downs. Tuggers have said lives are more important than profits so why are people resisting delaying immediate gratification for the common good?

I fully understand and appreciate your position. You are one of the business owners who are being directly affected in a negative way. I am very sorry you are being put into that position by the government.

But the question remains, if I am at a store that is selling "essential" goods for a legitimately essential reason, and the store is completely open for business throughout the storefront without restriction, their staff (even if it's fewer people) is already on the clock, and they are standing around waiting for my business, is it wrong for me to spend a few extra minutes selecting a few nonessential items so I can spend more money in that store? It doesn't have to be gardening plants. It could just as easily be a gallon of paint, or a box of floor tile. Does that really matter?

I started this thread to ask that basic question: Is it wrong to buy something that might be considered non-essential if I am at a store to get something essential? And the implied second question is: If the answer is Yes, then WHY is it wrong? If the guy standing in the paint department at Home Depot isn't selling enough paint, they're going to cut his hours. So he will also be forced out of work. Where do you draw the line? If I spend fifteen minutes in the store or twenty, does it really make a difference?

Not trying to be argumentative here. I'm trying to legitimately understand how or why it would make a difference, in the case of stores like Home Depot. It's not like I'm sitting at home thinking "Where can I go today?" It's not like that. I have been sitting at home for over three weeks, and i've left home four times, (I think?) And the only places I've gone is Costco, Safeway, Home Depot, and my sister's Pharmacy today. it's not like I'm prowling the streets looking for something to do. :D

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Tonight we got the news that our governor has decide to shutdown all golf courses. Now we really have to figure out what we are going to do besides getting on our elliptical and exercise bike each day. There are so many people walking in our community that social distancing is suspect in alot of times.
 
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I try to be generous with tips, usually at least 20%. Your shopper does not get anything from the markups or delivery fee. They rely on tips plus they are now working on the frontline to keep us safer. They deserve to be taken care of.
I didn't think that 100% of what they make is just from tips? I thought they also got paid based on number of items in a batch and also the number of batches (orders) they fulfill and miles driven. So they aren't relaying 100% on tips. That would mean they are getting at least some slice from the the markup and delivery fee, no?
 
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