Marriott Week & Asia Pacific Points / Bali and Australia Points Info

[vol_90]

Okay, so Bali Points are affiliated with the Nusa Dua Terrace only, but can be used for any intervals in the Abound Exchange Company? I'm assuming (I know, I know!) that the Australia Points are similarly affiliated with only the Surfers Paradise - Gold Coast resort, and that they can also be used in the Abound Exchange Company?

No Weeks were sold at either of these two resorts, right?

With either/both, is there a one-to-one ratio for owned Points when using the Abound Exchange Company? Or, what is the exchange rate?

My understanding is that Bali points are affiliated with the Nusa Dua Terrace only and can be used the same as Abound / Asia Pacific / Australia points for booking MVCI resorts. Correct no weeks sold in Bali or Australia.

The Asia Pacific Club points program was established (not sure exactly when 2008/2009?) with inventory from the following properties:

Bangkok Empire Place
Mai Khao Beach Club
Phuket Beach Club
Ko Olina Beach Club
Waiohai Beach Club
Grand Chateau
Surfer's Paradise
Nusa Dua Gardens

For properties that sold weeks (Phuket Beach Club, Ko Olina, Waiohai and Grand Chateau) they allocated unsold inventory (for Phuket Beach Club is was all unsold weeks but not sure for the others) to the AP Club to generate some of the AP points inventory. For Surfer's Paradise this looks to be split between Australia points and what was allocated to the AP Club to sell as AP points.

There used to be a difference in AP Point values required to book Ko Olina, Waiohai and Grand Chateau where the point charts had a section for Club Properties vs. Exchange Properties. Looking at the 2023 / 2024 point charts there is no longer a difference.

EDIT. There are different point charts / view availability on the vacationclubap.com website for Club Properties vs. Exchange Properties:

 

[bazzap]

With the interntaional resorts, they had no method to add the resorts to the MVC US based trust recorded in Florida. Each resort would be its own system with whatever legal structure they are allow to setup there. With all of them being in different countries, we see different systems. Costa Rica is selling weeks, but Bali is selling points and Surfers Paradise is again another point system. AP again another, but aren't there both points and weeks at Phuket? There are also weeks in the European resorts. MVC attempts to bring this all together with Abound MVC Exchange Program.

Do AP/Bali/Australia provide any kind of home resort priority? Certainly if one owns one of these systems they can book into those system and only give up their use rights if they book something through the Abound point program.

Of the 2 Phuket resorts
Phuket Beach Club was sold as a Weeks based product from 2001
following the introduction of the AP Points programme in 2006, all unsold inventory was conveyed to AP, so now 30+% inventory is AP
Mai Khao Beach resort was only ever available as a Points based product.
I am not sure about the benefits available to AP / Bali / Australia Points owners, others may comment but there are certainly some unique benefits for higher level owners such as complimentary airport transfer when booking with Points.

 

[dioxide45]

My understanding is that Bali points are affiliated with the Nusa Dua Terrace only

What about the new property in Bali (Nusa Dua Gardens)?

 

[Fasttr]

What about the new property in Bali (Nusa Dua Gardens)?

Terrace is the new one. Gardens is the old one, and per vol_90's post above, Gardens is part of Asia Pacific Points program.

 

[bazzap]

What about the new property in Bali (Nusa Dua Gardens)?

Nusa Dua Gardens was the original Bali resort and comes under the “Bali Plan”
Nusa Dua Terrace is the new Bali resort and comes under the “Bali NDT Plan”
You might have expected them both to be based on Bali Points, but it does seem that these were just introduced with Nusa Dua Terrace opening.

 

[vol_90]

Additional info from the vacationclubap.com website to show the various Clubs (4) and which properties participate in the inventory of each club. The documents and notices on the website details what each timeshare property allocates to each club.

 

[vol_90]

Terrace is the new one. Gardens is the old one, and per vol_90's post above, Gardens is part of Asia Pacific Points program.

Per the legal documents Bali Nusa Dua Gardens is part of Asia Pacific ("10 Two-Bedroom apartments, some of which can be used separately as 1-bedrooms and guestrooms"), Australia ("18 Two Bedroom apartments at Marriott’s Bali Nusa Dua Gardens. Certain of these apartments may be locked-off and used as a One Bedroom apartment and studio guestroom") and Bali Nusa Dua Gardens ("twenty-three (23) units contained in two (2) buildings at Marriott’s Bali Nusa Dua Gardens (thirteen (13) units contained in building 9 and ten (10) units contained in building 7").

 

[Venter]

Nusa Dua Gardens was the original Bali resort and comes under the “Bali Plan”
Nusa Dua Terrace is the new Bali resort and comes under the “Bali NDT Plan”
You might have expected them both to be based on Bali Points, but it does seem that these were just introduced with Nusa Dua Terrace opening.

Looks like they took a page out of Vistana's book. Westin Nanea is the newest property and only selling Nanea Flex points where one would have thought they would put it into Westin Flex.

 

[dioxide45]

Looks like they took a page out of Vistana's book. Westin Nanea is the newest property and only selling Nanea Flex points where one would have thought they would put it into Westin Flex.

A number of units at Nanea were put into Westin Flex. The problem seems to be once inventory was added to the Nanea Trust, they either didn't want to or couldn't then move them again into the Westin Flex or Abound Trusts.

 

[dioxide45]

Can you even buy points at Nusa Dua Gardens, or is it only through AP?

 

[MALC9990]

Thanks Sean.
This is definitely surprising.
Every indication previously had been that the reason MVC would now only sell AP points to existing AP points owners was that the could sell Bali points to new owners with a higher MF more in line with Abound points.
If this is not the case, it is less easy to understand why they will no longer sell AP points to new owners.

I think the underlying reason that AP Point sales are restricted to existing AP points members is inventory availability backing those points. In the sales office they have fewer AP points to sell than Bali Points and so restricting sales to existing members is an effective way of driving new prospects to Bali Points.

 

[killacam725]

Hi I just sat through a presentation at Phuket MVC and wanted to understand what is the disadvantage of buying the NDT points other than possibly having to pay higher management fees? As a newbie I wasn’t even aware of the differ point clubs.


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[vol_90]

Hi I just sat through a presentation at Phuket MVC and wanted to understand what is the disadvantage of buying the NDT points other than possibly having to pay higher management fees? As a newbie I wasn’t even aware of the differ point clubs.


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Disadvantage is buying from Marriott directly vs. resale. The difference in MF's is not significant at this time (2024 AP @ $0.4596 vs Bali @ $0.46208) unless you purchase Abound points with MF's of $0.78748.

 

[killacam725]

Disadvantage is buying from Marriott directly vs. resale. The difference in MF's is not significant at this time (2024 AP @ $0.4596 vs Bali @ $0.46208) unless you purchase Abound points with MF's of $0.78748.

So basically because NDT is new - there is no ‘resale’ points. Hence have to buy from Marriott directly (until it gets to scale) .

Is there anything else I’m giving up like priority access to bookings and etc or is NDT the same as AP when it comes to booking properties.

Lastly, in the presentation they mentioned that secondary market purchases get less access ie. Interval International etc. Any truths to this or just sales talk.

Ultimately as I’m based in Asia this is the only timeshare I’m considering as wife is also lifetime Platinum elite so there’s loyalty to bonvoy


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[vol_90]

So basically because NDT is new - there is no ‘resale’ points. Hence have to buy from Marriott directly (until it gets to scale) .

Is there anything else I’m giving up like priority access to bookings and etc or is NDT the same as AP when it comes to booking properties.

Lastly, in the presentation they mentioned that secondary market purchases get less access ie. Interval International etc. Any truths to this or just sales talk.

Ultimately as I’m based in Asia this is the only timeshare I’m considering as wife is also lifetime Platinum elite so there’s loyalty to bonvoy


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There are lots of Asia Pacific Points available on the resale market. I believe the only thing you lose when purchasing resale is the ability to convert the AP / NDT points to Bonvoy points which is one of the worst uses of vacation club points. Secondary market purchases get the same access to inventory / interval. This is a tactic that most sales people use when discussing resale purchases.

 

[purefct1]

I realize I'm a bit late to this thread, but ... I have a friend who purchased resale AP contracts when he didn't own any.

So I believe at a minimum, per my friend, a person residing in the USA can't buy resale AP (or at least if they aren't already an AP member) but everyone else CAN, as long as they have a non USA address, even if it's their first AP resale purchase.

What you CAN'T do is transfer AP use year points to another owner who doesn't have an AP contract. All owner to owner use year points transfers must be between the same type of points (Abound/Abound, AP/AP, etc)

 

[jbman]

I realize I'm a bit late to this thread, but ... I have a friend who purchased resale AP contracts when he didn't own any.

So I believe at a minimum, per my friend, a person residing in the USA can't buy resale AP (or at least if they aren't already an AP member) but everyone else CAN, as long as they have a non USA address, even if it's their first AP resale purchase.

What you CAN'T do is transfer AP use year points to another owner who doesn't have an AP contract. All owner to owner use year points transfers must be between the same type of points (Abound/Abound, AP/AP, etc)

So I guess that would mean if you live in Canada you could buy resale AP points?

 

[purefct1]

I think so,

So I guess that would mean if you live in Canada you could buy resale AP points?

I think so, my friend lives in Australia and Asia. I'm thinking of trying a purchase since I live in Costa Rica.

 

[ljmiii]

So as I try to understand all of this...

The Thailand Properties (Bangkok Empire Place, Mai Khao Phuket, and Phuket Beach Club) are in the Asia Pacific points program and only in the AP program. And I can't buy AP Points anymore since I have a US address...but there are no booking advantages to using AP points over Abound Points anyway. Correct?

 

[vol_90]

So as I try to understand all of this...

The Thailand Properties (Bangkok Empire Place, Mai Khao Phuket, and Phuket Beach Club) are in the Asia Pacific points program and only in the AP program. And I can't buy AP Points anymore since I have a US address...but there are no booking advantages to using AP points over Abound Points anyway. Correct?

Correct on Thailand properties being only in the AP Points program (Phuket does have weeks owners, while Empire Place and Mai Khao were only sold as points). As far as I'm aware only existing US AP Point owners can purchase additional points while any new owners must purchase the Bali points. In November 2023 as an existing AP point owner I purchased 1,000 points to enroll 2 Phuket Beach Club weeks. I have had no issues combining AP & Abound points to book a reservation.

 

[jbman]

Does anyone know if these AP Points have the same $3 junk fee as the Abound Points?

 

[bazzap]

Does anyone know if these AP Points have the same $3 junk fee as the Abound Points?

No they don’t.

 

[dioxide45]

Is the purchase restriction just on direct points? Can a non existing AP owner who is a US resident purchase resale AP points?