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Marriott Timeshares - What and where is the best long term value for a Timeshare purchase?

Things have changed. Best advice is to just go to Redweek and rent the weeks you want when you want.
You will usually rent them for the annual maintenance fee, and even in certain cases when it is higher, it
will probably work out much less expensive in the long run.

Most timeshare weeks are worth nothing, so whatever you pay is wasted.
Points are even worse.
Things have changed. Best advice is to just go to Redweek and rent the weeks you want when you want.
You will usually rent them for the annual maintenance fee, and even in certain cases when it is higher, it
will probably work out much less expensive in the long run.

Most timeshare weeks are worth nothing, so whatever you pay is wasted.
Points are even worse.
Marriott properties on Redweek rent in summer months for much higher than the annual maintenance fees but still much less than renting directly from Marriott. In most cases owners want to cover their maintenance fees and make some profit.
 
How do you define value?
Are you talking strictly money, or does ease of booking and getting exactly what you want play into value?

Fees for everything in the universe are going to rise (hopefully your paycheck does too).
There is no guarantee that you will get the reservation that you want 100% of the time- be it booking your home resort, using points or exchanging on II or skipping ownership and renting. Learning exactly how and when to book will increase you chances of satisfaction.

I own an enrolled lockoff week (purchased direct 15 years ago) and some points.
The best monetary value for my week is to lock off and exchange on II to other MVC with no exchange fee- 2 weeks of vacation for my maintence fee (about $1900) and abound club fee ($240). So I get 14 nights for $2300 ($165/ night) (not counting initial investment which was so long ago I feel we have made up for it).
But the maintenance fees do increase, and I have to invest time and effort to get the exchanges and there is no guarantee on view with an II exchange.

Some times something else is more valuable to us than cost- we might want a view, or a different number of nights. In those cases having points is great.

If you are just starting out a resale lockoff bought inexpensively might be the way to go. If you learn how to use II well even with paying exchange fees when you factor in the low initial investment that can give a good monetary value. But you have to be able accept the restriction- no view choice, booking weeks, dealing with II.

I don’t think there is one answer to your query- it’s individual.
I bought a Gold period resale in 2012 for $2500, rented it out every summer at a profit and recently sold it for $3500. It seems I am one of the lucky ones! I did not buy it for resale or even for rentals but it turned out that way.
 
Another thing to keep in mind is that if you want to book with points rather than just buying and using weeks is that your MVC Ownership level matters. At 4000 points you can book 7+ nights at 13 months and at 7000 points you can book 1+ nights at 13 months. Which matters rather a lot if you want to book at 'hard to get' locations.
Just one slight clarification - if you own less than 4000 points, you can still book 7+ nights at 13 months. You just must pay an extra 20% points premium to book between 13 months and 12 months. The premium goes away at 12 months. If you own more than 4000 points you can book at 13 months without a premium.
 
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I like the idea of owning weeks at beach places if I would be using them for myself (or renting) AND they could not be acquired through trading in Interval. I wouldn't be renting an Interval trade of course, but I think if your true goal is to rent then you are running your numbers based on that alone. I really don't want to pay 2K in MF for something that I'm going to use to exchange to something else in Interval. But if my plan is to rent it at 5K a week then that purchase starts to make sense.

I don't suspect my Grand Chateau weeks would rent for much, but they get me Interval trades into properties that have a very high MF in comparison, so I see a lot of value in that. I like to own in desert places because I am risk adverse -- I don't want to pay for repairs after a hurricane for instance.

I like staying in Palm Desert but there is so much availability in Interval, I haven't felt the need to own there. If I wanted Newport Coast in Summer, then I would own there for sure. I am rambling now, but maybe it illustrates the highly personal nature of developing a timeshare portfolio. We all have different needs, budgets and comfort level with the idea of renting or exchanging. I do like your idea overall, but I think there can be value to having some cheaper traders too, maybe even a gold season week somewhere if it works to pull what you want in Interval (especially if you can pick it up for free on TUG).
Marriott Desert Spring Villas high season week has maximum 150 TDI value in Interval, Grand Chateau has less TDI in comparison. Do you think that would make a big difference in getting Interval exchanges you looking for in high season as well? Just contemplating between GC and Desert Spring Villas if I decide to buy one as a trader.
 
Marriott Desert Spring Villas high season week has maximum 150 TDI value in Interval, Grand Chateau has less TDI in comparison. Do you think that would make a big difference in getting Interval exchanges you looking for in high season as well? Just contemplating between GC and Desert Spring Villas if I decide to buy one as a trader.
Sorry, I can't answer that question. I extensively test trade with my units to figure out what they are each capable of getting. I don't have any experience with searching with DSV1 or 2. If you can find an owner who has what you are consider buying, ask them to check a bulk deposit for you of high-value weeks (like a Ko Olina deposit for instance).
 
Marriott Desert Spring Villas high season week has maximum 150 TDI value in Interval, Grand Chateau has less TDI in comparison. Do you think that would make a big difference in getting Interval exchanges you looking for in high season as well? Just contemplating between GC and Desert Spring Villas if I decide to buy one as a trader.
Interval - You could pick one of the higher TDI weeks on Interval. Grand Chateau is a bit different in that there seems to be a pretty consistent demand for the property throughout the year. I pick pretty good TDI weeks when I reserve my owned weeks and have done fine with exchanges.
 
Sorry, I can't answer that question. I extensively test trade with my units to figure out what they are each capable of getting. I don't have any experience with searching with DSV1 or 2. If you can find an owner who has what you are consider buying, ask them to check a bulk deposit for you of high-value weeks (like a Ko Olina deposit for instance).
Thank you. The weeks you are able to find with your GC look really great. Thanks for sharing all your finds with Marriott preference :)
 
Marriott Desert Spring Villas high season week has maximum 150 TDI value in Interval, Grand Chateau has less TDI in comparison. Do you think that would make a big difference in getting Interval exchanges you looking for in high season as well? Just contemplating between GC and Desert Spring Villas if I decide to buy one as a trader.
Be aware that TDI is not standardized so you really can't compare the numbers for the 2 areas. TDI is only accurate in comparing from weeks on the SAME chart.
 
Be aware that TDI is not standardized so you really can't compare the numbers for the 2 areas. TDI is only accurate in comparing from weeks on the SAME chart.
Yes, I understand. I’m just saying that TDI is one of the factors Interval is using to determine the trading power. There is no way to know how much difference does it really make unless you can test the trading power. Would Elite Marriott resort with maximum TDI of 150 see all availabilities for exchange on Interval?
 
Would Elite Marriott resort with maximum TDI of 150 see all availabilities for exchange on Interval?
No, because that isn't the only factor for Trading power. Unit size matters a decent amount as does the supply and demand for the location.
I would expect a 2-bed MVC Elite Hawaii TDI 150 week to see almost everything that is available, including larger units that require a unit size upgrade fee, but an Orlando 2-bed MVC elite week probably not.

It also varies over time with the supply and demand factors and earliness of deposit, and possibly age of deposit. Somewhere deep down in the system is also manual intervention, so it isn't always formulaic.

Its a bit early to tell, but they may also have recently adjusted the inventory available via e-plus. There seem to be more credible reports of variations on what can be seen with e-plus vs unexchanged deposit for DVC Orlando resorts.

The finer points of needing the highest Trading Power hinge on what you are wanting to exchange into. If you are consistently after high TDI, larger units at popular locations then buying there is likely to be better than relying on II. If you can be flexible and travel out of the highest peak dates and aren't needing to get size upgrades then most of the "traders" will get you there.
 
Yes, I understand. I’m just saying that TDI is one of the factors Interval is using to determine the trading power. There is no way to know how much difference does it really make unless you can test the trading power. Would Elite Marriott resort with maximum TDI of 150 see all availabilities for exchange on Interval?
Maybe this is wording and I'm not trying to nit pick, but II doesn't use TDI to determine trade power. They do use the underlying demand as a PORTION of the trade power formula along with unit size and lead time to deposit. From what I've been able to gather, they use resort quality as a qualifier rather than simply part of the trade power but I wouldn't be surprised if resort quality were also included in trade power. It is my understanding that TDI is simply an indicator of relative demand between weeks for a given resort(s) that are all on the same chart.

Realize that a TDI of 150 in LV or Orlando is not a high quality trader in terms of simply trade power. I doubt any deposit sees every available week partly because a high quality deposit is often not going to see the lower rated options. It seems you're thinking to TDI and trade power as absolute and I'd suggest it's simply relative. The reason this works well for MVC is the internal trade preference.
 
Marriott Desert Spring Villas high season week has maximum 150 TDI value in Interval, Grand Chateau has less TDI in comparison. Do you think that would make a big difference in getting Interval exchanges you looking for in high season as well? Just contemplating between GC and Desert Spring Villas if I decide to buy one as a trad
One important thing to remember is all deposited units are not just sitting there in inventory- you can’t test to see if you have the trading power for Crystal Shores if there are none available in inventory.

Long time trader here with a lowly Harbour lake gold and my advice is book the highest TDI week in your season that will allow you to place your request 12-13 months in advance when MVC owners begin to deposit. Don’t wait 3 weeks to get a 5 point higher TDI.
The early bird catches the worm.
MVC priority helps also.
Yes, I understand. I’m just saying that TDI is one of the factors Interval is using to determine the trading power. There is no way to know how much difference does it really make unless you can test the trading power. Would Elite Marriott resort with maximum TDI of 150 see all availabilities for exchange on Interval?
It Is generally believed that some resorts have better trading power than others- Maui will have more than an elite 150 Orlando and in head to head competition for a unit by request Maui would get it. Supply and demand rewards scarcity.
But that doesn’t mean that Orlando can’t match if it is highest trading power request for an available unit or that you couldn’t exchange if what you wanted turned up in general inventory.
That is why it’s important to request early for exposure to maximum deposits.

I don’t think either of the resorts you are considering and in short supply. I would go for whichever makes the best financial sense.
 
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Marriott Desert Spring Villas high season week has maximum 150 TDI value in Interval, Grand Chateau has less TDI in comparison. Do you think that would make a big difference in getting Interval exchanges you looking for in high season as well? Just contemplating between GC and Desert Spring Villas if I decide to buy one as a trader.

I only own the GC but from what I hear, the DSV Platinum trades very well. There are some advantages to the GC that as nothing to do with the direct trading comparisons. The GC has a 51 week platinum season, this helps if you have another platinum Marriott and you want to get a 13 month window into a reservation. It can work for ether a ski season or beach season. The MF on the GC is lower than the on the DSV. Lastly, the GC is a little less to purchase.

The the plus side for the DSV, the GC is a really shitty renter. Platinum DSV has rental value. I do not think this is a big deal given the trade value but if it plays any part for you, this is an FYI. My wife and I have been to DSV twice during Christmas in the last 6 years. Other than for work, I have not been to Vegas in 25 years. So though it is a trader, if you might visit one over the other, that can play a small part.
 
I struggle to get what I want with points and I am biased against the points program
You've mentioned your difficulty booking with points before, which is just the opposite of our experience. I presume it's because we are trying to book different things. Could you refresh my memory on what places/seasons you've had difficulty booking? I'm assuming you were trying to book at either the 13-month or 12-month release, as booking a lot of places can be hard if you wait much after these key dates.
 
I only own the GC but from what I hear, the DSV Platinum trades very well. There are some advantages to the GC that as nothing to do with the direct trading comparisons. The GC has a 51 week platinum season, this helps if you have another platinum Marriott and you want to get a 13 month window into a reservation. It can work for ether a ski season or beach season. The MF on the GC is lower than the on the DSV. Lastly, the GC is a little less to purchase.

The the plus side for the DSV, the GC is a really shitty renter. Platinum DSV has rental value. I do not think this is a big deal given the trade value but if it plays any part for you, this is an FYI. My wife and I have been to DSV twice during Christmas in the last 6 years. Other than for work, I have not been to Vegas in 25 years. So though it is a trader, if you might visit one over the other, that can play a small part.
If I buy for example 1 week EOY at GC and another 1 week EOY at let's say DSV does it count as owning 2 Marriott weeks so it would give me 13 month reservation window instead of 12 month?
 
If I buy for example 1 week EOY at GC and another 1 week EOY at let's say DSV does it count as owning 2 Marriott weeks so it would give me 13 month reservation window instead of 12 month?
Yes as long as they can be booked concurrently or consecutively and you actually reserve as such.
 
I'm talking my book but if you want something to buy resale i doubt there is something that has held value better than the Marriot Maui Ocean Club Lahaina Villas - fixed weeks only! The resale value has not gone down in the last 10 years, if anything has gone up. However i was deeply bummed about the recent increase in MF's. It is really chewing into my margins. For numbers, i'm renting 2 bed ocean front for $6k, but paying now something like $4k in MF. It started at something like $2.2k 12 years ago. Easy to check out rental numbers and resale values on Redweek. I never figured out point systems nor the exchange programs.
 
However i was deeply bummed about the recent increase in MF's. It is really chewing into my margins. For numbers, i'm renting 2 bed ocean front for $6k, but paying now something like $4k in MF. It started at something like $2.2k 12 years ago.
Then should you not increase your prices? That is what other businesses do when costs go up. Last time I looked, Marriott rents what you own for over $9k per week on Marriott.com. You probably can’t get what they do because they benefit from the Marriott reservation system and brand, but why not increase your price to $7k to protect your margins? If your answer is, “I can’t do that because Redweek won’t be able to rent my week because others are cheaper,” then that seems to me like a basic flaw in the whole Redweek business model. If it’s so competitive that you have no pricing power to respond to cost increases, then that seems like a basic flaw in the business. If someone has a premium product to sell, they should sell it at Nieman Marcus, not Walmart.
 
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I suggest that you be intentional in what weeks you buy. I bought 2 St Thomas weeks from Marriott that I can elect points and never do. The salesman told me to never trade them because they were too valuable as rentals. Then I purchased 8 different resale weeks in resorts that I loved but I made sure they would rent for at least $1000 more than the maintenance fees. Last year we used 5 weeks, rented 5 weeks and I had more than enough to pay maintenance on all 10. If you buy good renters, high maintenance fees won’t bother you so much if you can’t use them for whatever reason. Don’t buy one with a high maintenance fee and low season because it’s cheap no matter how much you love it. You can always rent it from another owner.
 
I suggest that you be intentional in what weeks you buy. I bought 2 St Thomas weeks from Marriott that I can elect points and never do. The salesman told me to never trade them because they were too valuable as rentals. Then I purchased 8 different resale weeks in resorts that I loved but I made sure they would rent for at least $1000 more than the maintenance fees. Last year we used 5 weeks, rented 5 weeks and I had more than enough to pay maintenance on all 10. If you buy good renters, high maintenance fees won’t bother you so much if you can’t use them for whatever reason. Don’t buy one with a high maintenance fee and low season because it’s cheap no matter how much you love it. You can always rent it from another owner.
One can't do much better than what you've done. The simplicity of your approach is refreshing to those of us who want a solution that just works well and has enduring value. Congratulations!
 
I suggest that you be intentional in what weeks you buy. I bought 2 St Thomas weeks from Marriott that I can elect points and never do. The salesman told me to never trade them because they were too valuable as rentals. Then I purchased 8 different resale weeks in resorts that I loved but I made sure they would rent for at least $1000 more than the maintenance fees. Last year we used 5 weeks, rented 5 weeks and I had more than enough to pay maintenance on all 10. If you buy good renters, high maintenance fees won’t bother you so much if you can’t use them for whatever reason. Don’t buy one with a high maintenance fee and low season because it’s cheap no matter how much you love it. You can always rent it from another owner.
Have you been renting for a long time? I was wondering what you and others did during Covid, especially with their properties not on the mainland USA. Were you able to still use them or rent for a profit? I found it particularly difficult to manage using even the weeks I had, given that the US/Canada border was closed for a time. I don't see renting as something necessarily easy, but it sounds like it is working for you.
 
In own Vistana resale since 1998, and other than II, cannot use Vistana system to trade. How are you doing this?
 
Have you been renting for a long time? I was wondering what you and others did during Covid, especially with their properties not on the mainland USA. Were you able to still use them or rent for a profit? I found it particularly difficult to manage using even the weeks I had, given that the US/Canada border was closed for a time. I don't see renting as something necessarily easy, but it sounds like it is working for you.
I start renting in 2010. I lowered prices during Covid down to maintenance cost and had enough to cover the fees. We were given restricted Star Options at Westin Lagunamar and were able to book New Years Eve 2020. It was a wonderful trip in a primo room location. I remember in Mexico we had to wear masks when we were outside.
 
Our advice would be to not purchase anything. Especially from the developer. Timeshares are just not good value. Take the cost of your initial purchase, plus the annual maintenance fees, and then include the time you spend looking to find availability, your cost per night just isn't worth it. Unless.....you want to spend maybe the next 25 years at the same property with the same (or similar week). The math isn't pretty. There are certainly better offers on the secondary market. But you still have the issue of going where you want, when you want and the investment in time you need to spend searching. And of course the unknown annual maintenance fee increases.

Our most recent experience:

After much analysis and self reflection, we are "done" with MVC and time shares. Bear with me how we got to this point. We bought an event in Las Vegas using out Vistana Star Options. It made sense since we had friends and family in LV. The stay and the event was a great experience. As part of the event you are required to go to a sales presentation. The sales person was by FAR the most skilled and slickest we have ever encountered. And we have gone to our share of "owner updates". We wound up signing to make a purchase of MVC club points that all in all was $12.50 per point. Cheapest we have ever been offered with a one time bonus of 8000 points. Like I always do, I spent the next several days diving into the details. I hammered them to activate my MVC account and was given access. This was to at least test if the direct MVC access is any different that through the Abound portal. I spent many many hours the next few days searching ways to use the points and look for vacations to book. My conclusion....of the 20 resorts we were interested in, nearly all of them had essentially NO availability in any reasonable time of the year. Hilton Head? Dec-Feb (maybe first half of March), no problem. May through Oct? Forget it (Never mind there are only 2BR available. We are a couple). The exact same thing with ANY of the Spain properties. Costa Rica? Maybe one or two days here and there. Other than that? Booked solid for 13months. The only availability we found appealing was in a couple of the Thailand properties. Great! I checked and the same (to the best I could tell) accommodations were available using Bonvoy points...at a cheaper equivalent cost! I am sure if you develop the online search skills and invest the time to search and search and search....you could very well likely find some reasonable trips.

I was wondering if we were doing anything wrong in our search patterns..... We are not alone. See excerpt below from website called (https://marriott-vacation-club.pissedconsumer.com/complaints/RT-P.html):

"Dont waste your hard earned money by purchasing a Marriott timeshare. The sales people will make false promises to get your money. We bought into the points system ten years ago & were finding that we were unable to book barely any of the resorts 13 months out. We went to a presentation in April 2023 & were told that we were unable to find any availability for bookings because we were at the executive level. Keep in mind that we had 7500 points at that time. We were told that if we bought more points then there would be more inventory available to us. The representative said, You have to pay more to get more. Thats how the world works. We went ahead & bought more points for a total of 11,500 points which moved us to the presidential level. After signing the contract, we knew that we only had ten days to cancel. So we logged onto the MVC site and were still finding that we were unable to book anything. Our representative said this was because we were in a reconciliation period and to trust him that everything would be okay. Of course, this supposed reconciliation period lasted way past the cancellation period. It is now about three months after our purchase and we are still in the same situation despite spending thousands of dollars later. For example, I went on the site at the 13 month mark & plugged in 26 resorts for May 2024 and only 2 were available and those were two of their least desirable properties. I did this for June 2024 & July 2024 & had the same results. Contacted our representative, who said this shouldnt be happening & *** look into it. No calls back despite us reaching out to him multiple times. Upon further research we found out that week owners get first priority & points owners do not. When you include maintenance fees & money we put in, we could stay at a 5 star resort every year until I die. Save your money & dont fall prey to this scam."

At the end of the day, these investments are NOT VALUE. Add your time you have to spend searching and searching for where and when you want to go. It is just not worth it. Why are you expected to make such a consequential and expensive decision in about 90 minutes. Let alone all the blatant falsehoods we were told through the years. It's because their business model can't stand the analysis once you have time to truly evaluate and understand what they are selling you.

We rescinded (again) and have since planned and are planning great trips where and when we want to go with all the money and resources we saved.

While I am sure there are a some here who disagree with us. Most will agree with us that given the opportunity to make their purchase decisions over again, they would decide to not buy!
 
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Our advice would be to not purchase anything. Timeshares are just not good value. Take the cost of your initial purchase, plus the annual maintenance fees, and then include the time you spend looking to find availability, your cost per night just isn't worth it. Unless.....you want to spend maybe the next 25 years at the same property with the same (or similar week). The math and it isn't pretty.
Appreciate your analysis. My only comment is that you should qualify your general statement above (emphasis added is mine) to reflect your specific situation which is that you bought Abound (formerly DC) points from the developer. I didn't see anything in your analysis that mentions resale deeded weeks? Perhaps resale deeded week owners many prove otherwise. I know our resale Vistana deeded weeks have been a fantastic deal compared with renting in Hawaii and, although the maintenance fees have risen significantly in the past 2 years, we are still at a significant savings compared to renting and and can sell for about equal to what we originally paid. If we eventually sell at a loss, we are still way ahead.
 
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