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Marriott Resale program?

DG001

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Hello,

Timeshare newbies here, looking to buy our first timeshare. We are looking into Marriotts, and know that you don't get the Marriott hotel points when you buy resale.

However, is there a resale program that works directly through Marriott that would be eligible for points? Are these units priced lower than the 'regular' new developer prices? I was looking at the sales database, and saw two Manor Club re-sales (appeared to be from an agent) that also awarded 100K points with the sale.

Does this happen, or is it just wishful thinking?

Thanks!
DG
 
Marriott has a resale program. However, it only has this program at resorts where it is no longer selling developer units. Resales through Marriott are about 40 percent or so over market, and they come with the ability to trade your unit annually for Marriott points.

There are disagreements here over whether it is worth it to pay the premium to get Marriott points. People have done lots of math here to try to support both sides. I am of the opinion that purchasing a Marriott resale, with the premium, is not worth it. I have seen many, many calculations that seem to show that the money you save by buying resale on the open market will more than make up for any value you get out of your points over the next 20-30 years. However, if you are looking longer term than that, and you don't think that Marriott will further devalue the points program over the next 30 years, then you might want to consider buying via Marriott.

Others disagree and go through all kinds of calculations to claim that the value they get from their points far exceeds what they paid. My personal view is that they overvalue what they get in order to reach this calculation. They would disagree with me.
 
As far as I know, Marriott resale prices with points are the same as they are at actively sold resorts. In fact, most resorts have a deed clause that permits Marriott to have first refusal on timeshare sales that they have been taking quite often in recent years...and then resell them at their current prices. So a fantastic deal you find on a Marriott resale might turn out to be a fantastic deal for Marriott to snatch away from you.

I believe in the Marriott Rewards program very much as it has provided my family with many wonderful trips. But those trips happened largely because Marriott used to provide as much as 500,000 points to buy a $18000 week. Only a few Marriott can be traded for points every year, so that means you have to use/trade it every other year. But if the maint/tax bill is too high, as it is in Hawaii and Fort Lauderdale and St. Kitts, it's not an efficient way to buy points...thus not a good benefit, except for emergencies.

There is the fear that the point program could be devaluated much in the same way that hotel and airplane rates go up every year. So far that hasn't happened too often but it's always wise to spend those points on great trips sooner than later - just the same as it is to spend excess cash rather than hoarding it. I'm guessing that the points program is of more value to empty nesters like me than it is for young families and if it looks like it will be a number of years before you can take advantage of the points benefit it might not be the best choice to buy direct due to the fact the number of points you can get each year does not change but the number of points needed for trips will probably change over time.

However, to say that the points program is not a good 'investment' might only be correct if a resale buyer took the money they saved and actually invested it to make money rather than blow it on a car. When I've taken all my points travel, I still own the timeshares.

Study your vacation needs for the points program - present and future - and study www.marriottrewards.com as well. Then compare the resort prices and annual fees and the points you get. For me, it's a plan where I can get business class seats and stay a week in category 6 or 7 world class hotels which would add up to a tremendous cost if I had to pay that way. If you pass on, your kids inherit your direct-purchased timeshare and the points program, but it's hard to know if the program will be as good for them as it has been for me. Therein lies the critical problem Marriott faces with the Rewards program for the years ahead. Certainly there is some comfort in the fact Marriott wants to retain their best customers with MR incentives and competition from Starwood and Hilton is fierce.

Brian
 
Also, as for your specific question, you should be wary of ads that represent that you'll get points (or be able to trade the use for points) in connection with a resale from other than Marriott.

It's possible that the seller plans to arrange the sale through Marriott (at a significant mark-up from what you could otherwise buy that week for), but you should confirm with Marriott that the points option will be available before committing to this purchase.
 
Hi we're in the same boat as you- looking to buy our first timeshare and debating about the value of points. Although I love traveling overseas, I am not sure the additional cost of the timeshare warrants the ability to trade for points, especially if I didn't want to use or trade the unit for a year I could rent it rather than trade it for points.

While we like to stay in nice place (who doesn't) staying in the top hotel while traveling is not a priority for us; if it is for you, then the points to use esp. for international travel may be more valuable to you (for instance, do you consider a trade for 7 nights to be worth 7 x $300/night or 7X $750/night). I think the different valuations of points by different people depends a lot upon how much they say each night's hotel stay is worth, and whether or not they base their calculations on the rack rate of the best hotel they could get for the points or what they generally pay for a night when they have traveled in the past.

Also- the relative savings (but then again, the point value of the trade) is proportional to the property you are considering. The resale price for properties like Aruba and Hawaii are so much less than the direct pricing that I have come to the conclusion that, for us at least, it doesn't make sense to lay out an additional 10-15K up front for the privelege of giving them back the use of the unit for a year, relinquishing the ability to use or trade it, for a points credit that, using the high end of estimations (around 2 cents/pt.) would be around double our maintenance fee.
 
Without the purchase incentive (I assume resales through MVCI have no such incentive), I wouldn't consider such a purchase. Better to buy developer at a resort in active sales, get the incentive and exchange into what you want, IMO. As MF's rise, those static trade-in MRP's lose value every year.

Pat
 
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