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Marriott IT fails them again

Pretty sure that every property's budget includes a line item for IT and reservations services which essentially reimburses MVC for the costs of operating their reservations system. Am I wrong? I don't think so.

It's pretty much a no-lose business for MVC on the operations and management side of things.
Does your pretty sure and not thinking you are wrong have any cite/support? Because you don't own any MVC resort property so how would you know? MRD's budget has no such line item.
 
Does your pretty sure and not thinking you are wrong have any cite/support? Because you don't own any MVC resort property so how would you know? MRD's budget has no such line item.
I was always under the impression that website and technology costs associated with it were part of the "Owner Services" line item of the budget.
 
I was always under the impression that website and technology costs associated with it were part of the "Owner Services" line item of the budget.
I agree. That and the mangement fees.
 
I agree. That and the mangement fees.
Does the management fee cover that though? I don't think we know. Just like we really don't know for sure that Owner Services fee covers it either. All resort operations are covered by some fee. Even the salary of the General Manager comes out of a line item on the budget. Marriott certainly makes profit on Management Fee. Otherwise there wouldn't be any profit in managing individual resorts. Just not sure what their margin is on the management fee.
 
Does your pretty sure and not thinking you are wrong have any cite/support? Because you don't own any MVC resort property so how would you know? MRD's budget has no such line item.
I'm also not sure why you say that @daviator doesn't own any MVC resorts? They have "Marriott's MOC" listed in their profile.
 
I'm also not sure why you say that @daviator doesn't own any MVC resorts? They have "Marriott's MOC" listed in their profile.
All I know is that MRD has no line item "for IT and reservations services" that he noted. If he can post a line item from MOC then that would help. I cannot imagine that each individual resort has an expense item "a line item for IT and reservations services," but anything is possible. He just made an assertion with no support.
 
Does your pretty sure and not thinking you are wrong have any cite/support? Because you don't own any MVC resort property so how would you know? MRD's budget has no such line item.
I certainly do own an MVC resort property. Kind of bold of you to decide what I do or don't own, though I think my ownership is spelled out in my profile and includes MOC.

I don't have a budget to refer to at the moment but I am pretty sure I've seen such a line item in the past. I don't remember what it was called and it might indeed be rolled into "owner services." That doesn't mean we aren't paying for those services.
 
The thing that amazes me is not that I think they don't see IT as a cost center, but more that they (and Hilton's Honors program too oddly enough) seemingly like to spend way more money having phone operators vs making everything work via the website and app. While I can see the benefits to some (including me) of a staffed front desk and getting key cards, as well as the opportunity to try and get you to a sales pitch for MVC, I don't see what benefit it is to anyone to need to call in to a call center for bookings.
 
The thing that amazes me is not that I think they don't see IT as a cost center, but more that they (and Hilton's Honors program too oddly enough) seemingly like to spend way more money having phone operators vs making everything work via the website and app. While I can see the benefits to some (including me) of a staffed front desk and getting key cards, as well as the opportunity to try and get you to a sales pitch for MVC, I don't see what benefit it is to anyone to need to call in to a call center for bookings.
The website potentially lowers the cost for the owner. Actual people are expensive. Marriott charges all these costs back to owners which translates into a 10% management fee on those costs. I think this is also why I see a huge abundance of employees, who all seem to have their own golf cart, all around all the timeshare resorts we visit.
 
The check in process, IMO, takes way too long. I don't need the chit chat, "is this your first time here", kinda stuff. Just get me my keys so I can get on with my vacation. I don't need anyone to explain the activities schedule to me. Ask if I know where I am going and if I say no, then point out my building and unit on the map. Many guests have been returning to the same resort year after year. They don't need this stuff to slow the process down for them and everyone behind them in the check in line.
I agree with this. Add an extra concierge to answer questions about activities, etc. if people need help.
 
The website potentially lowers the cost for the owner. Actual people are expensive. Marriott charges all these costs back to owners which translates into a 10% management fee on those costs. I think this is also why I see a huge abundance of employees, who all seem to have their own golf cart, all around all the timeshare resorts we visit.
Exactly. Because of the way they are compensated, Marriott is incentivized to always keep property operating costs and maintenance fees as high as possible, basically at whatever is the maximum they think the market can bear, to maximize their profits.

When we have a year, like this year, when MFs barely rise, it’s not because inflation stopped or costs stayed the same. It’s because they got too greedy with the MFs and it has been making it difficult for Sales to sell more VOIs. So they realize that they need to hold MFs for a year or two.

I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that if you pay someone more when they spend more, you are telling them to spend more. The whole management compensation model ought to change, but it won’t happen because MVC controls all the individual property association boards.

I suspect that if we all keep telling sales that we won’t buy more because the maintenance fees are too high, we will see continued moderation in MF increases. That’s about the best we can hope for.
 
Sigh. Is the website down for anyone else?
 
I don't see Custom House on the list of Destinations when doing a Points booking search. Any others missing?
 
The problem is that they are small potatoes when it comes to company size and can't attract the best IT talent. If you're great with IT, do you work for Google, Meta, Oracle or do you go and work for Marriott Vacation Club?
Not only that but I think someone mentioned they were still using COBOL? If so, that's a seriously difficult programming language to find talent in considering how old it is.
 
Not only that but I think someone mentioned they were still using COBOL? If so, that's a seriously difficult programming language to find talent in considering how old it is.
I don't know that Marriott Vacations systems use COBOL, but they do have to integrate with the systems of Marriott International, the hotel company. Their legacy system is called MARSHA which is COBOL based. Marriott had an opportunity to upgrade from MARSHA when they acquired Starwood. Starwood had a new modern reservation system. The problem with Starwood is that they had just had a huge data breach. It would be hard to trust a system like that going forward. So they stuck with MARSHA.
 
I don't know that Marriott Vacations systems use COBOL, but they do have to integrate with the systems of Marriott International, the hotel company. Their legacy system is called MARSHA which is COBOL based. Marriott had an opportunity to upgrade from MARSHA when they acquired Starwood. Starwood had a new modern reservation system. The problem with Starwood is that they had just had a huge data breach. It would be hard to trust a system like that going forward. So they stuck with MARSHA.
My guess is it is much more than just a data breach. I used to work for AcuCOBOL, a company that migrated software from mainframes to minis. There are tremendous time and expense components to do these conversions, especially on giant legacy systems. Seeing the systems at various resorts and hotels they obviously have done some migration already, but this thread is really about the end-user web interface for reserving particular intervals (DE). MVC already has a working points reservation layer in place, should not be hard to expand this to DE reservations.
 
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