Marriott Aruba Ocean Club Owners Being Ripped Off By Marriott - READ IF AN OWNER

[qlaval]

True or not true I do not know for sure first handedly, someone told me at the AOC that they went downtown and a store was selling the same wristbands given out at the SC for the pool in various colors to coordinate with the weeks.
Anyone else hear this?

I don't know about any store downtown selling them still they are very easy to order online....

Invalid URL....
http://www.....bracelets.html

 

[modoaruba]

I don't know about any store downtown selling them still they are very easy to order online....


Do I dare ask how you know this?
Know where I can get AOC look a like towels?

 

[qlaval]

Do I dare ask how you know this?
Know where I can get AOC look a like towels?

First let me tell you that I'm not providing this link to help people circumvent the reason why they are used but rather to show how easy they are to come by...
(on 2th thought I think I will delete the link... it could encourage some to gain access illegally...)
Modoaruba could you edit your URL in your quote/unquote to render it useless...

And yes the towels are easy to come by as well but you will undertsand that I won't say how... :ignore:

 

[Luckybee]

It is going to take better monitoring to keep non OC owners and guests away from the OC palapas and chairs. I say this because dh and I always bring our own beach towels which are very bright and bear no resemblance to either oc or sc towels(we like the really big ones where u only need one towel that covers the whole chair . We always do the beach, not the pool. If we have palapa ressies then we have a palapa, and if not then just grab a couple of chairs. Funny thing though. In the past few years only once have we ever been asked as to whether we were guests. After a week or so I expect they might recognize the towels but for the first couple of days we're never asked at all (Not complaining about not being bugged but...really we should be bugged).

 

[luvmypt]

Reserve Fees

Anybody know if our 2010 maintenance fees going to include the amount of reserve fees (give or take) we paid in 2009? Thanks.

 

[marksue]

We wont know for sure until the bills are issued but it will proabably be close.

 

[laurac260]

not an owner but...

I thumbed thru this thread out of curiousity.

Here is what I surmised:

If the owners get stuck paying the cost of the roof, then alot of ppl get screwed.

If Marriott pays for it themselves, they will pass the cost on to the entire Marriott timeshare owners in some form or fashion, and alot of ppl will get screwed.

If there is a class action lawsuit which forces Marriott to pay for it themselves, the owners pay legal fees, Marriott pays legal fees, all the owners in the Marriott system will get the cost passed on to them in some form or fashion, and alot of ppl will get screwed (except the lawyers of course).

Doesn't sound like anyone will win no matter what the scenario.

 

[ecwinch]

I thumbed thru this thread out of curiousity.

Here is what I surmised:

If the owners get stuck paying the cost of the roof, then alot of ppl get screwed.

If Marriott pays for it themselves, they will pass the cost on to the entire Marriott timeshare owners in some form or fashion, and alot of ppl will get screwed.

If there is a class action lawsuit which forces Marriott to pay for it themselves, the owners pay legal fees, Marriott pays legal fees, all the owners in the Marriott system will get the cost passed on to them in some form or fashion, and alot of ppl will get screwed (except the lawyers of course).

Doesn't sound like anyone will win no matter what the scenario.

I do not believe that #3 is an option. From what I understand Dutch law does not allow class actions suits.

Which leads to the following theory of what is driving this:

The lack of class action laws is why the Board issue is so important. Only the Board can pursue the roof claim and they probably have signed away those rights in exchange for the 43% cost sharing. In the US, Mark would be able to be bring a derivative class action alleging demand futility. I do not believe he has that option under Dutch law, so he needs to gain control of the Board first. Then, the point could be advanced alleging undue influence or conflict of interest, and attempt to invalidate whatever agreement the Board might have signed indemnifying MVCI on the construction issue. Then when he wins that point, he then can sue on the construction issue. JMO. A lot of maybe, but no more than the same that the crusaders have used against the current BoD and MVCI.

Yes, the cost to repair the roof is relatively small in relation to size of MVCI, and I agree with your basic statement. Someone will lose, someone might gain a little, and all the lawyers will win. And if my theory is correct, they will win big.

 

[lovearuba]

renovation updates

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105638

Discussion is back to special assessments and maintenance fees

 

[marksue]

article in Timeshare Today

Former President and Board Member,
Aruba Ocean Club
An unusually dark cloud has formed
over the “One Happy Island” and the
Marriott Aruba Ocean Club (AOC) and
many owners are in shock. This is a case
study for timeshare owners, who
are responsible for vetting the
facilities before they purchase
and what to be aware of when the
developer turns over control to
the owners.

[Remainder of article deleted in accordance with TUG policy, which prohibits copyright infringement. Those wishing to read the article should obtain a copy of Timesharing Today's September/October issue. Dave M, BBS Moderator]


TimeSharing Today Page 14 Sep/Oct, 2009
www.tstoday.com for back issues, Resort Report Cards, articles on resorts and much more

 

[ecwinch]

It is on page 13 BTW - the article is titled "Lessons Learned" for those who use the on-line version. I assume that Shep has given permission for it's reprint here as it is there copyrighted content. He generally has been supportive of owner efforts like this.

The by-line is:

By Allan S. Cohen, Potomac, MD

Also, if you would bold the Section headers like in the TSToday article, it might improve readability.

 

[modoaruba]

I assume that Shep has given permission for it's reprint here. Unless it is a Letter to the Editor of course.

Hey Eric,
Are you implying that this last post by Mark is not appropriate?
I find it very encompassing and educational as to what is going on.
I for one cannot see any disputing it without another agenda.

I would like to see the adversarial point of view given while keeping the priority of the owner's in mind as did Allan.

 

[ecwinch]

Hey Eric,
Are you implying that this last post by Mark is not appropriate?
I find it very encompassing and educational as to what is going on.
I for one cannot see any disputing it without another agenda.

I would like to see the adversarial point of view given while keeping the priority of the owner's in mind as did Allan.

To the contrary. I am making the assumption that TSToday has given permission for the reprint of their copyrighted content. Ideally, Mark would have removed any doubt by included that in his post i.e. "Reprinted with the permission of Timesharing Today". It is just that TUG has a firm policy on reprinting copyrighted content. TSToday is paid newsletter. It is not an issue of the content being encompassing or educational. And from the formatting, it is clearly just a cut and paste.

I am not disputing the content at all. Having spoken with Allan, I know what parts of his article are factual and which parts are opinion.

In my post I also wanted to post who the author was, and what the article was titled. The latter so that authorized subscribers could reach it easily. I could not locate it when I first went to read the original article.

Other than that, feel free to infer my intention.

 

[modoaruba]

To the contrary. I am making the assumption that TSToday has given permission for the reprint of their copyrighted content.

I am not disputing the content at all. Having spoken with Allan, I know what parts of his article are factual and which parts are opinion. It is just that TUG has a firm policy on reprinting copyrighted content. TSToday is paid newsletter. It is not an issue of the content being encompassing or educational. I have done the same on another site were users were reprinting TUG content.

In my post I also wanted to post what the article was titled, so that authorized subscribers could reach it easily. I could not locate it when I first went to read the original.

Other than that, feel free to infer my intention.

Sorry,I was responding to your original unedited post and did not know who Shep is.
Let's see what lurks to follow. G'day.

 

[lovearuba]

some folks still dont know

Sorry,I was responding to your original unedited post and did not know who Shep is.
Let's see what lurks to follow. G'day.

I am pleased to see the article, the more owners that are aware of the concerns we have the better.

 

[marksue]

Fiscal Year Description Due Date Amount Due 1 bedroom
2010 Operating Fee 2010-01-15 147.26
2010 Reserve Fee 2010-01-15 309.93
2010 Operating Fee 2010-01-15 632.21
Total Charges $1089.40


Fiscal Year Description Due Date Amount Due 2 bedroom
2010 Operating Fee 2010-01-15 204.90
2010 Reserve Fee 2010-01-15 470.72
2010 Operating Fee 2010-01-15 832.56
Total Charges $1458.18

Anyone know why there are 2 operating Fees

 

[qlaval]

The cheaper operating fee should read as Utilities expenses.

And the Utilities expenses relates to the Electricity and Water/Sewer line items in the 2010 budget.

 

[lovearuba]

special assessment

Any updates on the second special assessment

 

[marksue]

Nothing on the assesment.

 

[griffer331]

Special Assessment

Special Assessment for 2010

1 bedroom $337.3
2 bedroom $484.25

This is all on the owners website.

 

[qlaval]

All this put together is a great new for all the owners.

 

[vengle]

Where on the website? I just see the 1458. amount.....

 

[vengle]

Found it in the letter you need to read. The 400 or so is due in March I believe.

 

[luvmypt]

Found it in the letter you need to read. The 400 or so is due in March I believe.

Are you referring to the Aruba Ocean Club Website as the Owners Website? If you are, I must be missing something because I can't find any letter more recent then June 2009. It stands to reason that the assessments had to come out later then that date so could you please be a little more specific as to where you saw this letter?. Thanks.

 

[SueDonJ]

Are you referring to the Aruba Ocean Club Website as the Owners Website? If you are, I must be missing something because I can't find any letter more recent then June 2009. It stands to reason that the assessments had to come out later then that date so could you please be a little more specific as to where you saw this letter?. Thanks.

You should find it using the "Owners" tab at the Aruba Ocean Club page at my-vacationclub.com, and it you may see a link to it as a pop-up when you first open the page.

I'm glad the owners here are seeing some relief compared to the gigantic increases last year.