Marriott Aruba Ocean Club Owners Being Ripped Off By Marriott - READ IF AN OWNER

[Luckybee]

Lovearuba

As you and I have discussed...sometimes it is simply better to ignore ....lol...we're doing it again

 

[ecwinch]

I just continue to find it amusing that one sides posts facts, logic, deductive reasoning, and personal experiences; and from the other side you hear big raspberry sounds.

Beyond the occassional soliloquy from Mark, I think this discussion has run it's course.

 

[Dean]

I was not aware of this history.
Thanks for that info.
When I was at the AOC three weeks ago not one person ever mentioned any dissatisfaction with Marriott. It was business as usual.
Do you know off hand if the majority of owners wanted Marriott out of the resorts they were managing?

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I doubt anyone other than a few well placed Marriott execs and POSSIBLY, the BOD and management staff at the given resorts can truly know for certain. Adding up 2 plus 2 though, I'd venture that those that have recently been dropped (Vail components, SV, SB, ST, Paradise Island and Longboat bay are the ones I've known enough about to formulate any opinion on this matter. Barbados and Loon Mountain were before my time. None of those dropped were built by Marriott but there were some issues with all of them. Take SB and ST for example. By reports, Marriott gave them a list of expectations to cont to be in the fold, they complied with those demands, and Marriott still dropped them. At least that's some people's take on it but like here, it becomes a he said/she said issue. Vail was somewhat similar other than there was a major rift between those that had owned at the resorts pre Marriott and didn't want to spend the money that would have been required to meet Marriott's demands. There was also a difference of philosophy between Marriott and Longboat BOD/owners plus Marriott likely should never have been involved there. I think that only leaves HP and Monarch that Marriott didn't actually build and possibly one segment of Vail that remain. Some have held that item (build by Marriott) as a major difference in what Marriott would do on this subject, namely, whether they'd drop resorts going forward or not. HB still has a pretty solid core of owners that owned pre Marriott and would be just as happy without them. OTOH, there were many that bought with the intent of trading and using the internal Marriott trading preference, that's especially true for SB/ST and many of those weeks were sold directly by Marriott. My opinion is that being Marriott built won't be enough to save Sunset Pointe and maybe not even Heritage, Harbour Club and possibly Monarch long term.

It's interesting that early on Marriott offered a replacement week at a different resort that would cont in the system to those that had bought from Marriott but as things went along, this option ceased to exist.

 

[ecwinch]

You do have your facts wrong. I am not the leader. You just made an assumption. I may have started this thread, but as the group grew there were others that had ideas and thoughts and we work together. We discuss ideas and agree on approach to take.

You are right, I should have said Allan. My mistake.

 

[modoaruba]

From October 1,2008 and 1,700+ posts, WHERETHEHECKAWEES?

 

[ecwinch]

I doubt anyone other than a few well placed Marriott execs and POSSIBLY, the BOD and management staff at the given resorts can truly know for certain. Adding up 2 plus 2 though, I'd venture that those that have recently been dropped (Vail components, SV, SB, ST, Paradise Island and Longboat bay are the ones I've known enough about to formulate any opinion on this matter. Barbados and Loon Mountain were before my time. None of those dropped were built by Marriott but there were some issues with all of them. Take SB and ST for example. By reports, Marriott gave them a list of expectations to cont to be in the fold, they complied with those demands, and Marriott still dropped them. At least that's some people's take on it but like here, it becomes a he said/she said issue. Vail was somewhat similar other than there was a major rift between those that had owned at the resorts pre Marriott and didn't want to spend the money that would have been required to meet Marriott's demands. There was also a difference of philosophy between Marriott and Longboat BOD/owners plus Marriott likely should never have been involved there. I think that only leaves HP and Monarch that Marriott didn't actually build and possibly one segment of Vail that remain. Some have held that item (build by Marriott) as a major difference in what Marriott would do on this subject, namely, whether they'd drop resorts going forward or not. HB still has a pretty solid core of owners that owned pre Marriott and would be just as happy without them. OTOH, there were many that bought with the intent of trading and using the internal Marriott trading preference, that's especially true for SB/ST and many of those weeks were sold directly by Marriott. My opinion is that being Marriott built won't be enough to save Sunset Pointe and maybe not even Heritage, Harbour Club and possibly Monarch long term.

It's interesting that early on Marriott offered a replacement week at a different resort that would cont in the system to those that had bought from Marriott but as things went along, this option ceased to exist.

MVCI is a business. No reasonable business person walks away from a profitable business without a reason for doing so. The profit margin for MVCI is locked in by contract, and MVCI will continue to manage these resorts as long as they conform to MVCI's business model. Those standards have evolved over time, and the resorts will have continue to evolve also if they want to remain in the MVCI family.

Resorts that cannot or do not want to, will drop out. It is all about MVCI maintaining their brand. MVCI built is only a factor to the extent that the resort likely already meets the minimum standards for today.

In 10 years, the standard could be that every resort have a on-site spa or a elaborate pool complex. It all goes to the Marriott brand having value by ensuring a certain level of expectations is met when staying at the properties that bear their name.

If MVCI had not dropped the resorts in HHI, people would be complaining about how the resort did not seem like a Marriott. It would weaken the brand.

 

[SueDonJ]

From October 1,2008 and 1,700+ posts, WHERETHEHECKAWEES?

We're exactly where we started. The main players in the "concerned owners" group are posting just enough misinformation to rile up and recruit AOC owners in numbers hopefully large enough to force Marriott/MVCI/the BOD to conform to their idea of how the resort should be maintained and how it should be run, regardless of the contractual stipulations; Marriott/MVCI/the BOD is steadfastly (and easily, it appears) deflecting every inept action attempted by the "concerned owners" group; several AOC owners are voicing their tempered support here in the hope that they will be able to continue to enjoy their beloved resort; several interested MVCI-but-not-AOC owners are participating in the "what-if" ongoing discussion; several decidedly not-in-favor-of-the-"concerned owners"-group's-actions AOC owners are also adding their opinions into the mix; all of us who are posting are getting an education AND making headway in the ever-popular Upping My Post Count game; and, this thread is still being reviewed many times every day.

 

[ecwinch]

Like Sue I am getting an education into the conspiracy theorist mindset...

up 150.... must be slow going with the Pictures of the Day... :whoopie:

 

[modoaruba]

Like Sue I am getting an education into the conspiracy theorist mindset...

up 150.... must be slow going with the Pictures of the Day... :whoopie:

If the education is up to par....

who's in the grassy knoll?

 

[ecwinch]

If the education is up to par....

who's in the grassy knoll?

I am betting Dirk was the spotter, and Frank the triggerman... with maybe Cliff as lookout.

 

[SueDonJ]

If the education is up to par....

who's in the grassy knoll?

The puppet handlers for Frank Knox, of course.

 

[SueDonJ]

I am betting Dirk was the spotter, and Frank the triggerman... with maybe Cliff as lookout.

Don't be silly. The handlers are expendable.

Oh wait, the puppet board members are supposed to be interchangeable too, right?

Well, there goes my theory.

 

[Dean]

MVCI is a business. No reasonable business person walks away from a profitable business without a reason for doing so. The profit margin for MVCI is locked in by contract, and MVCI will continue to manage these resorts as long as they conform to MVCI's business model. Those standards have evolved over time, and the resorts will have continue to evolve also if they want to remain in the MVCI family.

Resorts that cannot or do not want to, will drop out. It is all about MVCI maintaining their brand. MVCI built is only a factor to the extent that the resort likely already meets the minimum standards for today.

In 10 years, the standard could be that every resort have a on-site spa or a elaborate pool complex. It all goes to the Marriott brand having value by ensuring a certain level of expectations is met when staying at the properties that bear their name.

If MVCI had not dropped the resorts in HHI, people would be complaining about how the resort did not seem like a Marriott. It would weaken the brand.

Agreed, the question is the reason and how much importance a given item of profit is. For MVCI, in these issues, the reputation and brand character was more important than the profit.

 

[modoaruba]

I am betting Dirk was the spotter, and Frank the triggerman... with maybe Cliff as lookout.

So to follow through,the lone gunman in the depository ( AKA AOC Oceanfront Villa) is none other than.......?

 

[ecwinch]

Don't be silly. The handlers are expendable.

Oh wait, the puppet board members are supposed to be interchangeable too, right?

Well, there goes my theory.

You are going to need to retake Conspiracy Theory 101. It is the puppets that are expendable, that is why you have handlers.

 

[ecwinch]

So to follow through,the lone gunman in the depository ( AKA AOC Oceanfront Villa) is none other than.......?

Wait... I want to change my answer.

Frank is the fall guy for all this. He is the lone gunman. I think I read he was a BoD president for Hilton for a while.

It is Dirk and Bill Marriott (the handlers) on the grassy knoll.

 

[modoaruba]

Wait... I want to change my answer.

Frank is the fall guy for all this. He is the lone gunman. I think I read he was a BoD president for Hilton for a while.

It is Dirk and Bill Marriott (the handlers) on the grassy knoll.

By jove I think you got it.

 

[SueDonJ]

You are going to need to retake Conspiracy Theory 101. It is the puppets that are expendable, that is why you have handlers.

I will never understand Conspiracy Theories, never! It's hopeless.

 

[ecwinch]

By jove I think you got it.

FINALLY! The 1700+ post mark, and finally someone admits I got something in this thread right.

Well I can see that my work here is done......

 

[SueDonJ]

FINALLY! The 1700+ post mark, and finally someone admits I got something in this thread right.

Well I can see that my work here is done......

Excellent. Now the rest of us stand a chance in The Game.

 

[modoaruba]

I will never understand Conspiracy Theories, never! It's hopeless.

Marriott sells villas at the AOC with nominal MFs. The price is so good that they sell out.
Slowly and purpously the MFs increase each year.
At a time when the economy is at a lull, the biggest increase in MFs occur.
This is done purpously again inorder to flood the market with sellers.
Since there are too many units for sale,many owners are stuck with their units.
Either the owners ante up or go to foreclosure.
This whole plan was in the works from day one for the purpous of robbing the owners of their villas so they can sell to the next wave of buyers.

How's that for a conspiracy theory?

 

[modoaruba]

FINALLY! The 1700+ post mark, and finally someone admits I got something in this thread right.

Well I can see that my work here is done......

I enjoy reading your posts.
We can always change the subject..to keep you going.
Well, what do you think of them Yankees?

 

[SueDonJ]

Marriott sells villas at the AOC with nominal MFs. The price is so good that they sell out.
Slowly and purpously the MFs increase each year.
At a time when the economy is at a lull, the biggest increase in MFs occur.
This is done purpously again inorder to flood the market with sellers.
Since there are too many units for sale,many owners are stuck with their units.
Either the owners ante up or go to foreclosure.
This whole plan was in the works from day one for the purpous of robbing the owners of their villas so they can sell to the next wave of buyers.

How's that for a conspiracy theory?

Sounds about three-quarters fleshed out - the only part you're missing is how Marriott managed to tank the economy before they increased the fees.

 

[ecwinch]

Marriott sells villas at the AOC with nominal MFs. The price is so good that they sell out.
Slowly and purpously the MFs increase each year.
At a time when the economy is at a lull, the biggest increase in MFs occur.
This is done purpously again inorder to flood the market with sellers.
Since there are too many units for sale,many owners are stuck with their units.
Either the owners ante up or go to foreclosure.
This whole plan was in the works from day one for the purpous of robbing the owners of their villas so they can sell to the next wave of buyers.

How's that for a conspiracy theory?

Thats a good one. Do you think they engineered the financial crisis also, or was that just good timing?

And the Yankees are doomed to failure as long as A-Rod is on the team. He is the baseball equivalent of the albatross.

 

[modoaruba]

Sounds about three-quarters fleshed out - the only part you're missing is how Marriott managed to tank the economy before they increased the fees.

They are THE secret lobbyist organization behind the congressional committee to oversee that the Marriott issued VISA cards set limits to the card holders beyond the limits that they are able to repay.