Lost a 2BR Presidential Unit This AM

[chapjim]

Bonnet Creek -- cancelled to rebook but it never showed up.

No great harm. It wasn't rented but we might have used it ourselves.

Hope someone nice got it!

 

[vacationhopeful]

Most likely "Extra Holidays" is thanking you.

 

[montygz]

You might find it on Ebay

 

[chapjim]

Not either place (yet).

 

[wjappraise]

It looks like the refresh time period has extended again. It used to be about 15 seconds. Then a few months back it was extended to approximately 1 minute 45 seconds. Starting yesterday it has been about 3 minutes 45 seconds. By refresh time, I mean the time from when you cancel a reservation until it shows up as available inventory online. Perhaps the unit wasn't lost, simply obtained by someone else after you figured it was gone.


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[chapjim]

It looks like the refresh time period has extended again. It used to be about 15 seconds. Then a few months back it was extended to approximately 1 minute 45 seconds. Starting yesterday it has been about 3 minutes 45 seconds. By refresh time, I mean the time from when you cancel a reservation until it shows up as available inventory online. Perhaps the unit wasn't lost, simply obtained by someone else after you figured it was gone.


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I've noticed the same thing -- close to two minutes before a cancelled unit reappeared.

I stayed with this one for over fifteen minutes before I gave up.

 

[am1]

Have presidential units ever showed up in extra holidays?

Was it a presidential reserve unit?

 

[raygo123]

I've noticed the same thing -- close to two minutes before a cancelled unit reappeared.

I stayed with this one for over fifteen minutes before I gave up.

Wyndham could do that. I saw a graph of the CWA trust that showed 3 wedges. 1/3 each to: CWA, VIP, and Wyndham. They borrowed your resort, and transfered points to CWA.

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[chapjim]

Have presidential units ever showed up in extra holidays?

Was it a presidential reserve unit?

The unit was marked PR, not PRH, when I initially made the reservation. It was available to anyone, not just Presidential Reserve owners.

That would mean there were more people who could grab it, I suppose. However, I was pushing the Modify Search button about every 15 seconds. Not a lot of time for someone else to get in there with a request.

 

[north]

The unit was marked PR, not PRH, when I initially made the reservation. It was available to anyone, not just Presidential Reserve owners.

That would mean there were more people who could grab it, I suppose. However, I was pushing the Modify Search button about every 15 seconds. Not a lot of time for someone else to get in there with a request.

Before the summer, I went ahead to upgrade a studio to a PR-marked unit that I had booked at the same time. The PR-marked unit never showed up the day I cancelled it, but as soon as the reservation system opened the next morning, it was there and I got my upgrade. This has happened every time I have tried to upgrade to a PR-marked unit this year. If the unit is just displayed as a Presidential, without the PR-mark, it has showed up again in a few minutes after cancellation, just as a regular unit.

Maybe you should give it a try as soon as the system opens up tomorrow?

 

[Ty1on]

Wyndham could do that. I saw a graph of the CWA trust that showed 3 wedges. 1/3 each to: CWA, VIP, and Wyndham. They borrowed your resort, and transfered points to CWA.

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Huh? CWA, "VIP", and "Wyndham" all have equal access to any reservation once ARP has passed. Points aren't "transferred" to CWA except when a contract is deeded back to Wyndham by some manner and deeded into the CWA trust. This has nothing to do with the daily operation of reservations.

I'm guessing a salesperson drew this graph for you?

 

[raygo123]

Huh? CWA, "VIP", and "Wyndham" all have equal access to any reservation once ARP has passed. Points aren't "transferred" to CWA except when a contract is deeded back to Wyndham by some manner and deeded into the CWA trust. This has nothing to do with the daily operation of reservations.

I'm guessing a salesperson drew this graph for you?

This was a graph of "only" the CWA trust. So yes to the extent of only the CWA trust. With a little less than ab3rd, with CWA only being the largest. You are correct as far as when points or deeds come into CWA. Ovations can maintain the size of their slice. Wyndham can rent their slice to reduce the cost of MFs.

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[Ty1on]

This was a graph of "only" the CWA trust. So yes to the extent of only the CWA trust. With a little less than ab3rd, with CWA only being the largest. You are correct as far as when points or deeds come into CWA. Ovations can maintain the size of their slice. Wyndham can rent their slice to reduce the cost of MFs.

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I am very confident that the pie isn't even close to what was represented to you.

 

[raygo123]

That's what I saw. I thought that the trust would be about 2/3rds Pure CWA, and the rest would be split between VIP and Wyndham. With all that has changed since august, I would would imagine with it came new software able to catch almost instantly a tuned in unit of value

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[Ty1on]

That's what I saw. I thought that the trust would be about 2/3rds Pure CWA, and the rest would be split between VIP and Wyndham. With all that has changed since august, I would would imagine with it came new software able to catch almost instantly a tuned in unit of value

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I'm trying to tell you that your numbers are off. Dramatically off.

 

[scootr5]

That's what I saw. I thought that the trust would be about 2/3rds Pure CWA, and the rest would be split between VIP and Wyndham. With all that has changed since august, I would would imagine with it came new software able to catch almost instantly a tuned in unit of value

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I'm not even sure what your really trying to say here. What is split between VIP and Wyndham? What is "2/3rds Pure CWA"? And what does any of that have to do with making reservations inside of 10 months? None of the various types of ownerships matter for that inside of 10 months, other than possibly Presidential Reserve where some units can be held out.

 

[raygo123]

OK, forget about the the 2/3, 1/3. Given that Wyndham has points that were not yet used, and must pay MFs. Wyndham can easily intercept a valuable week. So I agreed Wyndham grabbed the reservation. And hense the increased refresh times. Computer high speed trading. Much faster than pushing a button, and you never know why.

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[ronparise]

Wyndham could do that. I saw a graph of the CWA trust that showed 3 wedges. 1/3 each to: CWA, VIP, and Wyndham. They borrowed your resort, and transfered points to CWA.

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No

the points are either cwa, or deeded at one or the other of the resorts, in the fairshare trust (the cwa deeds are in their own trust but CWA owners also pay the fairshare trust program fee

and the points may or may not be in a VIP account,

It is not possible for the points to be moved in or out of CWA and its not important to this discussion



What is possible is that the resort was overbooked and Wyndham grabbed it to correct that problem. Or that Wyndham grabbed it to rent, or that some other owner happened to be there to grab it when Jim cancelled, or perhaps someone escaped Wyndhams net, and is still operating their own reservations bot

 

[am1]

Or it was a prh unit and went back into that inventory.

 

[chapjim]

Or it was a prh unit and went back into that inventory.

No, it wasn't. It was marked PR, not PRH. When I booked it, I was out of PR points.

 

[jjmanthei05]

when doing some cancel and rebooks, I have had a couple different instances where the room never comes back up but when I look at 7 am the next morning it was there. Next time you may want to check at open.

Jason

 

[Bigrob]

when doing some cancel and rebooks, I have had a couple different instances where the room never comes back up but when I look at 7 am the next morning it was there. Next time you may want to check at open.

Jason

I have also seen this. I wonder if at certain resorts for certain times, there is an additional "release" step taking place for oversold nights such that they are being manually released at the end of the night (unless the units are required due to oversold condition/maintenance event, in which case they don't come back.) But to your point, the times to check are within the first 5 minutes; again between 15-20 minutes (in case it got released with a "lock" on it); and then again the next morning.

Another thing I have seen is the calendar shows "green" like the night is available, but no availability; then the calendar goes clear but the reservation shows up. Or, I've seen it where it shows up, disappears (often for a couple of minutes) - and then re-appears.

Lately it seems safer to do these with a VC who sees the inventory before we do.