Looking for Timeshare Resale Scam Justice?

[richardm]

Clarification on the GMAC Franchise involved in this...

Just a quick clarification- GMAC Real Estate/Timeshare Division is an individual franchise only and should not be confused with any other GMAC brokerage!

This new GMAC franchise operates as an online marketing company. If you view the link to the GMAC corporate site -http://www.gmacrealestate.com/find/office/home/Timeshare-Division-Orlando/
you will see that the "agents" do not show as licensed real estate agents, but rather as LTA - Licensed Travel Agent and LCTS - Licensed Commercial Telephone Salesperson (If anyone knows what that actually means- let me know- Is that a fancy word for a telemarketer?)..

This could be very confusing to sellers who may believe they are actually dealing with a licensed Florida real estate agent.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

I'm wondering if any companies (like GMAC) are legit if they guarantee the sale of your timeshare for a fee. They want $1000 up front but guarantee sale within 90 days. I have not asked for anything in writing just yet but plan to. They say they will sell it for going rate (currently $.15/point) and there are no additional costs or fees to me. Anyone know about them or if this is worth it?

If you get anything in writing, I'll "gurantee" their guarantee isn't anything such as "if it doesn't sell we'll refund your entire payment". Most often, the "guarantee" is that if it doesn't sell after 90 days they will continue to list the unit for another 90 days at no additional fee to you. (Imagine that!!!)

Or if you should be so lucky as to get a money back guarantee that actually does work, you'll get your money back less some retention for the advertising services provided.

 

[AwayWeGo]

G. M. A. C. Non-Timeshare Divisions.

When I was out & about this morning, I heard a commercial on car radio for high-yield Certificates Of Deposit from GMAC's Internet FDIC-insured bank.

Thanks to TUG-BBS, I can't hear anything about any division of GMAC now without thinking of up-front timeshare selling fees.

Before TUG-BBS, I thought of GMAC exclusively as the installment-sales company that finances sales of Chevrolets & Pontiacs & Buicks & Cadillacs & GMC Trucks, etc., on the never-never plan.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[AwayWeGo]

Timeshare Relief -- In Their Own Words.

I am not making this up.

Click here to go straight to the source.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[Robert A Booey]

The guy I was talking about earlier, poor sucker, fell for two up-front fee listing schemes and was ready to fall for a 3rd. He has not sold it (the points he bought in two chunks). He is still unrealistic on the price I think, trying to sell for 20% of what he paid, when it sounds like 5-10% is more of the going rate.

 

[scambuster1]

You have to give the person(s) behind resaleripoffs credit:

• 
  they came up with a business name that reflects what they will do to the consumer

• they had the patience to dig up this old thread

• they are no way connected to Seabreeze and have no intention of forwarding them any contact info. (yeh, right!)

• should you register, there is no privacy protection, you can expect your information to be shared not only with Seabreeze but with all forms of pcc and similar business models

Not trying to stir up anything but Thank you so much for the credit. I am the original poster "scambuster" but i forgot my password and email so had to reregister. Again thank you for giving me credit but you are wrong on all counts except that I had the patience to dig up this old thread.

 

[scambuster1]

You have to give the person(s) behind resaleripoffs credit:

• 
  they came up with a business name that reflects what they will do to the consumer

• they had the patience to dig up this old thread

• they are no way connected to Seabreeze and have no intention of forwarding them any contact info. (yeh, right!)

• should you register, there is no privacy protection, you can expect your information to be shared not only with Seabreeze but with all forms of pcc and similar business models

Not looking to stir up anything or get into an argument but I am the one who started this thread a while back "scambuster". I forgot my password and also the email i used so i had to reregister to tell you thank you for giving me credit. You are wrong on all counts except that I had the patience to dig up this old thread. Only one person got it right and i will thank him next.

 

[scambuster1]

simply log in to the website, and enter in the contact info for all 50 state attorney general's offices. Let the PCC contact those offices, looking to "sell their timeshare".

that should at least peak someone's interest.

This guy's only 2 posts are the same.

By putting his website on TUG, he gets the google search exposure.

Go ahead and do all that. I am not apart of any PCC or lead generation site. You are wrong about that. The only part you were right about was my main motivation in posting on tug was for the Google Search. I can't believe you people. You are all so paranoid. Here I am legitimately trying to help people and no I don't charge any one anything as all the site is is a forum. Recently i did partner with somone who will be doing a fee recovery service for timeshare fraud victims. Before you all jump down my throat, that service will be done and payment for our service will only be after you have successfully recovered your money from the upfront fee companies. You all owe me an apology its just too bad I won't be here on this forum to see it as I only registered again as I forgot my password and email.

Not everyone is out to hurt you and scam you all. Thanks I get for trying to make a difference. we will continue our efforts as we are having fun scamming the scammers.

 

[Aussiedog]

Changed strategy??

Recently i did partner with somone who will be doing a fee recovery service for timeshare fraud victims. ....... You all owe me an apology its just too bad I won't be here on this forum to see it as I only registered again as I forgot my password and email.

Sorry Scambuster1 - but I don't buy it.

Your first post encouraged us to use your website so that you and your attorney friend could collect names for a class action suit. Now it's a fee recovery service with someone else. And in between you suggest that it's all about using TUG as a "hit machine" to bump your site to the top of the Google seach page.

Maybe I am being selfish, but I don't "feel the love" - sounds like it is all about you :hysterical:

Ann

 

[flyguybob]

Slander vs. Libel

e.bram -
If there wasn't a shred of truth to the posts (and there is) AND the posts named these organizations and/or their trade organization then the posts could be libelous and possibly could subject him to a tort of defamation. Libel and Slander are both forms of defamation; libel is primarily written, including electronic mediums. ...so it would be libel/libelous and unfair if it weren't true not slander/slanderous and unfare. Unfortunately it is true for many people.

That doesn't mean that if it's not true they couldn't file a lawsuit, even a suit without merit in order to silence someone.

...but when it came time for court they would likely withdraw the lawsuit rather than lose it and be subjected to the counterclaim of attorney's fees upon winning the lawsuit. This is provided that the defendant (usually his counsel filing on the behalf of their client) files a counterclaim.

You would be amazed at what it costs to defend a lawsuit even when you are in the right!!

 

[AwayWeGo]

In Other Words . . .

You would be amazed at what it costs to defend a lawsuit even when you are in the right!!

. . . You Have An Excellent Case.

Now -- How Much Justice Can You Afford ?

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[COSpug]

ResaleRipoffs.com and VacationTrader.org

Just wanted to give some info on the scum bags running the ResaleRipoffs.com website...

They are using it as a lead generator for their own timeshare resale company, VacationTrader.org. They are also using it to bash other companies to make their own timeshare resale company look better. Gotta love their honesty in disclosing all of that when they go around bashing other companies.

It is just a matter of time until someone sues the crap out of them for running a nice little internet slander scam. I wonder if they will be so kind as to list their own timeshare resale company on their ripoff scam website?

 

[Bill4728]

Just wanted to give some info on the scum bags running the ResaleRipoffs.com website...

They are using it as a lead generator for their own timeshare resale company, VacationTrader.org. They are also using it to bash other companies to make their own timeshare resale company look better. Gotta love their honesty in disclosing all of that when they go around bashing other companies.

It is just a matter of time until someone sues the crap out of them for running a nice little internet slander scam. I wonder if they will be so kind as to list their own timeshare resale company on their ripoff scam website?

Not that what you said isn't true, but who are you?? Your first post on TUG is to blast someone else. What is that all about?

 

[calgarygary]

Not that what you said isn't true, but who are you?? Your first post on TUG is to blast someone else. What is that all about?

I don't know for sure but my guess is if we keep this thread around long enough, it may set a record for first time posters with an agenda.

 

[brucecz]

I don't know for sure but my guess is if we keep this thread around long enough, it may set a record for first time posters with an agenda.

IMHO I think the 3 Belaires Mexico string had far more first time posters because there are far more money involved. Many were first time posters when they first posted on either the first, second or thrid Belaire strings.

Of coursre not one :rofl: is a shill :rofl: with a :rofl: agenda :rofl:

Bruce :rofl:

 

[calgarygary]

IMHO I think the 3 Belaires Mexico string had far more first time posters because there are far more money involved. Many were first time posters when they first posted on either the first, second or thrid Belaire strings.

Of coursre not one :rofl: is a shill :rofl: with a :rofl: agenda :rofl:

Bruce

Your right Bruce - I should have qualified what I meant by agenda but you described it for me.

 

[ResaleRipoffs]

Just wanted to give some info on the scum bags running the ResaleRipoffs.com website...

They are using it as a lead generator for their own timeshare resale company, VacationTrader.org. They are also using it to bash other companies to make their own timeshare resale company look better. Gotta love their honesty in disclosing all of that when they go around bashing other companies.

It is just a matter of time until someone sues the crap out of them for running a nice little internet slander scam. I wonder if they will be so kind as to list their own timeshare resale company on their ripoff scam website?

Sorry about the first time post guys but had to clear something up. We do not use the site as a lead generator. A client asked us to look into Timeshare Lifestyle. COSpug is affiliated with TimeshareLifestyle.com which was investigated and reported on the ResaleRipoffs.com website a few days ago and the chat logs from the investigation with their sales person is on there for all to see. We contacted the company and asked for a response. The respnse came 24 hours later from an IP address in St. Petersburg, FL which I might ad is where TimeshareLifestlye is of a supposed success story. They refused to back their claims and were caught out right lying.

If by "scumbags" he means helping consumers find out who is well known for ripping people off for their upfront fees and helping them get their money back for a fee after the fees have been recovered then we are guilty as charged. As far as the owner of VacationTrader.org goes. I do know her personally and if by giving timeshare owners a place to help them sell their timeshare for a fee AFTER they successfully sell their property and by linking back to us then I guess she is guilty as charged as well.

I do hope someone sues me for posting exactly word for word in an online chat with their employee. That isn't slander it is posting facts. Slander is calling someone a scumbag on a public forum for helping people avoid what your company does to people. "Your honor these scumbags are helping the people I worked hard to rip off for their upfront money and did nothing for them. I raked in $1.4 million dollars in upfront fees and left over 2,000 customers high and dry. Please make them stop posting the lies my employee put in writing and make them pay me." :rofl: :hysterical: :rofl: :hysterical:

Mr. Lambie please show the proof of all the supossed sales your rep said she had in the last 3 months and I will be glad to not only remove you from our forum but will also issue a full apology.

This guy is just mad because his rep got caught in many lies. He got owned on my forum and I owned him here.

 

[ResaleRipoffs]

Sorry Scambuster1 - but I don't buy it.

Your first post encouraged us to use your website so that you and your attorney friend could collect names for a class action suit. Now it's a fee recovery service with someone else. And in between you suggest that it's all about using TUG as a "hit machine" to bump your site to the top of the Google seach page.

Maybe I am being selfish, but I don't "feel the love" - sounds like it is all about you :hysterical:

Ann

My apology for the long post. TUG was never a "hit machine" and it didn't boost us to number 1 on Google, but it did get us on Google so mission accomplished. It was a great idea (law suits), but it didn't work as their wasn't much response, and though morally disgusting these companies aren't breaking laws (for the most part) so that was a mission failure. Then the people we partnered with to do the fee recovery wanted to charge upfront and we couldn't come to terms which was another mission failure. Rather than quit because the wheels fell off, a few of us got out and pushed and we moved the sight in a slightly different direction.

Now we still report the scams which make it slightly harder for the upfront fee companies to scam people that check out the company online. We also provide fee recovery services and charge a fee after the funds have been recovered. Aside from that we also have fun exposing them. We also found out a way to scam the scammers at their own game. I don't understand why a company that scams people (upfront fee timeshare resale companies) gets so mad when they get scammed.

It is arguable that what we are doing to these upfront fee companies isn't very nice. I'm sure most of you people on this site that paid an upfront fee company before finding TUG are nice hard working people. Unfortunately some of you got scammed. Too often nice people finish last. We fight fire with fire. Excuse us for caring and finding a way to legitimately help people while making a few dollars and having some fun along the way. The good outweighs the bad. We have 3 people that no longer do timeshare resale for a living and work on this project, we have helped a few people get their money back, and we have cost a few upfront fee companies thousands in the process. I consider it an overall mission success for the greater good.

(click fraud is illegal) I'd share some more ways to scam the scammers especially on a large scale but won't go there.

Guess I asked for it because by posting on this forum I did open my mouth; but I'll end my post and await someone to jump down my throat as usual.

 

[richardm]

Oh what a tangled web we weave.......

Wow ResaleRipoffs....... I really feel sympathy for you with all the effort you've had to put into this...

Oh well, at least you've probably learned from your mistakes and will improve for your next try!

 

[AwayWeGo]

Wait Just 1 Minute !

ResaleRipoffs.

Resale Ripoffs ?

Shux, I thought the ripoffs were the Full Freight timeshares that the Timeshare Companies sell to unsuspecting folks for big bux -- not the el cheapo resale timeshares available for nickels on the full-freight dollar.

Am I missing something ?

I don't get it.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[calgarygary]

Just a thought, if resaleripoffs is so confident in their abilities, why not do away with their nominal "retainer" fee and take their charges out of the recovered fee. Seems to me that they are copying a well known business model (can we say pcc) with just a smaller fee - maybe going for volume? At least these s... artists were honest about using TUG - unfortunately to boost their abilities to get $49 a victim.

Wonder what would happen to their google hits if TUGBrian removed all mention of this company's name - after all no one was promised free advertising for their company through tug.

 

[richardm]

Lead generation sites..

You may be missing the entire point of this type of enterprise...

Many of the active PCC's have various lead generation sites that pose as various other services, offering free valuations for sellers, free classified advertising, etc.

This particular concept is actually quite intelligent. What better leads than owners that have already shown they are ready to reach for the wallet- plus these would already have a grudge against some portion of the resale community... Perfect prospects for a Timeshare Freedom-type seminar...

We should all just try to remember that age old advice-

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is............