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LCD 1080p flat panel TV-Blu ray

While Sharp seems to be the only choice for a 32 inch 1080p I've read that there is/has been a banding issue with Sharp. Somewhere I think I've read that's only on larger sets though. Does anyone here know the status of that issue?...

There are lots of comments on the banding issue with some of the early Sharp models. As you will notice, those comments are very dated. When Sharp opened the new very high tech Kamayama Plant, the problem went away. The current models you would be interested in should not be a problem with banding.
 
also keep in mind that while hddvd has lost the war....they still have nearly 400 movies out in hd-dvd format...all can be had for cheaper than a regular dvd.

and the players are also hitting rock bottom...ive seen some advertised in the 25 dollar range!

just food for thought for some of you bargain hunters!
 
Sony

Sorry it is 40 inch, ever thought about putting the cabinet somewhere different in the house?? and buying a stand for the tv or having it installed on the wall??
 
Did it...

I went to three places, talked to every salesman I could get involved. All but one said that 1080p on a 32 inch would do nothing for me. One said I might see a little difference on Blu Ray movies. But they were all really insistent about having 120hz and one showed me a demo that was a great selling tool...if it will really do the same to mine.

I ruled out the 720p Samsung early on but studied the Sharp 1080p and the 720p Sony XBR4 side by side, and from every angle, for what seemed forever. I thought the color brighter on the Sharp but the details, clarity, overall picture better on the Sony. Plus the Sony was the only one that had the 120hz and it may have had one more HDMI input. Can't remember...head is still spinning.

Here's what I never dreamed I'd do. I bought a Sony Playstation3 because these guys swore it had a better Blu Ray player than the same priced Sony PS3 and also offered gaming, internet and photo slide show. While we don't play games, perhaps granddaughter (six) will...however my quick glance at the games showed anything appropriate for her. I hope I didn't mess up buying that instead of just the player. I'd really rather have a Wii if I was going to buy something for games but it wouldn't help me with the rest.

I got $100 off for buying a TV and player and another $100 off the TV for getting Geek Squad installation. I bought one Blu Ray movie (Ratatouille) for my granddaughter and a customer who had been listening in gave me one of his $5.00 off coupons for it. I bought two HDMI cables...couldn't believe how expensive they are!

Here's what they (at Best Buy) are urging me to do and I'd like some opinions. Calibration. Some guy travels around the state with very expensive equipment in his van and comes to my home and calibrates the TV. This calibration is supposed to lower the power consumption by up to 40%, extend the life of the TV up to 40%, make for a better picture, etc., etc. Sounds good except it costs $300! There was another customer beside me who bought two TVs and two calibrations!!!

And one other thing. These young male salesmen were appalled that I only have three speakers, not true surround sound with five to seven speakers. They really want me to consider adding more and buying a new receiver too! Does it never end????

I need a nap.
 
What's the difference between the Sony Playstation3 and the Sony PS3? They are the same thing. Did you get the $24 bluetooth dvd remote for the PS3? That's worth getting.

I've never played a game on mine.

You don't need calibration. It won't lower the power consumption or the life of the tv. Where do they get that stuff from? What it will do is adjust the color settings and b&w settings of all your sources through the tv to the correct levels. The b&w settings are actually the most import part of it. Calibration was much more important with other technology than it is with LCD or Plasma. Yes, they will do a better job of it than you can do on your own, but it's not nearly as different as it used to be. If you really care about it, you can get a test DVD disc that will tell you how to adjust the color, tint, sharpness, etc settings on your own, and you can get a pretty nice picture doing it that way. Usually you have to turn sharpness way down, and compensate for something called red push. I used to use something called Avia, which even comes with some filter strips you use during the calibration. For my Aquos, I just did it by hand, which may not be the best, but it's good enough. Basically the disk has all the color and b&w test patterns on it, and you use them to adjust the settings to bring your tv into spec. Some settings on the tv may only be available on service menus that are not normally accessible to the consumer.

For cables, you should have bought them from monoprice.com

-David
 
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ive never heard of one ps3 being any different than another....to my konwledge all sony ps3 (playstation3 abbreviation) comes with the ability to play blu-ray discs.
 
ive never heard of one ps3 being any different than another....to my konwledge all sony ps3 (playstation3 abbreviation) comes with the ability to play blu-ray discs.

They all have BD players, but there are different models of the PS3. The biggest difference between the models is the size of the hard drive.

As a BD player (or really for any use), the cheapest one is fine at $399. The hard drive is user upgradeable anyway.

The other differences are relatively minor unless you want to play PS2 games on your PS3. The cheapest one doesn't have PS2 compatibility. The other difference is I think the more expensive one has more USB ports.

-David
 
sorry..i meant in regards to being able to play dvds =)
 
...I got $100 off for buying a TV and player and another $100 off the TV for getting Geek Squad installation.....

Make sure you have the installed put a label on both ends of every single connector to the TV and other components. If for some reason down the road you need to move something, you can reconnect the cables properly.

I had a friend use Geek Squad to install her system. When she had new carpeting installed the system had to be moved out of the room then reinstalled. She didn't know where the cables needed to be reconnected so she had to pay for another Geek visit to reinstall the stuff.

Also, try to take a digital pix of the setup so you can look at a picture to help.
 
ARGH

David: What's the difference between the Sony Playstation3 and the Sony PS3? They are the same thing. Did you get the $24 bluetooth dvd remote for the PS3? That's worth getting.

Glynda: Oh David, I'm smacking my head. Not knowing anything about gaming except Wii, it didn't register that you were talking about a Play Station but I thought your post meant a Sony Blu Ray player only. I didn't write it down but I even stood there with the guy in front of the BluRay players and told him it was something 3, it was $399 and that I was told I needed to buy the remote. He showed me the Sony BDP-S300 which is also $399. but said there wasn't another remote to buy. That was when he told me about the PS3 and the other salesman and a customer joined in confirming it was my best option.

I feel so much better now knowing that I didn't do the wrong thing after all and that the salespeople came up with an idea that you actually gave me first, even if I didn't catch it!!!! Some days I really worry about me. I haven't always been this ditzy. Really. :doh:

They sent me home with three pages of information on calibration. One page was an article from Home Theater Jan 1, 2008 Vol 5 Issue 1. Concerning the disc it said "chances are good that the TV's menu controls won't let you do everything those discs suggest you do." On another page, not sure of the source, it says that having your TV professionaly calibrated can save you up to $100 a year on your electric bill.

Kal, great idea on labels. I did that with my old computer before giving it to my friend who wouldn't have known how to.
 
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They sent me home with three pages of information on calibration. One page was an article from Home Theater Jan 1, 2008 Vol 5 Issue 1. Concerning the disc it said "chances are good that the TV's menu controls won't let you do everything those discs suggest you do." On another page, not sure of the source, it says that having your TV professionaly calibrated can save you up to $100 a year on your electric bill.

I don't see how. Maybe for a plasma display, but even then ...

The basic controls on any tv will let you adjust the sharpness (down) and the color and tint settings so you can get close to reducing the red push if you care about it. TVs default settings are made to look the best in the showroom compared to everybody else's TVs. Most TVs exaggerate reds (called red push) in order to make them look better in the showroom.

With modern digital sets, the more advanced settings available only in the service menus typically don't need to be adjusted unless you care about that last little bit of improvement you might get with them. Those include detailed convergence controls and various b&w settings that tend to need more adjustment on old tube tvs than they do on digital flat panels. If you pay for professional calibration they will indeed check all the settings with professional equipment and adjust them all so the tv is as close to spec as they can get it. And it willl probably remain that way unless you reset them.

I think that the claims about power savings are exaggerated or taken out of context. At least I've never heard that.

I had my old DLP HDTV professionally calibrated by a highly recommended accredited calibrator when I lived in Florida. He did a nice job, but I didn't think that the improvement was that much better than what I was able to do myself.

Really, this isn't something you need to do. If you want to do it, that's fine, but you don't need to do it.

Obviously, the more additional services like extended warranties and expensive cables they sell you, the more they make on the sale. That's where their real profit comes from and they compensate their sales staff based on the items they make a lot of profit on. They don't make a lot of profit from the sale of the tv itself since prices for consumer electronics items are so competitive. The sales people are trained to sell the high profit items.

If you want to adjust your tv yourself, turn the sharpness way down, turn off all dynamic picture viewing controls, set the output mode to home theater or custom, leave the auto-brightness control on if you want that setting, and take it from there. You can buy Avia or other DVDs that will help you adjust things so they are close to spec, and it's fairly easy to do.

-David
 
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the only way I can think to save 100 bucks a year on your electric bill would be to physically unplug the tv every time you werent using it...todays flatscreen tvs take up quite a bit of power even when off!
 
thats not half bad at all!
 
At a rate of 250 watts/hour, if I run the TV 6 hours per day, and it's in standby the balance of time, over a full year it will consume 530 kWh of electricity.

If the cost of electricity is $0.10/kWh then the annual cost to operate the TV would be $53 per year.

For me to save $100 per year on my electrical bill by some magic calibration of the TV would be a real challenge. The Best Buy sales geeks seem to be "intellengence challenged". I can only wonder how many other "facts" they tell the prospective buyer are equally false?
 
I bought two HDMI cables...couldn't believe how expensive they are!

Retailers and box stores like Circuit City have an unconscionable markup on cables. Their cables are no better than those you can get online for 1/10th the price. E.g., just by Googling, I found http://www.outletpc.com/c6684.html

Please take back those HDMI cables and order some online.

-Bob
 
Done...maybe...

Thanks, but too late. I've spent the entire day on this thing.

Best Buy Geek Squad came early and though the salespeople at Best Buy yesterday told me to go to the Comcast and get a High Definition cable box, they didn't tell me that there are different ones and that I needed one for a HDMI cable and the person at Comcast didn't ask though I told her I had just bought a new HDTV.

Soooo....the Geek Squad got here and told me I had the wrong box. They set everything up and left three cables ready to be plugged into the next cable box. I went back to Comcast (not easy from where I live) and got the right box. Plugged it in. Wouldn't work. Did everything I could think of and called Best Buy and was transferred to the sales people in home theater. One felt sorry for me and gave me one of my Geeks' cell phone number. He talked me through a couple of things... still no TV. So, bless his heart, he came back...not easy from where he was. He couldn't get it to work either and decided I had a bad HDMI port or chip. BACK to Comcast I went...third time in 24 hours. Another box and voila, it works! I'm not unhooking a thing!

Wellllll....maybe. The old receiver may be going bye bye for a new one and more speakers. And the Geeks and I think I could get a 37 inch in the cabinet. But they couldn't think of a 37 inch that is as good as this TV with 120hz. They agreed that a 1080p wouldn't help me much below 40 inch and that I definitely don't have room for a 40 inch. So I have 30 days to decide if I want to go to a 37 inch. I'm tired of thinking about it. I'm watching a movie on HBO HD right now and it's amazingly better than my old TV!!!

Oh, I asked the installers if the calibration is worth it and they said very much so. I am seeing the reds in faces. I'm still not convinced it's worth that much!
 
Now you need to go buy Planet Earth Blu-Ray and watch that.

-David
 
that is a fantastic show...thankfully available through comcast on demand!

(in 1080i though) =D
 
...Oh, I asked the installers if the calibration is worth it and they said very much so. I am seeing the reds in faces. I'm still not convinced it's worth that much!

Seeing red faces is an issue that won't go away. Obviously it's no fun to buy a brand new TV and then have to pay more buck$ to make it work correctly. I know I would NOT be a happy camper. You might call the manufacturer and have them make it right. Maybe call Best Buy and give them the option to make it right, or provide a full refund.
 
All TVs sold in the US have red push and sharpness or contrast levels set way too high out of the box. They can all be adjusted manually with the normal user accessible controls to get rid of it. I think I posted this three times in this thread already. Glynda is either going to do it herself, pay somebody to do it, or live with it.

-David
 
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Didn't the geeks adjust the settings when they plugged it in? Did they show the user how to go about routine setting adjustment? If not, we may need to walk her thru some of those settings.

The issue I'm concerned about is having to go into the coded adjustments that are not discussed in the user manual. Again, if the image can't be brought into acceptable standards by a casual user, then there's a quality issue with the machine.
 
Go with the 1080P

Tomorrow is the day I must decide and purchase. I'm going to have to go with a 32 inch because of the cabinet.

On avs.com, if I understand what I'm reading (and I don't understand a whole lot on there),1080p really doesn't make any difference on smaller than 40 inches or when sitting more than 5 feet away from a small screen.

While Sharp seems to be the only choice for a 32 inch 1080p I've read that there is/has been a banding issue with Sharp. Somewhere I think I've read that's only on larger sets though. Does anyone here know the status of that issue?

Son-in-law is telling me that I don't need 1080p and that he'd wait on buying a Blu Ray player for awhile and just buy an HDDVD player that, as he put it, "jacks it up."

I'm just getting cross-eyed over this. But right now, it's between these three:

Sony Bravia XBR KDL 32XBR4 (720p) $1329 at Best Buy
Samsung LN-T3242H (720p) $809 at Best Buy
Sharp Aquos LC32GP1U (1080p) $1329 Best Buy

I haven't figured out yet if any of them have the 120hz.

While I don't like to waste money, the price difference doesn't matter IF I'm getting that much more quality and features for the money.

Thoughts?

I would definitely stick with the 1080P
We bought a mitsubishi 37" LCD 1080P and have it hooked up to our PS3 which also plays BluRay. It looks GREAT! I wouldn't buy a 720P and hook it up to a Blu Ray (you wouldn't get the benefits of the Blu Ray picture from a 720P)
Good Luck
 
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