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KBV Chapter 11 progress in court

Please remember that the severe structural defects go back a couple decades to the original Developer Pahio and not Wyndham. Pahio apparently had no oversight of the Construction. Or chose not to exercise their oversight. In Oregon the Construction Trade has gotten so bad that once the Prime Contract is awarded the Company/Owner hires a 2nd Prime to Birddog the first to make sure all Contract Requirements and Specifications are met/followed.
PAHIO (David Walter) was not the original developer. The original developer was in financial distress as unit sales were sluggish. Walter bought all the unsold units. The history is documented in the documents section of the owners community at https://kauaibeachvillasresort.com/owners-community/documents/
 
Please remember that the severe structural defects go back a couple decades to the original Developer Pahio and not Wyndham. Pahio apparently had no oversight of the Construction. Or chose not to exercise their oversight. In Oregon the Construction Trade has gotten so bad that once the Prime Contract is awarded the Company/Owner hires a 2nd Prime to Birddog the first to make sure all Contract Requirements and Specifications are met/followed.
Thanks but the many actions and inactions of Wyndham, Wyndham management, and the BOD after the fact is the legally questionable. The problem is who is going to pursue the matter? Being an old geezer isn't conducive to starting a movement against Wyndham with their herd of attorneys.
 
Time may have run on filing any lawsuit against Pahio or the Prime Contractor and Sub-contractors (if they are even still in business). It probably depends on if you start the timeline from the original building date or when the defects were discovered, which was several years ago. But then again the Building Companies are probably no longer in existent. Another trick some Contractors in Oregon have used is to dissolve the Contruction Company after a major project is finished. This happened in Salem Oregon on the construction of a major Building for Marion County. The Marion County Tax Payors paid twice. First $20M to build the Building. Then $20M to fix all the problems that made the Building unsafe to use.

The only recent success (last 30 years) that I am aware is the Building of the Worldmark Resort at Seaside. Wyndham successfully sued the Prime (major nation wide construction company) and all the Sub-Contractors for numerous construction defects. Wyndham collected millions and millions and millions from all the Insurance Companies, Prime Contractor, and Sub-Contractors. The repair work took years.
 
Thanks but the many actions and inactions of Wyndham, Wyndham management, and the BOD after the fact is the legally questionable. The problem is who is going to pursue the matter?
The whole unit owners at KBV filed a lawsuit on exactly these claims and others. The court absolved Wyndham of responsibility.
 
Time may have run on filing any lawsuit against Pahio or the Prime Contractor and Sub-contractors (if they are even still in business). It probably depends on if you start the timeline from the original building date or when the defects were discovered, which was several years ago. But then again the Building Companies are probably no longer in existent. Another trick some Contractors in Oregon have used is to dissolve the Contruction Company after a major project is finished. This happened in Salem Oregon on the construction of a major Building for Marion County. The Marion County Tax Payors paid twice. First $20M to build the Building. Then $20M to fix all the problems that made the Building unsafe to use.

The only recent success (last 30 years) that I am aware is the Building of the Worldmark Resort at Seaside. Wyndham successfully sued the Prime (major nation wide construction company) and all the Sub-Contractors for numerous construction defects. Wyndham collected millions and millions and millions from all the Insurance Companies, Prime Contractor, and Sub-Contractors. The repair work took years.
So many questions, so few answers. I have been on quite a few BODs in the past and have never not been totally forthcoming with full disclosure to those to whom the Board was acting on behalf of. This was my fiduciary responsibility and I was always totally aware of it.
 
I'd like to see an honest audit, but that will never happen...
 
I received a couple of letters re KBV which will no longer exist after 12/31/25 and and if we wanted to transition to Wyndham to reach out to them in hopes that we will still have a timeshare, I have tried contacting Wyndham by calling them an email and to no avail no one has bothered to answer or reply. I don’t want to lose all the years and money that I’ve invested with KBV and I’m hoping someone on this thread will be able to give me answers. If you need my email or phone Nbr to explain more in detail please let me know and again I’m hoping someone will have answers for me.
We did have a deed at KVB untill January one. We were not offered the point buy back option. We will get what ever the courts give us. The points are gone on our owners list along with the maintenance fee's with the cost for them. Not too upset about loosing KBV points and maint. fee's but the initial buying costs for the 8 years I had them was a bit much. so if I replace it down the road with something else it won't be at a meeting! We are still gold members but that doesn't do much for extras anymore anyway.
Gayle
 
We received a letter yesterday from the US Bankruptcy Court notifying us of next steps. There will be a hearing on March 16 at 2:00pm HT, with remote audio available. The hearing info lays out two separate motions:
  1. Motion for entry of an order
    1. approving auction and bidding procedures
    2. scheduling bidding deadlines and an auction
    3. approving the form and manner of notice thereof
  2. authorizing the sale of assets and
  3. granting related relief
They have a proposed real estate broker, and are aiming for bidding deadline of 5/22/2026, with an auction date - if necessary - of 6/3/2026.

The second motion is for an "Order authorizing use of AOAO Reserve Funds to pay administrative costs and expenses." KBV has a Merrill Lynch account currently holding about 2.6 million dollars. They want the court to know that they are only thinking of us owners: "the association could be force (sic) to make a special assessment on its owners and/or substantially increase the maintenance fees to pay the expenses of the chapter 11 case."
:rolleyes:
And then there is the third document giving more details about using the reserves. signed by Larry Warner, president of the board. In it there is an estimate of $600,000 worth of legal fees for this coming April alone.

These documents - plus earlier ones - are available at https://cases.stretto.cpm/kausibeachvillas. I downloaded them and am attaching them here.
 

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We received those letters too - what a bunch of BS! They just want to milk every penny out of this!
 
I will remind the Board and Chapter 11 trustee of the obligation to take into account the interests of the 7000 timeshare owners, the real party. They all want out. If the lawyers suggest something else, run.
 
The AOAO Board is not representing only the timeshare owners---they are also representing the whole owners. And there may well be some areas in which the interests of those two groups are not aligned. It is one of the reasons why this has been so very messy.
 
The AOAO Board is not representing only the timeshare owners---they are also representing the whole owners. And there may well be some areas in which the interests of those two groups are not aligned. It is one of the reasons why this has been so very messy.
There is no appearance of a conflict of interest here, it is a blatant conflict. I have sent numerous communications to Larry Warner, president of the BOD, over the years with not a single response. Who is Larry Warner? If the lawyers are getting $ 600,000.00 of our monies who are they representing and why? Something is not right! These high priced attorneys should check in brach of fiduciary responsibility.
 
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What about the money we all had to pay to fix the damages. We paid just over $600.00 on our 2 bedroom timeshare. Is that part of the money they are referring too? Initially we were told that the money would be returned if all the money wasn't collected or other actions were taken. I don't think they received all the money from everyone. I would like my money back, as I would think anyone else who paid that assessment.
 
As it turns out, they did end up receiving enough money to proceed with the Unit G and H repairs. And they did start to make the repairs. However, it is not known why they started the repairs knowing that the resort was probably going to close. Or how much was done toward to repairs. Or how much money was spent for this. It is all part of the mystery and some would say, conspiracy, that is KBV. You could say that when it is all said and done, there could be an accounting of all this, and some money returned, or you could be skeptical and consider it a lesson learned.
 
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As it turns out, they did end up receiving enough money to proceed with the Unit G and H repairs. And they did start to make the repairs. However, it is not known why they started the repairs knowing that the resort was probably going to close. Or how much was done toward to repairs. Or how much money was spent for this. It is all part of the mystery and some would say, conspiracy, that is KBV. You could say that when it is all said and done, there could be an accounting of all this, and some money returned, or you could be skeptical and consider it a lesson learned.
I agree. There are many mysterious questions which remain unanswered which should be answered by OUR BODs. I asked them but received no response. It is incumbent upon we, the owners, to let the Court know this by responding to the Court's request as per the documents presented above by Magmue.
 
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I agree. There are many mysterious questions which remain unanswered which should be answered by OUR BODs. I asked them but received no response. It is incumbent upon we, the owners, to let the Court know this by responding to the Court's request as per the documents presented above by Magmue.
I believe the pragmatic (i.e. maximizing size of potential residuals) is to not complain to the court. Lawyers will have to spend time and our money responding to such complaints with no possible source of additional funds pouring in.
 
I found the following statement in the above referenced email (arrived today 3/25/26) disconcerting...
"Additional work, if needed in Building G, and for the work to Building H, will require another special assessment." Special assessment to whom?
 
Does anyone have advice for how to correct my mailing address with the AOAO? The notices related to the bankruptcy are being sent to an old address. Unsurprisingly, no one is answering the phone at the resort (though the voice mail message is still there). I have emailed TeamKBV@stretto.com (the email contact listed on this page) in hopes they might be able to help, but if anyone has any other ideas, I am all ears.
 
Call or send USPS to AOAO lawyer

Proposed Debtor's Counsel​

Allison A. Ito, Esq.
Chuck C. Choi, Esq.
CHOI & ITO ATTORNEYS AT LAW Topa Financial Center
700 Bishop Street, Suite 1107
Honolulu, HI 96813
Telephone: 808.533.1877
 
I believe the pragmatic (i.e. maximizing size of potential residuals) is to not complain to the court. Lawyers will have to spend time and our money responding to such complaints with no possible source of additional funds pouring in.
Being pragmatic in the past has put the owners in a untenable position. I agree that complaining will prolong the matter and additional high legal fees and babysitting fees will result but when do the increased cost end and how many special assessments will be needed to pay for " additional work " and " legal fees " etc. ? Reread and think about " anticipated expenditures of legal fees in April of $ 600,000, " additional work, if needed " of ?????? " no maintenance fee increases at this time " and Wyndham and other baby sitting fees of ?????, There was no budget by the BOD for 2026 just a " rolling over of the 2025 budget ". Words matter. The $ 2,6 million dollars of our reserve money will be GONE in no time and that additional special assessment could occur.
 
Just wondering ? Is anyone paying MF on KBV anymore. My monthly total MF auto pay went down in January of what my KBV assessment was.
 
We haven't paid anything since 2024, and we don't intend to.
 
Is anyone paying MF on KBV anymore
AFAIK Wyndham did not send out MF invoices for 2026. Our account was up to date for 2025, but did not get a 2026 invoice.
when do the increased cost end and how many special assessments will be needed to pay for " additional work " and " legal fees " etc. ?
My gut says that all of that talk was intended to lay the groundwork for Motion #2 with the bankruptcy court. That's the motion that will allow the board (with Wyndham's help) to tap into the $2.6 million in reserves. The timeshare version of a golden parachute. And if owners object, we have been warned that by slowing down the process, we risk them running out of reserves money and needing to reach into our pockets yet again to cover their expenses. Um, I mean our expenses.
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In December I received my yearly updated MF sheet. All resorts were on it with my new monthly fee showing for each one. I added all resorts but the KVB MF divided by 12 and that is what my new 2026 monthly fee was. The last 2 months payment was actually 12 dollars lower than what I figured. Though each MF was higher than 2025.
 
We just received the bankruptcy paperwork in the mail and ran the document through ai asking if we need to file a claim as a timeshare owner. AI said probably yes but you would need to consult with a Hawaiian attorney. Has anyone done this?
 
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