just won a silver Myrtle Beach for $449 +closing. Why so cheap? [Ultimate Occupancy?]

[jeffwill]

Lot of good comments since I was last here.

We will be in HH from Oct. 26 to Nov. 23rd. The golf is great, the beach can be brisk but soothing, the happy hours beckon, and the bike riding is prime.

I HAVE rented extra weeks for friends at less than my MF's. Whatever you get-- use it and enjoy.

 

[MOXJO7282]

Silver on HHI is not the same as Silver at MOW. Silver at MOW covers 5-8, 37-48. Silver at MGO covers 5-12, 44-48, 51-52. Silver weeks 37-43 are Gold at HHI. These weeks at both locations run about the same TDI, which is around the middle.

I agree that Silver at MOW is a bit undervalued due to it covering 37-43. People get hung up on the label "Silver" and stop right there. It's similar to a Silver at Ocean Pointe being the same as Gold at Beach Place and covering some platinum weeks at Oceana Palms right next door.

I noticed this also about OP and watch out for those as well. I'm fairly certain any Marriott Gold OF unit will rent at MF+, some renting for $900 over MFs and others $200.

Take for instance GO Gold OF units. A week 35 when its before Labor Day can rent for $2000, because some are perceiving it as a platinum week, but that same unit reserved for week 44 will rent for about $1400-$1500.

So it stands to reason any silver OF week that some may perceive as more like a gold will rent also well.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

I noticed this also about OP and watch out for those as well. I'm fairly certain any Marriott Gold OF unit will rent at MF+, some renting for $900 over MFs and others $200.

Take for instance GO Gold OF units. A week 35 when its before Labor Day can rent for $2000, because some are perceiving it as a platinum week, but that same unit reserved for week 44 will rent for about $1400-$1500.

So it stands to reason any silver OF week that some may perceive as more like a gold will rent also well.

Exactly. Renters don't care what season label the week is attached to. They want a certain week and they will have to pay market to get it. The same is true in II. II does not have the Marriott "seasons" programmed into their system. Their formula is based on the specific week.

 

[dioxide45]

Joe, Did you win one of the Sumday Vacations auctions that were out there. I see two recently completed auctions for MOW both from Sumday. The problem I see with the auctions is that the view isn't listed anywhere. If one is astute enough, they could use the legal description information to look up and determine the actual view of the unit. Is that how you validated the auction you won was for an OF unit? With UO at Ocean Watch, relying on the unit numbers in the auction isn't enough.

Perhaps the lack of view information in the listing led to lower final bids?

 

[MOXJO7282]

Joe, Did you win one of the Sumday Vacations auctions that were out there. I see two recently completed auctions for MOW both from Sumday. The problem I see with the auctions is that the view isn't listed anywhere. If one is astute enough, they could use the legal description information to look up and determine the actual view of the unit. Is that how you validated the auction you won was for an OF unit? With UO at Ocean Watch, relying on the unit numbers in the auction isn't enough.

Perhaps the lack of view information in the listing led to lower final bids?

Yes I did. I'm assuming the unit number is correct as it is specifically referenced. If it is, then I've confirmed with Marriott its a OF unit. I'm looking to confirm before I make payment because as I said I'm only interested in OF. I'll let everyone know what I find out.

 

[dioxide45]

Yes I did. I'm assuming the unit number is correct as it is specifically referenced. If it is, then I've confirmed with Marriott its a OF unit. I'm looking to confirm before I make payment because as I said I'm only interested in OF. I'll let everyone know what I find out.

Be sure to verify, and see the estoppel. As you probably know, Ultimate Occupancy at Ocean Watch can mean you can't always rely on the unit number to verify view. You have to see the deed.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Yes I did. I'm assuming the unit number is correct as it is specifically referenced. If it is, then I've confirmed with Marriott its a OF unit. I'm looking to confirm before I make payment because as I said I'm only interested in OF. I'll let everyone know what I find out.

Both of the MOW Silver weeks on Sumday's site specified "Ocean View". I know from experience that they make clerical errors on their site as well as ebay regarding unit numbers, views, and floating weeks because they copy paste from previous listings. So far I have found the legal at the bottom of the listing on the site to be accurate but I also call them to verify if there are contradictions.

EDIT: The unit number does appear to be correct, or at least consistent, but the Sumday listing does specify OV.

 

[jme]

Both of the MOW Silver weeks on Sumday's site specified "Ocean View". I know from experience that they make clerical errors on their site as well as ebay regarding unit numbers, views, and floating weeks because they copy paste from previous listings. So far I have found the legal at the bottom of the listing on the site to be accurate but I also call them to verify if there are contradictions.

EDIT: The unit number does appear to be correct, or at least consistent, but the Sumday listing does specify OV.

Ocean View, for the record, means the top floors of the two back buildings, Pine and Maple. The first 7 or 8 floors in each bldg are Garden View. Ocean View is certainly not Oceanfront or even Oceanside. There have been numerous threads in the past ---- the view designations at MOW are confusing given the "ultimate occupancy" issue there, and how the villas were sold.





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[Saintsfanfl]

Ocean View, for the record, means the top floors of the two back buildings, Pine and Maple. The first 7 or 8 floors in each bldg are Garden View. Ocean View is certainly not Oceanfront or even Oceanside. There have been numerous threads in the past ---- the view designations at MOW are confusing given the "ultimate occupancy" issue there, and how the villas were sold.

I am almost certain that 3074 is Ocean View and not Ocean Front because this same unit number was sold on myresortnetwork where it was also listed as "Ocean View".

 

[SueDonJ]

I am almost certain that 3074 is Ocean View and not Ocean Front because this same unit number was sold on myresortnetwork where it was also listed as "Ocean View".

But as others have said, with Ultimate Occupancy being a possible factor the unit number on a deed for an Ocean Watch* week may mean nothing. If the OF designation was verified for Joe by Owner Modifications then it's probably correct (but I'd still hold out for the estoppel.) If it was verified by calling the resort then the verification is useless because the resort personnel don't know which deeds are affected.

*As far as we know Ocean Watch and SurfWatch are the only two resorts which were sold during the pre-construction phase with some deeds having "Ultimate Occupancy" views. With those that were, the original deeds were written with amendments that specifically reference the UO provision and terms. As said, only Owner Modifications can verify which deeds and the terms for each.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

But as others have said, with Ultimate Occupancy being a possible factor the unit number on a deed for an Ocean Watch* week may mean nothing. If the OF designation was verified for Joe by Owner Modifications then it's probably correct (but I'd still hold out for the estoppel.) If it was verified by calling the resort then the verification is useless because the resort personnel don't know which deeds are affected.

*As far as we know Ocean Watch and SurfWatch are the only two resorts which were sold during the pre-construction phase with some deeds having "Ultimate Occupancy" views. With those that were, the original deeds were written with amendments that specifically reference the UO provision and terms. As said, only Owner Modifications can verify which deeds and the terms for each.

That is very interesting.

 

[pedro47]

All the units @ MOW are 2 bedrooms units and I believed anything above the seventh floor you can see the ocean.

Just sit back and enjoy the resort.

 

[MOXJO7282]

I am almost certain that 3074 is Ocean View and not Ocean Front because this same unit number was sold on myresortnetwork where it was also listed as "Ocean View".

Unless I was given bad information from Marriott twice it should be OF. I called the resort directly twice and was told that anything in the 3000 bldg is OF.

Still awaiting confirmation from the seller.

 

[Fasttr]

If the OF designation was verified for Joe by Owner Modifications then it's probably correct (but I'd still hold out for the estoppel.)

If it was verified by calling the resort then the verification is useless because the resort personnel don't know which deeds are affected.

I called the resort directly twice and was told that anything in the 3000 bldg is OF.

I see a potential disconnect.

 

[MOXJO7282]

I see a potential disconnect.

Confirmed with Marriott Owner's modification that it is indeed OF. Now I wish I would've bought the other one they were selling also.

 

[Fasttr]

Confirmed with Marriott Owner's modification that it is indeed OF. Now I wish I would've bought the other one they were selling also.

Its always a good feeling to find out you bought what you thought you were buying. Congrats!

 

[jont]

Joe
Knowing what a savvy tugger you are I seriously doubt you have overlooked something. The early fall silver weeks are a great time to be there and if in not mistaken, its also a great time for golfing. Just be sure you indeed have a OF unit. As others have said, the unit on the deed does not always reflect the view. When I bought my ocean VIEW unit during the pre-construction period, they assigned a unit in one of the built buildings, not the back ones because they were not built yet. But they made it very clear my unit was a Ocean View.Its just something you should be very sure of. Good luck and enjoy.

 

[cory30]

Glad to hear you got confirmation from Marriott Owner Modifications as that (and an estoppel) is really the only way you can be sure. I owned an Ocean View unit that was deeded as unit #3031/Oceanfront but had an ultimate occupancy of Ocean View.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Confirmed with Marriott Owner's modification that it is indeed OF. Now I wish I would've bought the other one they were selling also.

The unit number or the deeded ownership? I know this same unit number, Gold Season, sold as Ocean View. It is sounding like the unit itself is Ocean Front but some ownerships have ultimate occupancy of OV. That department would definitely know unless you were asking them about the unit number.

 

[MOXJO7282]

The unit number or the deeded ownership? I know this same unit number, Gold Season, sold as Ocean View. It is sounding like the unit itself is Ocean Front but some ownerships have ultimate occupancy of OV. That department would definitely know unless you were asking them about the unit number.

HOLD THE DAMN PHONE!! Thanks for continuing to cast doubt because as a result I called Marriott Owner's Mod Dept again and sure enough it is an OV.

Very disappointed the first Owner's Mod rep gave me bad info even after I preseed him about OU and he seemed so certain. That misinformation almost cost me a lot of hassle because I was just about to push the pay button and who knows how the seller would have reacted if I asked for refund.

I did call the seller, explained the situation and offered to pay any fees they incurred but they said "no harm no foul" so that was refreshing.

Sorry I wasted everyone's time responding to my inquiry.

 

[SueDonJ]

HOLD THE DAMN PHONE!! Thanks for continuing to cast doubt because as a result I called Marriott Owner's Mod Dept again and sure enough it is an OV.

Very disappointed the first Owner's Mod rep gave me bad info even after I preseed him about OU and he seemed so certain. That misinformation almost cost me a lot of hassle because I was just about to push the pay button and who knows how the seller would have reacted if I asked for refund.

I did call the seller, explained the situation and offered to pay any fees they incurred but they said "no harm no foul" so that was refreshing.

Sorry I wasted everyone's time responding to my inquiry.

It's great that you found out before the point of no return, and I really don't think that you wasted anybody's time. Ultimate Occupancy can be a considerable wrinkle for both Ocean Watch and SurfWatch resales, and it's not a bad thing to be reminded of that every once in a while. Special mention should be made here of dioxide's first mention of UO.

 

[LisaH]

Glad that you were able to verify before sending over the money. Aren't tuggers great? So nice to see we are not only helping the new comers, but old timers as well

 

[Beefnot]

Great thread.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Fyi on Sumday. If you see something on ebay it means it is also listed on their website. Sometimes their site lists more info, which in this case was the view.

They only put listings on ebay if they don't sell on the site. It is interesting because sometimes after not selling for weeks it goes to ebay where it ends at a higher price. This happened on a New Orleans timeshare that recently ended. It was on the site at $699 all in for a few weeks and then ended on ebay at $709.26 all in.

Jeff Brown from Sumday is top notch and also a regular on TUG when there are Sumday issues posted. You would have had no trouble getting a refund.

 

[SueDonJ]

A related FYI -

As said, Ultimate Occupancy is only an issue with Ocean Watch and SurfWatch weeks, but not every one of those weeks. There's a simple first step to determine without involving Owner Modifications if a specific week may be subject to Ultimate Occupancy.

If you're dealing with an original* owner as the seller, the week's designation in his/her my-vacationclub account will have two views attached to it. Our two direct-purchase SurfWatch weeks show in our account as, "Oceanside/Gardenview" and "Oceanvista/Gardenview." They are oceanside and oceanvista, respectively. (But if I'm remembering correctly from past UO threads on TUG, the first/second place order of the views isn't always an indicator of what the week actually is.)

So if you or the seller's rep can ask the original owner to check his/her account, you'll know right away that UO is in play if the owner says s/he sees two view designations. Then you can get Owner Modifications involved immediately to verify the view. If the seller sees only one view designation in his/her account, UO isn't in play.

*I don't remember either if the two-view designation follows a week through its lifetime. If any Ocean Watch or SurfWatch owners who bought a resale with an UO provision want to check their accounts and tell us what they see, that'd be great.