Just landed a 2BR OV at MOC at 12 months out!

[thinze3]

I know there has been a lot of discussion, even from me, but it appears that Interval is stille getting some inventory as soon as it is made available by Marriott to its Vacation Club Members.

Last week I placed a Request First trade with Interval for a 2BR unit at either Maui Ocean Club or Lahaina & Napili Villas. I was using my Waiohai as trade bait. My confirmation was in my email this morning. Got the exact week we wanted, February 4-11, 2017. Even got the Saturday check-in.

The room code is ZZAA - ocean view.

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[Helios]

Interval isn't dead just yet.

Last week I placed a Request First trade with Interval for a 2BR unit at either Maui Ocean Club or Lahaina & Napili Villas. I was using my Waiohai as trade bait. My confirmation was in my email this morning. Got the exact week we wanted, February 4-11, 2017. Even got the Saturday check-in.

The room code is ZZAA - ocean view.

Do Marriott exchangers get better views than regular exchangers?

 

[GrayFal]

Do Marriott exchangers get better views than regular exchangers?

Nope, when trading thru II it is what the person deposits.

Congrats to OP but since you were trading a Hawaii to Hawaii week, not surprising. Apples to apples. And dangling the unit via request first certainly incentivized them to give you what you wanted

 

[thinze3]

... since you were trading a Hawaii to Hawaii week, not surprising. Apples to apples. ...

Not surprised at all that Waiohai would pull Maui, but I am surprised that Marriott allowed that Maui unit to go through so quickly. Marriott seems to have been controlling deposits into II and when they are released, especially at premium resorts and weeks with a high TDI. These weeks usually aren't released until well inside 6 months - usually at closer to 3 months.

 

[dioxide45]

This has to be an owner deposit. I think that it shows that Marriott isn't skimming deposits before they go to II, at least for owner initiated deposits. Also realize that a lot of people don't deposit their week in to II until very late (sometimes only at 6 months). It is possible that the week you got was from someone who had a request first trade in for somewhere else, when theirs matched, it allowed yours to match.

Congrats on the great trade!

 

[Helios]

Didn't know Marriott could have so much influence in II trades. I guess it makes sense. But, does it mean Marriott owns inventory that goes into II when an owner places an OGS they want? The dioxide45 post makes more sense to me as far as a likely explanation.

 

[GrayFal]

Not surprised at all that Waiohai would pull Maui, but I am surprised that Marriott allowed that Maui unit to go through so quickly. Marriott seems to have been controlling deposits into II and when they are released, especially at premium resorts and weeks with a high TDI. These weeks usually aren't released until well inside 6 months - usually at closer to 3 months.

This has to be an owner deposit. I think that it shows that Marriott isn't skimming deposits before they go to II, at least for owner initiated deposits. Also realize that a lot of people don't deposit their week in to II until very late (sometimes only at 6 months). It is possible that the week you got was from someone who had a request first trade in for somewhere else, when theirs matched, it allowed yours to match.

Congrats on the great trade!

Agree with dioxide, another owner depositing and trading like you. I matched to MAO studio using Willow Ridge 1BR (started search in August) right at the 12 month mark early January. Not as high demand as your match for sure but still shows II is a viable option at 12 months out.

 

[GrayFal]

Didn't know Marriott could have so much influence in II trades. I guess it makes sense. But, does it mean Marriott owns inventory that goes into II when an owner places an OGS they want? The dioxide45 post makes more sense to me as far as a likely explanation.

Marriott controls the Destination Club deposits into II and can also "pick" or "replace"deposits in II if they need it for a destination club request.

 

[NJDave]

I know there has been a lot of discussion, even from me, but it appears that Interval is stille getting some inventory as soon as it is made available by Marriott to its Vacation Club Members.

Last week I placed a Request First trade with Interval for a 2BR unit at either Maui Ocean Club or Lahaina & Napili Villas. I was using my Waiohai as trade bait. My confirmation was in my email this morning. Got the exact week we wanted, February 4-11, 2017. Even got the Saturday check-in.

The room code is ZZAA - ocean view.

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Congrats on a getting your trade. It's especially nice when you get the trade far in advance. It allows for better planning.

While its exciting to hear these trades, after seeing that your Waiohai pulls Marco Island when others don't (including my week 52 Orlando), I am not too optimistic that about getting these types of trades anymore unless you own a premium week like your Waiohai.

In the past, I did find that my best trades came exactly at the 12 month mark.

 

[cory30]

I know there has been a lot of discussion, even from me, but it appears that Interval is stille getting some inventory as soon as it is made available by Marriott to its Vacation Club Members.

Last week I placed a Request First trade with Interval for a 2BR unit at either Maui Ocean Club or Lahaina & Napili Villas. I was using my Waiohai as trade bait. My confirmation was in my email this morning. Got the exact week we wanted, February 4-11, 2017. Even got the Saturday check-in.

The room code is ZZAA - ocean view.



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Congrats on your exchange!

We had a similar experience last summer. I put a request first in with II on June 20, 2015 seeking an exchange of my 2016 Surfwatch Platinum week (week 26) for a 2 bedroom MOC for the same week. I received a confirmation two days later for an MOC 2 bdrm (week 26) ocean view.

I rarely, if ever trade this week but was looking for this specific week on Maui to dove tail with a week 27 exchange that we already had in place at HGVC Kingsland. It is good to see what I consider prime inventory being exchanged through Interval a year out.

 

[GregT]

I know there has been a lot of discussion, even from me, but it appears that Interval is stille getting some inventory as soon as it is made available by Marriott to its Vacation Club Members.

Last week I placed a Request First trade with Interval for a 2BR unit at either Maui Ocean Club or Lahaina & Napili Villas. I was using my Waiohai as trade bait. My confirmation was in my email this morning. Got the exact week we wanted, February 4-11, 2017. Even got the Saturday check-in.

The room code is ZZAA - ocean view.

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Terry,

That is terrific -- very happy to see this trade come through for you. I'm surprised an intact 2BR was deposited, and happy to see that Marriott didn't grab it for DClub. Enjoy it!

Best,

Greg

 

[Southerngirl528]

Wow, Thinze3! That is wonderful news!!! Woohoo!!! And the countdown has officially begun!

I was relieved to get my 3 weeks booked at the 13 month window in Napili/Lahaina where we own because I have had a time I couldn't get my rez at that first window. We'll be there around the same time. Whales, here we come!!!

 

[taffy19]

Really happy for you, Terry. I hope that you will have a nice view too.

You will see lots of whales even from the shore or in front of the resort but a whale watching trip would be so much nicer yet.

 

[Helios]

Sounds like a HI to HI trade helped in this case. I own a 2 BRLO OV at MKO and have not been able to exchange into Barony during the summer. Would you say my chances are low based on my deposit and desired destination. I guess HH is just to close to all the east coasters and makes demand and completion more intense than HI.

Interestingly enough, in 2011 I managed a last minute trade from a Sheraton Broadway Plantation studio to a Marriott Barony 2 BR. Last minute meaning I booked on Thursday and cancelled my Myrtle Beach resie right after. The next day we just kept driving a little farther had a blast.

 

[BobG7734]

Really happy for you, Terry. I hope that you will have a nice view too.

You will see lots of whales even from the shore or in front of the resort but a whale watching trip would be so much nicer yet.

We've been at Waiohai for 2 weeks and whales seem to be more plentiful this year and breaching closer to the shore than ever seen! Also pods of dolphins have appeared.

Next trip to HI is to Maui!!

BTW....does anyone know why MVCI purchases such uncomfortable sofas in Waiohai?

 

[BocaBoy]

I don't find OP's trade success at the 12-month mark to be surprising. As Dioxide said, it is undoubtedly an owner deposit.

 

[thinze3]

Sounds like a HI to HI trade helped in this case. I own a 2 BRLO OV at MKO and have not been able to exchange into Barony during the summer. Would you say my chances are low based on my deposit and desired destination. I guess HH is just to close to all the east coasters and makes demand and completion more intense than HI.

Interestingly enough, in 2011 I managed a last minute trade from a Sheraton Broadway Plantation studio to a Marriott Barony 2 BR. Last minute meaning I booked on Thursday and cancelled my Myrtle Beach resie right after. The next day we just kept driving a little farther had a blast.

I don't think you will will have a problem, but your trade may come at 3-4 months out, if recent history is any indication. You know that lots of people deposit their platinum units at Barony, but Marriott probably gives II lesser units, April for example, so they can place summer units into the DC program. Either way with your MKO deposit, you will be way up on the list.

When Marriott rolled out the DC program they had virtually no HHI units to place into the trust, or at least no platinum units, since everything was long sold out on HHI. Obviously all the II trades pre-DC came from owner deposits, and they did happen often. Once the DC program rolled out those trades into HHI summer became scarce. For that matter, all premium units became scarce within II even at locations with low trust inventory. There is a TUG thread where it was discussed that for a long while (post DC program) there were virtually NO premium trades being made at 12 months out. That now seems to have been relaxed somewhat.

IMO Marriott still has way more inventory control over all II deposits than what many here believe they do.

 

[thinze3]

Congrats on a getting your trade. It's especially nice when you get the trade far in advance. It allows for better planning.

While its exciting to hear these trades, after seeing that your Waiohai pulls Marco Island when others don't (including my week 52 Orlando), I am not too optimistic that about getting these types of trades anymore unless you own a premium week like your Waiohai.

In the past, I did find that my best trades came exactly at the 12 month mark.

We technically only need a 1BR, so I had also placed a trade request for a 1BR using a 2BR BeachPlace Presidents week 2017. I wan't willing to give up Waiohai for a 1BR, however. Now I guess we'll have to invite someone to go along with us.

 

[hangloose]

Great trade. I am sure your Waiohai trades well if you reserve a peak date. Personally, for Hawaii, I always find MOC the hardest to trade into. KBC, Waiohai, and Ko'Olina always seem easier to obtain.

For MOC specifically, I always wonder how many 2 bedrooms are placed into II for exchange? I expect most owners lock-off and deposit one or both sides leaving fewer 2 bedrooms for exchange.

I own a MGV 2bedroom lock-off. If I needed a MOC 2bedroom, I think I may have better luck locking off and attempting to get a 1 bedroom and studio vs attempting a 2bedroom to 2bedroom match. Who knows...I could even end up with something more than a 1 bedroom and studio.

Do others agree based on their experience? Lockoff vs exchange full 2bedroom?

 

[taffy19]

We've been at Waiohai for 2 weeks and whales seem to be more plentiful this year and breaching closer to the shore than ever seen! Also pods of dolphins have appeared.

Next trip to HI is to Maui!!

BTW....does anyone know why MVCI purchases such uncomfortable sofas in Waiohai?

Sounds great! I hope that the whales will not leave Maui earlier again like they did last year.

We have only seen one pod of whales in the Banderas Bay (Puerto Vallarta) so far. Normally, we see several pods in front of the resort but the water is too warm this year so they are further out in deeper water. This is what they explained to us because of El Niño.

I wonder if it has an effect in HI too but with more whales rather than less?

 

[taffy19]

Great trade. I am sure your Waiohai trades well if you reserve a peak date. Personally, for Hawaii, I always find MOC the hardest to trade into. KBC, Waiohai, and Ko'Olina always seem easier to obtain.

For MOC specifically, I always wonder how many 2 bedrooms are placed into II for exchange? I expect most owners lock-off and deposit one or both sides leaving fewer 2 bedrooms for exchange.

I own a MGV 2bedroom lock-off. If I needed a MOC 2bedroom, I think I may have better luck locking off and attempting to get a 1 bedroom and studio vs attempting a 2bedroom to 2bedroom match. Who knows...I could even end up with something more than a 1 bedroom and studio.

Do others agree based on their experience? Lockoff vs exchange full 2bedroom?

I believe that you are right that not many people deposit a 2 BR MOC unit in II. We tried both ways but only once succeeded a trade in II before the DC was introduced but we were not flexible in our dates so that didn't help.

It seems to be a lot easier to get what you want with the Destination Club than with II even as an enrolled member only.

 

[Retired2025 aka AlmostRetired]

All my experiences in using II for Marriott to Marriott exchanges were before the point program began and I have never had a challenge. Since the point program went into effect, I have either used or rented my 2 Monarch summer weeks. There has been a lot of discussion about II exchanges on tug so when I wanted to trade a Monarch week 33 (starting 8-13) for a Grand Ocean week 30 starting on 7-23, I did not know what to expect. After all, week 30 is much more desirable on HHI and hence an upgrade. The Monarch sleeps 6 and the GO 8 and hence considered an upgrade. Lastly, other then maybe me, just about all would consider the GO an upgrade over the Monarch. You now add inventory uncertainty and you have all the ingredients for an unsuccessful exchange. In September of 2015 I put a request first for the exchange for 2016 and three days later the exchange took place. One exchange is not an answer but when you get positive feedback like that of the OP, you become hopeful.

 

[GregT]

Great trade. I am sure your Waiohai trades well if you reserve a peak date. Personally, for Hawaii, I always find MOC the hardest to trade into. KBC, Waiohai, and Ko'Olina always seem easier to obtain.

For MOC specifically, I always wonder how many 2 bedrooms are placed into II for exchange? I expect most owners lock-off and deposit one or both sides leaving fewer 2 bedrooms for exchange.

I own a MGV 2bedroom lock-off. If I needed a MOC 2bedroom, I think I may have better luck locking off and attempting to get a 1 bedroom and studio vs attempting a 2bedroom to 2bedroom match. Who knows...I could even end up with something more than a 1 bedroom and studio.

Do others agree based on their experience? Lockoff vs exchange full 2bedroom?

My opinion is the intact 2BR units are very difficult to trade into, as most MOC owners would prefer to lock-off and get two deposits. I'm very happy for Terry to get an intact 2BR.

I do think a higher probability strategy is to try and trade a 1BR for a 1BR and a Studio for a Studio, and then construct the 2BR. That won't be simple, considering the variability in check-in dates and view categories, but I believe the supply is better. This was a favorite PerryM trick, to lock-off and trade his Summit Watch Gold for the 1Br and Studio pieces of a MOC, and then build the 2BR. I've never done it personally, and my experience at MOC has been trading a 2BR Willow Ridge for a 1BR MOC. This has happened reliably even in summer time, but I'm accepting the "downtrade" to get the 1BR unit, which was all I needed.

Good luck and I hope you get the space that you need!

Best,

Greg

 

[dioxide45]

My opinion is the intact 2BR units are very difficult to trade into, as most MOC owners would prefer to lock-off and get two deposits. I'm very happy for Terry to get an intact 2BR.

I do think a higher probability strategy is to try and trade a 1BR for a 1BR and a Studio for a Studio, and then construct the 2BR. That won't be simple, considering the variability in check-in dates and view categories, but I believe the supply is better. This was a favorite PerryM trick, to lock-off and trade his Summit Watch Gold for the 1Br and Studio pieces of a MOC, and then build the 2BR. I've never done it personally, and my experience at MOC has been trading a 2BR Willow Ridge for a 1BR MOC. This has happened reliably even in summer time, but I'm accepting the "downtrade" to get the 1BR unit, which was all I needed.

Good luck and I hope you get the space that you need!

Best,

Greg

Greg,

I think this will be our strategy when we try to go back to Hawaii again. If we need a 2BR we will just lock off both of our units and trade like for link in to a 1BR and a studio. Though we would be doing this for two islands. Maui and Oahu. The only challenge is getting the checkin dates of each to line up. I think Ko'Olina would be an easier trade using a 2BR for a 2BR, but with no exchange fee, I see no major downside to trading in to two smaller units. Of course there is always the chance that the resort won't be able put the units together to build a 2BR for us.