Is the US killing off tourism?

[SteelerGal]

Yes, the current Civil Rights Unrest is affecting tourism because of perception that it’s all about rioting. It’s truly far from it but the media has a job and know most ppl tend to accept the image instead of researching the why.
As an AA woman, I would still fill more comfortable in an urban setting because of diversity. I can not say the same for non diversified areas.

 

[bbodb1]

Yes, the current Civil Rights Unrest is affecting tourism because of perception that it’s all about rioting. It’s truly far from it but the media has a job and know most ppl tend to accept the image instead of researching the why.

It is not solely the rioting that concerns me, it is the increase in shootings in urban areas everywhere that has my attention. To express this in a math like fashion, as the concentration of people in an area increases, my desire to be in that area decreases exponentially.

But to directly respond to the point above, there is certainly protesting occurring without rioting (and that may even be true the majority of the time), but rioting is always born from protesting. And even protesting that does not degenerate into rioting often causes property damage. At least from my perspective, this is why I will avoid areas where protests occur both now and for quite some time in the future.

I think perhaps that more than any time I can recall in my life, living and traveling as rural as possible and practical looks extremely attractive to me. I think Agent K was right.

 

[Cornell]

@bbodb1 56 shot, 9 fatally, so far this weekend in Chicago

The fatalities included a 3-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl killed in separate shootings

This will register on no ones radar outside of Chicago

 

[SteelerGal]

It is not solely the rioting that concerns me, it is the increase in shootings in urban areas everywhere that has my attention. To express this in a math like fashion, as the concentration of people in an area increases, my desire to be in that area decreases exponentially.

But to directly respond to the point above, there is certainly protesting occurring without rioting (and that may even be true the majority of the time), but rioting is always born from protesting. And even protesting that does not degenerate into rioting often causes property damage. At least from my perspective, this is why I will avoid areas where protests occur both now and for quite some time in the future.

I think perhaps that more than any time I can recall in my life, living and traveling as rural as possible and practical looks extremely attractive to me. I think Agent K was right.

It depends on which urban area. We live in SoCal closer to Disneyland, yet I feel safer in LA. Diversity matters especially when you are POC. I am AA.
Rural America is not safe for my family and I.

 

[Cornell]

It depends on which urban area. We live in SoCal closer to Disneyland, yet I feel safer in LA. Diversity matters especially when you are POC. I am AA.
Rural America is not safe for my family and I.

That’s an interesting perspective. TY for offering that up .

 

[turkel]

@bbodb1 56 shot, 9 fatally, so far this weekend in Chicago

The fatalities included a 3-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl killed in separate shootings

This will register on no ones radar outside of Chicago

Every time I hear about the violence in Chicago I just can’t understand why anyone would live there.

It depends on which urban area. We live in SoCal closer to Disneyland, yet I feel safer in LA. Diversity matters especially when you are POC. I am AA.
Rural America is not safe for my family and I.

Are you saying you don’t feel comfortable in OC? My home is in south OC. I can’t imagine anyone not feeling safe there. I have a very diversified family from San Diego to Long Beach no race issues. My own children have had more “issues” (discrimination from supposed friends) based on religion than my family.

All I can say is what we teach our children is important.

 

[beejaybee]

Clearly I am not AA. The color of my skin is that of the majority of U.S. citizens. So while I have never worn the shoes of my black sisters, I do understand that in many, many places- urban, suburban or rural- at minimum there is a sense of unease when skin color (or dress such as an habib) makes one stand out from the others.

The closest situation to what AA persons might experience occurred for my DH and another couple when we walked into a small diner in a tiny upstate NY village. We were given the long stare from the other patrons for what seemed like minutes. Their demeanor told us we were not welcome in their neck of the woods. Since there were 4 of us we did stay, and service was fine, but it was a very uncomfortable experience.

What happened once for us I suspect happens daily for our fellow AA citizens.

 

[bbodb1]

FWIW: I do not feel at ease in any situation where I am in proximity with person(s) I do not know.
That is human nature, an instinct refined by one of the first lessons we are taught from our earliest days: stranger, danger.
Every human interaction is potentially fraught with peril until all parties take some action to put others at ease.
Familiarity. Common courtesy. Manners. Respect. Ethics.
All of these can go a long way toward breaking the tension that exists.
And they are in short supply these days - and getting shorter - as a result of the riots and the continual focus on group identity.

 

[Country Roads]

@bbodb1 56 shot, 9 fatally, so far this weekend in Chicago

The fatalities included a 3-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl killed in separate shootings

This will register on no ones radar outside of Chicago

"Although Chicago is probably the first city that springs to mind when you think of crime in Illinois, the Windy City is actually not the most dangerous place in the state. With a violent crime rate of 1,386 incidents per 100,000 people, Rockford stands as the most dangerous city in Illinois."

"Despite economic revitalization efforts creating new jobs in the automotive, aerospace, and healthcare industries over the last few decades, Rockford continues to struggle economically. Both its unemployment rate (6.8%) and poverty rate (22.2%) sit well above national averages."

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It seems that Chicago's criminal element must work harder if they wish to reach one of the top spots. As it stands now, there are 10 cities ahead in the race for most dangerous city. Yes, it came to a shock to me as well. I must admit that it was no surprise to see my hometown of Baltimore far ahead. This of course being the reason I no longer wish to visit that destination. Crime is simply running rampant and city leaders continue to turn a blind eye to it.

I wonder what it would be like if, like the current rallying cry, these cities bow to the protestors and defund law enforcement.

 

[JanT]

Well the U.S. might not be killing off tourism but with everything going on around the country I'm pretty sure many non-U.S. tourists might think twice before coming here for vacation.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Chicago shootings: 78 shot, 11 fatally,including 4 children, in violence weekend

Eleven people were killed, including four children, and more than 60 others wounded in shootings across Chicago over the weekend, police said.

abc7chicago.com

 

[am1]

"Although Chicago is probably the first city that springs to mind when you think of crime in Illinois, the Windy City is actually not the most dangerous place in the state. With a violent crime rate of 1,386 incidents per 100,000 people, Rockford stands as the most dangerous city in Illinois."

"Despite economic revitalization efforts creating new jobs in the automotive, aerospace, and healthcare industries over the last few decades, Rockford continues to struggle economically. Both its unemployment rate (6.8%) and poverty rate (22.2%) sit well above national averages."

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You may want to exercise caution if you’re thinking of traveling to one of the following 25 cities in the US!

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It seems that Chicago's criminal element must work harder if they wish to reach one of the top spots. As it stands now, there are 10 cities ahead in the race for most dangerous city. Yes, it came to a shock to me as well. I must admit that it was no surprise to see my hometown of Baltimore far ahead. This of course being the reason I no longer wish to visit that destination. Crime is simply running rampant and city leaders continue to turn a blind eye to it.

I wonder what it would be like if, like the current rallying cry, these cities bow to the protestors and defund law enforcement.

Not a city but CHAZ or whatever the terrorists are calling it now has the highest nationally in only a weeks of existent. Endorsement from the mayor of Seattle and others.

 

[TravelTime]

It is not solely the rioting that concerns me, it is the increase in shootings in urban areas everywhere that has my attention. To express this in a math like fashion, as the concentration of people in an area increases, my desire to be in that area decreases exponentially.

But to directly respond to the point above, there is certainly protesting occurring without rioting (and that may even be true the majority of the time), but rioting is always born from protesting. And even protesting that does not degenerate into rioting often causes property damage. At least from my perspective, this is why I will avoid areas where protests occur both now and for quite some time in the future.

I think perhaps that more than any time I can recall in my life, living and traveling as rural as possible and practical looks extremely attractive to me. I think Agent K was right.

Yes, I agree. We moved to a semi-rural small town near Auburn, California and have been staying out here. We are far from any rioting. The only thing I see so far are petitions to recall our governor due to the mask mandate. The rural folks want to do what they want and do not want to be forced to wear masks. I would say that is a small minority out here as I am guessing 75% of people are wearing masks now, up from about 50% before the mandate.

 

[TravelTime]

It depends on which urban area. We live in SoCal closer to Disneyland, yet I feel safer in LA. Diversity matters especially when you are POC. I am AA.
Rural America is not safe for my family and I.

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I am so sorry to hear that rural America does not feel safe for you. That is the big negative to rural America - lack of diversity. I welcome, if you feel safe, to share more of your experience with us. I am in Northern California and I used to split my time between SF Bay Area and semi-rural Auburn, CA. They are night and day different in terms of diversity, politics, lifestyle, wealth and values. There are pros and cons to each.

 

[Ken555]

Not a city but CHAZ or whatever the terrorists are calling it now has the highest nationally in only a weeks of existent. Endorsement from the mayor of Seattle and others.

You just made this thread political.


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[Brett]

You just made this thread political.


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yep

 

[dioxide45]

You just made this thread political.


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yep

Why not just report the post and move on?

 

[Country Roads]

You just made this thread political.


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Perhaps. Our language can be so misleading and misunderstood at times. I suppose we'll see soon enough if the moderators feel the same.

Technically, almost every word has multiple meanings. How often do you look up a word in the dictionary and find only one meaning listed next to it? Some would say practically never. Most of the words and terms we use have slightly varying meanings, or perhaps, can be used as different parts of speech.

The word "Political", being such a case.

 

[BagsArePacked]

Perhaps...misunderstood?

Nope, it's a well-traveled road.

"the terrorists"... "Endorsement"

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[Country Roads]

Nope, it's a well-traveled road.

Perhaps.

 

[bbodb1]

Yes, I agree. We moved to a semi-rural small town near Auburn, California and have been staying out here. We are far from any rioting. The only thing I see so far are petitions to recall our governor due to the mask mandate. The rural folks want to do what they want and do not want to be forced to wear masks. I would say that is a small minority out here as I am guessing 75% of people are wearing masks now, up from about 50% before the mandate.

Oh wow, @TravelTime - you live on one of our most memorable drives DW and I took in the late 80's - from San Francisco to Reno. That trip was our first visit to the mountains and I can still recall stopping in Truckee to check out the area. I still recall how lush the west side of mountains were and then how brown and dry everything was as we started down toward Reno. So many vineyards in the area around Sacramento (or so I recall)....Fond memories of that trip!

 

[bbodb1]

Perhaps. Our language can be so misleading and misunderstood at times. I suppose we'll see soon enough if the moderators feel the same.

Technically, almost every word has multiple meanings. How often do you look up a word in the dictionary and find only one meaning listed next to it? Some would say practically never. Most of the words and terms we use have slightly varying meanings, or perhaps, can be used as different parts of speech.

The word "Political", being such a case.

I recall a scene from the movie 2010 that reminds me how powerful words can be and how their multiple meanings can convey concurrent messages.
When Dr. Chandra asks SAL to create a new file to test out how deactivation may have effected HAL, Dr. Chandra selects the name PHOENIX. SAL is curious why this name was chosen and Dr. Chandra asks SAL why she thinks the name was chosen. SAL replies that Phoenix was the tutor of Achilles and Dr. Chandra replies that he was not aware of that definition and has a look of wonder on his face as he has just learned something new. That has stuck with me all those years...

Edit: Found it!

 

[bbodb1]

One last thought this morning along this line: diversity has become one of those words that suffer from too many meanings. Diversity has both positive and negative connotations and unless great care is exercised when it is used, the perceived meaning is too often vastly different than the understood meaning.

 

[am1]

Nope, it's a well-traveled road.








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What would you call them? No one complained when foreign terrorists were talked badly about on here. It goes to killing tourism for elected officials to endorse them and police to keep their distance. Not sure I can count on people in power doing the right thing when they are faced with to them a tough decision because they are unwilling to take charge. Hopefully done of us are bleeding out on the street from a gunshot wound and others are preventing the police and paramedics from helping. Every second counts.

 

[Ken555]

Why not just report the post and move on?

I did. Post still here. What does that say about our objective moderators?

Unless you’ve been under a rock, using the word terrorist in regards to CHAZ can only mean one particular political viewpoint. It’s not even subtle.


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