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Interval international unit size upgrade fee??

Next thing you know II will start charging for each step you go up in terms of a resorts rating. So one extra strep from Premier to Elite, two extra steps from Select to Elite, and three extra steps from non rated to Elite.

These are the picky kind of fees I dislike with the independents. Some charge for size including total occupancy (so a 2 br sleeps 6 going to a 2 br sleeps 8 would be charged an extra fee) and season.

It is only a matter of time. They didn't create the new Elite resort designation for nothing...
 
I think this change will make some people rethink the value of adding EPlus. $54+99 doesn't make those upgrades as attractive. If you get your initial trade for a studio, you may just be happy with it and not bother with the $54 fee in hope of getting an upgrade for $99 or more.
 
Oh I'm so sad. I was looking at exchanges yesterday and this fee wasn't there. I'm very sad to see the fee for instant exchanges to larger rooms.

I also want to know like another Tugger asked what exactly is the "Flexchange" time period?
 
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I think this change will make some people rethink the value of adding EPlus. $54+99 doesn't make those upgrades as attractive. If you get your initial trade for a studio, you may just be happy with it and not bother with the $54 fee in hope of getting an upgrade for $99 or more.
Totally agree with this. I was adding it to all trades but I think that's over for now.
 
Totally agree with this. I was adding it to all trades but I think that's over for now.

I would not e plus again. It took up too much time and was aggravating. I would not have had to pay the $99 since I only got to upgrade in flexchange ( which is the 59 day window prior to check in ).

This will alter my strategy but the cheap in me will find a way to limit paying these fees.
 
Oh I'm so sad. I was looking at exchanges yesterday and this fee wasn't there. I'm very sad to see the fee for instant exchanges to larger rooms.

I also want to know like another Tugger asked what exactly is the "Flexchange" time period?

Flescahnge is the period of 59 days from checkin. No fee applies during that time. That will be the time when getting those upgrades will be harder. Those adding EPlus will be waiting till then to snag the upgrade instead of further out.
 
Perhaps this is just a side effect of EPlus? With people being able to retrade for a $54 fee, it has put pressure on the number of larger units available in the inventory. THis might loosen that inventory a little.

I don't know if I would have rather seen this type of fee or a TPU type of system like RCI has. This new fee has just catapulted II above RCI in how expensive each are to trade in their network.
 
It depends on the where and the when. Marriott seems to fairly regularly dump units in close to check in date. With others not so much. Even so If I wanted a 2 br vs the studio I was currently confirmed in (let's say at Surf Club) and one became available 6 months in advance, I might just pay the $198 to confirm the larger unit especially if that meant another person could come on the trip now that there is room. If there is just two of us I would definitely pass up the 2 br upgrade and would wait until flexchange for a 1 or 2 br unit.


One thing those using eplus will need to be careful about is sizing up and down during the 3 retrades. Lets say I use a 1 br and confirm into a studio. I see an retrade into a 2 br. I would hope I would only have to pay the difference between the 1 br that I relinquished and not the studio I accepted. Later I realize that those dates don't work for me at all so I do a place holder eplus into a 1 br (this is a mistake because I think if I use my last retrade for a 2 br, I would have to pay the upgrade fee again). Finally I make my last exchange.
 
It depends on the where and the when. Marriott seems to fairly regularly dump units in close to check in date. With others not so much. Even so If I wanted a 2 br vs the studio I was currently confirmed in (let's say at Surf Club) and one became available 6 months in advance, I might just pay the $198 to confirm the larger unit especially if that meant another person could come on the trip now that there is room. If there is just two of us I would definitely pass up the 2 br upgrade and would wait until flexchange for a 1 or 2 br unit.


One thing those using eplus will need to be careful about is sizing up and down during the 3 retrades. Lets say I use a 1 br and confirm into a studio. I see an retrade into a 2 br. I would hope I would only have to pay the difference between the 1 br that I relinquished and not the studio I accepted. Later I realize that those dates don't work for me at all so I do a place holder eplus into a 1 br (this is a mistake because I think if I use my last retrade for a 2 br, I would have to pay the upgrade fee again). Finally I make my last exchange.

Another question, do they credit the fee already paid with one retrade upgrade to the next retrade. Say I trade a studio in to a 1BR and pay the $99 fee. What happens when I go and retrade in to a 2BR. Do I pay the $198 fee now? Or do they give me credit for the $99 fee I already paid?
 
I also think that the fee structure is flawed. It is the same fee to upgrade from a studio to a 1BR as it is to go from a 1BR to a 2BR. There is a big difference in the two types of exchanges. First, the total occupancy in many cases is the same for a studio and a 1BR. The same isn't true for a 1BR and a 2BR. You can often get double the number of people in most 2BR units as you can in a 1BR. The fee from a studio to a 1BR should be a lot less than from a 1BR to a 2BR. I also think the last tier to a 3BR should be lower. $100 more for an extra room that can often only sleep two more people.
 
The funny thing is when DAE first started to charge an upgrade fee, they only charged it on studios. Originally there was no fee to upgrade from a 1 br to a 2br. The reasoning behind the fee was they had a glut of studio deposits that no one wanted. The have since implemented the upgrade fee to all size units including double upgrade fees to go from studio to 2 br.
 
Does this now mean that in a search result, a studio will return larger units even when it does not have the trade power (as in the past) to trade up? Does it also mean that in OGS, we can pay extra for the option to trade to larger units?
 
Does this now mean that in a search result, a studio will return larger units even when it does not have the trade power (as in the past) to trade up? Does it also mean that in OGS, we can pay extra for the option to trade to larger units?

No, the system will still only return "comparable" exchanges, if one of those "comparable" exchanges happens to be larger than the unit you deposited, you will pay the fee. You still won't be able to see anything and everything available in inventory.
 
I'm super disappointed with the fee. Yesterday, I was thinking to take the 2 br St Thomas, but I waited. This morning, we decided it will be great if we take an extra vacation to St Thomas, and the next thing was the $117 upgrade fee for my studio exchange which wasn't there yesterday. So we scraped the plan to St Thomas. Very disappointed and this is not cool, Interval.
 
I also think that the fee structure is flawed. It is the same fee to upgrade from a studio to a 1BR as it is to go from a 1BR to a 2BR. There is a big difference in the two types of exchanges. First, the total occupancy in many cases is the same for a studio and a 1BR. The same isn't true for a 1BR and a 2BR. You can often get double the number of people in most 2BR units as you can in a 1BR. The fee from a studio to a 1BR should be a lot less than from a 1BR to a 2BR. I also think the last tier to a 3BR should be lower. $100 more for an extra room that can often only sleep two more people.

The step between a studio and a 1 bedroom is bigger than 1 bedroom to 2 bedroom. Most studio don't have kitchen, a lot sleep only 2 and those that sleep 4, all people sleep in the same room (not practical with young children that go to bed earlier). If you look at most 2 bedroom lock-off, you will see that the studio represent 1/3 and the 1 bedroom, 2/3 of the area. So, if they implement different fee than the studio to the 1 bedroom should have the highest fee. Also, studio are the least popular size.
 
More and more fees for that II gets for free. This is getting to the point of absurd. We all pay a membership fee in one way or another to literally give our weeks to II for FREE. We hope for something in return. The return is now greatly diminished. We would often deposit a 1BR or studio 125 TDI week and trade it for something well under that TDI while bumping up the unit size. What you see online when doing an instant exchange search was supposed to already be comparable inventory to what you are giving up. That apparently isn't the case any longer with these new fees.
 
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Another question that comes to mind is what if I have paid an upgrade fee, say from a studio to a 2BR, it costs me $118, I buy ePlus, then I do another retrade to a 1BR at another resort, will it know that I had already paid for a size upgrade once? Then if I retrade again from a 1BR back to a 2BR, will it charge me another size upgrade fee? It is making my head spin....
 
No, the system will still only return "comparable" exchanges, if one of those "comparable" exchanges happens to be larger than the unit you deposited, you will pay the fee. You still won't be able to see anything and everything available in inventory.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ha! I just did a trade test. In the past my studio was not able to see NCV and now it returns NCV results, for a $118 exchange fee, I can have a NCV instant exchange!!! I had been able to trade in a studio to NCV through OGS in the past, just not through instant exchange.

I think it makes a studio a little better with this new upsize fee!
 
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ha! I just did a trade test. In the past my studio was not able to see NCV and now it returns NCV results, for a $118 exchange fee, I can have a NCV instant exchange!!! I had been able to trade in a studio to NCV through OGS in the past, just not through instant exchange.

I think it makes a studio a little better with this new upsize fee!

I just did a search for NCV using a studio unit and a 3BR. The 3BR sees four units available where the studio can only see three. The one that is missing is an April 2017 week that the 3BR can see that the studio can't. So inventory is not completely open for the pickings.
 
I just did a search for NCV using a studio unit and a 3BR. The 3BR sees four units available where the studio can only see three. The one that is missing is an April 2017 week that the 3BR can see that the studio can't. So inventory is not completely open for the pickings.

OK... maybe it gives 1 bump and not 2 bump in trade strengths. :)
 
We've owned and exchanged since 1998. There have always been changes that required we modify our exchange behavior and, at times, even what/where we owned. This is no different. It will change how members exchange. It will make some things more easily available, some less so.

This past year I've been fortunate enough to rid ourselves of three timeshare ownerships. I had the foresight to join internal exchange programs when I could. I am down to one unit that we might lock-off for a studio unit to exchange into a larger unit and, even that particular unit we don't like to lock off, even though we don't need the space.

Adaptation is what you have to be good at with timeshare ownership as the playing field continues to change. For some it means getting out, others will adapt. I see an end to the value of timeshare exchange for us in the future but, for now, there remains some value. We are down from 4 or 5 I.I. exchanges to 1 or 2 per year. It's very likely we'll be down to zero exchanges in the near future.

I've preached own where you're happiest going and/or in a system your happiest remaining in. As the exchange companies find new ways to bill owners, I feel that's becoming more important as time goes by.
 
Getaways started increasing after ILG bought Hyatt and now those fees happen after ILG bought Starwood. It looks like in place of increasing MF of those owners like DRI do when they buy other TS brands, ILG asked II to pump more money to mommy.
 
I might have to rethink Eagle Crest or some of the Marriotts where they only have 2-bedroom units that I can usually see with a studio. It's not like there's an option to take a smaller unit.
 
I think this fee will probably make owners of high demand studios, one bedroom weeks use Rci instead of II unless they are trading for a comparable time and place.


Just what I am thinking about doing myself. I'm sitting on 2 July 2017 units to deposit into II (waiting for AC offer). I'm not thinking about just sending them the 2 BR and give RCI the 1BR.

But, in the end, I still do like II resorts better.


For those that trade a 2BR into a 1BR.....can you still XYZ in that scenario?
 
To give everyone another point of view..... and don't kill the messenger.

For the owners of 2 and 3 bedroom non lockoff units, this makes us feel like the playing field has leveled out somewhat. When I would hear and read of all the fantastic uptrades using a studio, and I traded my two bedroom for the same size unit..... it seemed unfair. Imho......
 
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