intercept them and politely say, ‘We distributed masks here—why aren’t you wearing one?’

[VegasBella]

Study in Bangladesh Identifies Keys to Encouraging Mask-Wearing

A team of researchers, including Yale SOM’s Jason Abaluck and Mushfiq Mobarak, tested multiple methods for encouraging use of masks in Bangladesh and identified a group of simple interventions that tripled usage.

insights.som.yale.edu

Study on masks found that two interventions were most effective at getting people to wear masks and that threat of punishment was NOT one of them.

"The key ingredient that was needed to see larger increases in mask-wearing was the deployment of monitors to gently intervene when people weren’t wearing masks. 'They walk around and if somebody is not wearing a mask, they intercept them and politely say, ‘We distributed masks here—why aren’t you wearing one?’ If the person didn’t have a mask or couldn’t go home and get one, the monitor offered a free surgical mask."

"The team tested a variety of other interventions that did not prove to make a difference. For example, seeing the impact of the monitors, they wondered if a monitor accompanied by a village police officer would be even more effective. 'It turns out that that doesn’t increase the effect size any more,' Mobarak says. 'It’s not so much that there’s a threat of legal sanction that people are worried about. It’s more this informal sanction—the awkwardness of that conversation and people’s desire to avoid that little bit of shame that you might feel.'”

 

[MrockStar]

So where encouraging public shaming of people here on TUG ?

 

[DrQ]

So where encouraging public shaming of people here on TUG ?

If it is the RULE of a PRIVATE business, it's not shaming - it's compliance. (Iron fist in a velvet glove)

 

[MrockStar]

OK, thanks, i will be sure to not support/purchase products/services from that business.

 

[Snazzylass]

OK, thanks, i will be sure to not support/purchase products/services from that business.

yeah, sorry, I'm really over all of this. I've played along and tried to be respectful. Now, everyone who wants a vax has it. So, what's the point of the mask?

I went to Sedona this week. Honestly, I'm more worried about hikers not bringing enough water on the trail. Went to 2 favorite shops. 1 insisted on a mask. meh, did not buy anything. I really did not understand the request. It's likely she has health issues, but I assume she has been vaxed. It was just the 2 of us.

I knew the other was going maskless last summer. So, yes! I do want to support small businesses. Of course I was too dirty & sweaty after hiking to try on anything Luckily, I was in the market for accessories.

 

[Cornell]

The big CDC mask announcement was a week ago .

Read the article. I feel like we have entered the “bargaining” phase of the states of grief.

 

[DrQ]

Keep in mind, this study was done in Bangladesh, which I'm assuming is having the same devastating COVID outbreak as in India and Nepal:

Bodies of COVID-19 victims among those dumped in India’s Ganges -govt document

Bodies of COVID-19 victims have been found dumped in some Indian rivers, a state government said in a letter seen by Reuters, the first official acknowledgement of an alarming practice it said may stem from poverty and fear of the disease in villages.

www.reuters.com

Gas furnaces’ grills melt as cremations continue 24x7 | Surat News - Times of India

Surat: The heavy rush of bodies at Surat crematoriums over the last two weeks has taken a toll on its ‘modern’ infrastructure.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

So masks are a LITTLE more important in that part of the world.

BTW: I have coworkers over there which I hope survive this mess.

 

[SueDonJ]

Keep in mind, this study was done in Bangladesh, which I'm assuming is having the same devastating COVID outbreak as in India and Nepal:

Bodies of COVID-19 victims among those dumped in India’s Ganges -govt document

Bodies of COVID-19 victims have been found dumped in some Indian rivers, a state government said in a letter seen by Reuters, the first official acknowledgement of an alarming practice it said may stem from poverty and fear of the disease in villages.

www.reuters.com

Gas furnaces’ grills melt as cremations continue 24x7 | Surat News - Times of India

Surat: The heavy rush of bodies at Surat crematoriums over the last two weeks has taken a toll on its ‘modern’ infrastructure.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

So masks are a LITTLE more important in that part of the world.

BTW: I have coworkers over there which I hope survive this mess.

Don as well but as the days/weeks/months go on, he's more and more worried about the friends and co-workers he met while working in India for a couple years. Several are in contact but some are not, and the same infrastructure that made the COVID-related devastation inevitable is causing at least some of the lack of communication. He used to talk about future reunion trips with his golf group of guys from India, the US, Germany, Australia and England but now he wonders if those will ever happen. Actually seeing how poorly the country is/was prepared to deal with a crisis, not just theorizing how bad it could be, has given them all a wake-up call.

 

[lynne]

The state of Hawaii still has a mask mandate indoors and when you are not able to socially distance outdoors. The problem is that you cannot tell who has been fully vaccinated and who has not. There are a more than a few groups who live in the state who do not believe in masks or vaccinations.

Hawaii retailers deal with mask-mandate confusion | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Hawaii retailers say there is now even more confusion over masking among customers after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said vaccinated people no longer have to wear them in most indoor settings.

www.staradvertiser.com

COVID-19 cluster at Kaimuki church covered up by congregation, text messages show | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Leaders of a church in Kaimuki appear to have covered up a large cluster of COVID-19 infections among their congregation that emerged after an Easter Sunday service as they spread misinformation and conspiracy theories about the dangers of the vaccine.

www.staradvertiser.com

 

[rickandcindy23]

The state of Hawaii still has a mask mandate indoors and when you are not able to socially distance outdoors. The problem is that you cannot tell who has been fully vaccinated and who has not. There are a more than a few groups who live in the state who do not believe in masks or vaccinations.

Hawaii retailers deal with mask-mandate confusion | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Hawaii retailers say there is now even more confusion over masking among customers after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said vaccinated people no longer have to wear them in most indoor settings.

www.staradvertiser.com

COVID-19 cluster at Kaimuki church covered up by congregation, text messages show | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Leaders of a church in Kaimuki appear to have covered up a large cluster of COVID-19 infections among their congregation that emerged after an Easter Sunday service as they spread misinformation and conspiracy theories about the dangers of the vaccine.

www.staradvertiser.com

So if you have been vaccinated, don't wear a mask because you are VACCINATED. The people who aren't wearing masks and haven't had the vaccine, that is called personal responsibility. It's on them. If they get Covid, they get it and will have to live with their choices. It's called freedom and personal responsibility for one's own health. When did we dictate to people that they must have vaccines and flu shots?

I have the vaccine.

Went to WalMart yesterday to buy potting soil, half of the people had masks, most of the employees still seemed to wear them but not all. Costco, 75% of customers had no masks. The pharmacists and people at the optical department, no masks. That was good to see. Still plexiglass between customers and cashiers, but most were not wearing masks.

This is a positive thing to see.

 

[lynne]

So if you have been vaccinated, don't wear a mask because you are VACCINATED. The people who aren't wearing masks and haven't had the vaccine, that is called personal responsibility. It's on them. If they get Covid, they get it and will have to live with their choices. It's called freedom and personal responsibility for one's own health. When did we dictate to people that they must have vaccines and flu shots?

I have the vaccine.

Went to WalMart yesterday to buy potting soil, half of the people had masks, most of the employees still seemed to wear them but not all. Costco, 75% of customers had no masks. The pharmacists and people at the optical department, no masks. That was good to see. Still plexiglass between customers and cashiers, but most were not wearing masks.

This is a positive thing to see.

It is still a state mandate here. It is simply not the maskless that will be susceptible to the virus, it will also affect those that wear a mask and are next to someone without a mask. Masks are not 100% and neither is the vaccine. I am also vaccinated but am immuocompromised. I have to go interisland for medical checkups and really do appreciate that masks are still required in the state.

For residents and visitors who do not want to comply with the state rules, they should stay home or move to the mainland where they can be mask free. There is a reason for the annunal darwin awards. This is all about caring about the health of others.

 

[Fried_shrimp]

So where encouraging public shaming of people here on TUG ?

Exactly. I would respond "because it is not required by law". If they said "as a private business, we require one" I would respond with "thank you for that information, I guess I will take my business elsewhere".

 

[Cornell]

Exactly. I would respond "because it is not required by law". If they said "as a private business, we require one" I would respond with "thank you for that information, I guess I will take my business elsewhere".

Just did that a few hours ago. I was invited to a Cubs game. Said "no thanks" because I'm not willing to sit outside in a ballpark wearing a mask.

 

[Fried_shrimp]

The state of Hawaii still has a mask mandate indoors and when you are not able to socially distance outdoors. The problem is that you cannot tell who has been fully vaccinated and who has not. There are a more than a few groups who live in the state who do not believe in masks or vaccinations.

Hawaii retailers deal with mask-mandate confusion | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Hawaii retailers say there is now even more confusion over masking among customers after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said vaccinated people no longer have to wear them in most indoor settings.

www.staradvertiser.com

COVID-19 cluster at Kaimuki church covered up by congregation, text messages show | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Leaders of a church in Kaimuki appear to have covered up a large cluster of COVID-19 infections among their congregation that emerged after an Easter Sunday service as they spread misinformation and conspiracy theories about the dangers of the vaccine.

www.staradvertiser.com

But they are they ones who are putting themselves at risk, if they consider it a risk to begin with. If they don't consider it a risk and are willing to accept the consequences then there is no problem with them not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask.

 

[lynne]

But they are they ones who are putting themselves at risk, if they consider it a risk to begin with. If they don't consider it a risk and are willing to accept the consequences then there is no problem with them not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask.

If you read the entire post, neither vaccines or masks are 100% effective and these non-vaccine/ non-mask believers put others at risk as well as themselves- this is where community spread starts - I am thankful that based on your beliefs, you will find other places to vacation outside of Hawaii that will be amenable to the relaxed or non-existent mask mandate in our state

 

[Fried_shrimp]

If you read the entire post, neither vaccines or masks are 100% effective and these non-vaccine/ non-mask believers put others at risk as well as themselves- this is where community spread starts - I am thankful that based on your beliefs, you will find other places to vacation outside of Hawaii that will be amenable to the relaxed or non-existent mask mandate in our state

I read the entire thread. Please don't assume. Non-vaccinated people are not putting vaccinated people at risk.

I have no plans to go back to Hawaii except for a couple of nights on our Tahiti cruise (I didn't create the cruise itinerary) and that's not until 2023.

Nothing, I repeat nothing, is guaranteed in life other than death. Not even taxes.

 

[JIMinNC]

If you read the entire post, neither vaccines or masks are 100% effective and these non-vaccine/ non-mask believers put others at risk as well as themselves- this is where community spread starts - I am thankful that based on your beliefs, you will find other places to vacation outside of Hawaii that will be amenable to the relaxed or non-existent mask mandate in our state

I have supported and practiced "masking up" and doing my part for the last 15 months. I believe in the effectiveness and science surrounding masks and believe they have saved countless lives. I totally agree that we all have had a responsibility to each other to do the right things to keep each other as safe as we can. I've been "all in" on the "we're all in this together" concept.

I do think, however, that the paradigm is changing, because I also believe in the science of vaccines. We now have very good vaccines that, while not 100% effective, are very close to 100% effective in preventing severe disease and death for those who are vaccinated. They also appear to greatly reduce the likelihood that a vaccinated person who is exposed can unknowingly spread the disease to others.

If someone chooses not to get these vaccines, do you and I still have the responsibility to keep THEM safe? They can get the vaccine now. We have enough supply. I eagerly got the "jabs" as soon as I could, but it seems to me, if someone chooses, for whatever reason, NOT to get the vaccine, they are assuming their own risk of illness and/or death. By getting the vaccine, you and I are still helping protect the unvaccinated since we are much less likely to spread the disease, but for how long should I still change my behavior to protect those who won't get the shot? They have a way to give themselves almost 100% protection from severe disease and death, so if they choose not to avail themselves of that, why should you or I try to protect them if they don't take the responsibility to protect themselves? IMHO, they are on their own. At some point, when the options are there to protect your own health, you have a responsibility to protect yourself, not rely on others to do so.

I realize less masking could put immunocompromised people, as I believe you said you are, at some greater risk, but when my late father-in-law was battling cancer and undergoing chemotherapy a couple decades ago, he made sure to avoid the most risky situations when he was immune compromised after treatments. But with these vaccines, thankfully, I think the evidence shows that the vaccines are still effective in protecting immunocompromised people to a great degree, so you will still have considerable protection when going about your normal life. (At least that's what our 26 yr old son's doctor told him about the vaccines. He has Crohn's disease.)

Reaching true "herd immunity" seems unlikely, but we seem to be close to reaching the point where the risk to vaccinated people will be next to nil. Do we still have a responsibility to keep protecting the vaccine-unwilling indefinitely?

 

[Cornell]

The latest “talking point” I hear is that children must continue to be masked in school settings bc there are immune-compromised children there. Ok, sure. And that’s not great. But that’s been the situation pre-Covid & we didn’t mask up healthy children all day.

The masking of children must end . It’s unhealthy both physically and psychologically. Children shouldn’t have to struggle to breathe to go to school. Some kids are masked 10 hours a day if they participate in an after school activity like sports.

Unmask children! Give them their lives back.

 

[Brett]

So if you have been vaccinated, don't wear a mask because you are VACCINATED. The people who aren't wearing masks and haven't had the vaccine, that is called personal responsibility. It's on them. If they get Covid, they get it and will have to live with their choices. It's called freedom and personal responsibility for one's own health. When did we dictate to people that they must have vaccines and flu shots?

I have the vaccine.

Went to WalMart yesterday to buy potting soil, half of the people had masks, most of the employees still seemed to wear them but not all. Costco, 75% of customers had no masks. The pharmacists and people at the optical department, no masks. That was good to see. Still plexiglass between customers and cashiers, but most were not wearing masks.

This is a positive thing to see.

yes, definitely positive
more vaccinated people is good (positive) ... freedom !

 

[bluehende]

But that’s been the situation pre-Covid & we didn’t mask up healthy children all day.

Yes pre-covid.

It’s unhealthy both physically and psychologically

I assume you have any reference for this nonsense.

Of course if parents rant and rave about masks the kids will mirror their parents behavior. My young grandkids have and do have no problems with masks. In fact they like them because of the theme.

Do masks cause lower oxygen levels?

An Ohio State pulmonologist shares whether or not wearing a mask lowers your oxygen levels.

wexnermedical.osu.edu

 

[Yellowfin]

Yes pre-covid.


I assume you have any reference for this nonsense.

Of course if parents rant and rave about masks the kids will mirror their parents behavior. My young grandkids have and do have no problems with masks. In fact they like them because of the theme.

Do masks cause lower oxygen levels?

An Ohio State pulmonologist shares whether or not wearing a mask lowers your oxygen levels.

wexnermedical.osu.edu

Why do you always have to belittle others, in this case cathegorizing her comment as "nonsense"?

In your article I do not see any research on kids about the short and long term, physical and psychological consequences from lowering the oxygen intake by wearing masks for 5-7 hours straight. By the way, if you think your grandkids should wear masks 7 or 24 h a day, fine with me.

 

[bluehende]

Why do you always have to belittle others, in this case cathegorizing her comment as "nonsense"?

In your article I do not see any research on kids about the short and long term, physical and psychological consequences from lowering the oxygen intake by wearing masks for 5-7 hours straight.

Because again it is false info and nonsense. But thanks for joining.

Mask Mythbusters: Common Questions about Kids & Face Masks

Cut through all the misinformation with these 5 common questions about kids and masks, along with evidence-based information that will put your mind at ease.

www.healthychildren.org

your turn to actually post something of value.

 

[Yellowfin]

Because again it is false info and nonsense. But thanks for joining.

Mask Mythbusters: Common Questions about Kids & Face Masks

Cut through all the misinformation with these 5 common questions about kids and masks, along with evidence-based information that will put your mind at ease.

www.healthychildren.org

your turn to actually post something of value.

@TUGBrian Personal attack. He can say he does not agree with me or with @Cornell in a nicer way, I assume. Of course "value" is subjective and what is not of value for him may be for others.

 

[Patri]

Because again it is false info and nonsense. But thanks for joining.

your turn to actually post something of value.

Here we go again.

 

[Cornell]

@TUGBrian Personal attack. He can say he does not agree with me or with @Cornell in a nicer way, I assume. Of course "value" is subjective and what is not of value for him may be for others.

Wasn’t even aware. Officially ignored .