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If it cost $10k to build a unit why wouldn't a developer buy them back once they fall to say $5k?

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I know, why buy at 5k when you can buy for $1k or even less. You would think that $1 timeshares are damaging to the industry but the $40k TS continue to sell! Maybe it's just us making a mountain out of a mole hill? Besides aren't we biteing the had that feeds us?

I bought a VVP unit below cost (about $1k), and after using it for over 10 years, I guess I shouldn't have a problem paying the next owner $3k. I'm sure it would take less but even if that's what it takes I consider $4k an excellent value.

When it comes to TS development, we should be like Oliver Twist
 

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Once they sell a timeshare week, someone is responsible for the annual maintenance fees. If the developer buys that week back, they are responsible for the full fee to the HOA. They have a lot of their own unsold weeks that they are sitting on and either having to pay the fees on those or cover the guaranty. The guaranty is usually cheaper for them to cover on unsold weeks than the full maintenance fee on re-aquired weeks.

Timeshare weeks can be a liability to the developer too. It is the sad state of the industry.
 

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I know, why buy at 5k when you can buy for $1k or even less. You would think that $1 timeshares are damaging to the industry but the $40k TS continue to sell! Maybe it's just us making a mountain out of a mole hill? Besides aren't we biteing the had that feeds us?
I think TUG Members are the minority of timeshare purchasers. Being in this Echo Chamber, we tend to design systems that should work, but the rule makers of the game won't budge.

If commissions and selling a unit is $5,000 (WAG here but say 10% of $30,000 and $2,000 in incentives to sell the unit) I think their gross profit must be in the $10,000 range to make their overhead work and for new units say 2x that.

Timeshares don't sell themselves and in general, the industry has done a great job of creating demand for units.

Resale units have many motivated sellers, and few buyers, supply and demand has meant that Developers can literally charge sellers to take units back and then resell them at a full profit.

Personally, the price drop and product quality drop that the Retail Buyer experiences is the number one issue I see. This however also has a positive for the Developer, once someone buys something even if it’s not a good fit for them, they come back and get resold on a better fitting product for them. Of all the issues I see in this industry, the product fit aspect is the issue, for many the cost is not an initial issue, but it becomes one as they learn about the actual rules of the timeshare game.

Nobody needs a vacation, timeshare, or a vacation home. These are aspirational expenses for most people and as ScoopKona said, many or not 1%-ers looking for 1% lifestyles. Some people can't afford the dream they were sold, and it is very sad to see so many people have timeshares become budgetary expenses they can no longer afford. We see this in almost everything in our society, mortgages, car payments, student loan payments, etc. our society is operating on debt and long-term that has the potential to be a nightmare. Sorry for the soapbox... :)
 

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If commissions and selling a unit is $5,000 (WAG here but say 10% of $30,000 and $2,000 in incentives to sell the unit) I think their gross profit must be in the $10,000 range to make their overhead work and for new units say 2x that.
The publicly traded timeshare companies disclose their VPG (value per guest). It is their sales divided by number of tours. In 3rd quarter Marriott Vacations was about $3800. HGVC was closer to $3300. That is after all tour incentives, gifts, marketing and other commissions are paid.
 

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I know, why buy at 5k when you can buy for $1k or even less. You would think that $1 timeshares are damaging to the industry but the $40k TS continue to sell! Maybe it's just us making a mountain out of a mole hill? Besides aren't we biteing the had that feeds us?

I bought a VVP unit below cost (about $1k), and after using it for over 10 years, I guess I shouldn't have a problem paying the next owner $3k. I'm sure it would take less but even if that's what it takes I consider $4k an excellent value.

When it comes to TS development, we should be like Oliver Twist
Why do you care if they take advantage of other people? I have no problem being a vulture picking over scraps at the landfill.
 

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Why do you care if they take advantage of other people? I have no problem being a vulture picking over scraps at the landfill.
Yes, and there are plenty of weeks out there that are worthy of paying the fees and renting for a profit.
 

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Some people can't afford the dream they were sold, and it is very sad to see so many people have timeshares become budgetary expenses they can no longer afford.
That's because they were sold on this based on lies and skewed facts and figures that the sales people presented such as:

1) You can easily sell this later on down the road for well above what we're selling it to you for today.
2) Even if you don't vacation, you can make scads of money on rental income.
3) The vacation savings you'll get each year will pay for this in a few years' time.

As for " timeshares [becoming] budgetary expenses they can no longer afford", from what I've read from posters here who desperately want to get rid of their TSs, that statement is only partially true. Ones who come on here wanting desperately to get rid of their TSs (I emphasize, this is from what I have observed on these boards) don't complain as much about the MFs as they do about the peripheral costs of traveling. Most say something along the lines of "I can no longer afford to travel" rather than say "I can no longer afford the maintenance fees."

Accommodations ( in this case, TSs) are just a small portion of traveling expenses.
 
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