I don 't understand?????

[shagnut]

Thru Wyndham I have reserved a week at Worldmark Estees Park. They charged me 180K points but when I checked on Wynds website the most points for a week was 164K I called and the rep agreed with me and went to her supervisor to get it corrected. She said that's what Worldmark charges them & there was nothing they can do to fix it, that it was correct??? How can they charge me more than the site says. They sent me a survey on the phone call & I said just that, how can you charge me more than you have listed. I haven't heard anything. It left me with a lousy 14K points that I don't think is worth anything.

Am I correct or do I need more educating???

shaggy

 

[ronparise]

this is an associate resort:

pg 209 of the directory says "points values are subject to change"....

They changed

 

[CO skier]

It left me with a lousy 14K points that I don't think is worth anything.

If you make a reservation within the Express Reservation window (less than 90 days to arrival), you can borrow points from your next Use Year at no charge. If you wait until 45 days before arrival, you may find a discount that will stretch those 14K points even further. Those 14K points, plus some borrowed points could make a nice 2-3 night short stay, especially if you can avoid staying over a Fri. and Sat. night.

 

[shagnut]

That's basically what the guide said, I could do a lot if I waited until closer to check in time. My main beef was being charged more than the chart said, and I still think it isn't fair. shaggy

 

[lcml11]

That's basically what the guide said, I could do a lot if I waited until closer to check in time. My main beef was being charged more than the chart said, and I still think it isn't fair. shaggy

If the lower figure you cited is right, it appears they are within the 20 percent level of increasing/decreasing points. Not defending them.

 

[CO skier]

That's basically what the guide said, I could do a lot if I waited until closer to check in time. My main beef was being charged more than the chart said, and I still think it isn't fair. shaggy

This is not what I meant, at all. If you are traveling to Estes Park during peak season, it is too risky to try to cancel and rebook within 45 days of arrival to try to get the reservation at a discount.

I meant only to suggest a way to make use of the 14k points you have remaining and give them some value.

 

[shagnut]

I understood what you meant. I am thinking of using those points at Steamboat Springs before I check into Estees,.shaggy

 

[CO skier]

I am thinking of using those points at Steamboat Springs before I check into Estees,.shaggy

With the 27 units at Steamboat that the Wixon lawsuit forced onto Wyndham from WorldMark, this year at least, you should have no trouble finding something at a discount within 45 days of arrival - even during peak season. If what you are looking for does not appear right at 45 days, keep checking, especially around the 15-20 days before arrival, as a lot of cancellations happen then.

 

[Rent_Share]

With the 27 units at Steamboat that the Wixon lawsuit :rofl:forced :hysterical::roflnto Wyndham from WorldMark.

Wow - Wyndham orchestrated the settlement

 

[CO skier]

Wow - Wyndham orchestrated the settlement

Yes, the "lawsuit" was a joke, but without the lawsuit, those 27 units at Steamboat Springs and the few hundred other units involved would still be in the WorldMark system. (Before the lawsuit, Wyndham was not seeking to add them to the Club Wyndham system). The end result does not matter much to Wyndham; they either sell the units as credits in the WorldMark system or as points in the Club Wyndham system.

Club Wyndham owners are the beneficiaries, though, because there is now considerably more available inventory at Steamboat Springs (and the other resorts involved).

 

[Rent_Share]

Worldmark Owners received a 500 point reduction on some of the newer properties (3 %) Wyndham received 400 + Units that they could now check in to say they were "forced" on the Wyndham owners is typical of the arrogance the @WVO owners reflect in this forum

 

[CO skier]

Worldmark Owners received a 500 point reduction on some of the newer properties (3 %) Wyndham received 400 + Units that they could now check in to say they were "forced" on the Wyndham owners is typical of the arrogance the @WVO owners reflect in this forum

I am an arrogant WorldMark owner who owns a much smaller stake in the Wyndham Plus program.

"force - def., to put or impose something forcibly upon another"

... that's exactly what the lawsuit did with regard to the 400 plus WorldMark units -- it is just the fact.

The plaintiffs wanted the underutilized units taken out of the WorldMark system (and many WM owners agreed with this objective). The lawsuit forced Wyndham to take them out.

 

[Rent_Share]

The plaintiffs wanted the underutilized units taken out of the WorldMark system (and many WM owners agreed with this objective). The lawsuit forced Wyndham to take them out.

Dis-agreement required opting out of the settlement, agreement was imposed on those who took no action to object which ended up being an ultra majority.

Court ordered Wyndham to sell the units, and who did they sell them to, their other time share group, truly an arm's length transaction, from the left arm to the right arm.

 

[CO skier]

Dis-agreement required opting out of the settlement, agreement was imposed on those who took no action to object which ended up being an ultra majority.

Court ordered Wyndham to sell the units, and who did they sell them to, their other time share group, truly an arm's length transaction, from the left arm to the right arm.

If you were to read the Wixon settlement, you would learn that it required the "transfer" of units from WorldMark to Wyndham and the cancellation of the credits associated with the transferred units. The word "sell" was never associated with the underutilized units. Either way, it was an extraction that was forced on Wyndham. What else would Wyndham do with the extracted units than import them into the Club Wyndham system?

 

[rleigh]

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"force - def., to put or impose something forcibly upon another"

... that's exactly what the lawsuit did with regard to the 400 plus WorldMark units -- it is just the fact.

The plaintiffs wanted the underutilized units taken out of the WorldMark system (and many WM owners agreed with this objective). The lawsuit forced Wyndham to take them out.

My understanding is that if there was any "forcing," it was Wyndham's doing. Also I didn't think that was the original intent of the plaintiffs. But, it's neither here nor there, at least for now. It just (understandably) leaves some of us with a sour taste in our mouths.

Worldmark Owners received a 500 point reduction on some of the newer properties (3 %) Wyndham received 400 + Units ....

Has that happened? Is it just on newer properties coming into the system? Or would it apply to places like Long Beach Wa?


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[ronparise]

Has that happened? Is it just on newer properties coming into the system? Or would it apply to places like Long Beach Wa?


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It happened at the resorts where the credit allocation was deemed too high. which were resorts brought into the system since Wyndham took over the developers roll. One example is the Avenue Plaza Resort in New Orleans. The one bedrooms are now 500 credits less at 11500/red week

 

[cotraveller]

It happened at the resorts where the credit allocation was deemed too high. which were resorts brought into the system since Wyndham took over the developers roll. One example is the Avenue Plaza Resort in New Orleans. The one bedrooms are now 500 credits less at 11500/red week

The full list of the WorldMark resorts that had credit values reduced as a result of the settlement is as follows. Note that this resort list is different than the list of resorts which had units transferred from WorldMark to Wyndham

Anaheim
Camlin
Las Vegas – Tropicana
Long Beach - Washington
New Orleans
San Diego
San Diego Mission Valley
San Francisco
Santa Fe
Taos
West Yellowstone

The reductions ranged from 500 to 1,500 WorldMark credits for booking a week in Red season. There had been complaints from owners about the credit allotments being too high and complaints about under utilized resorts. Now there are complaints that the credit reductions were not large enough and complaints about units being removed from under utilized resorts.

 

[55plus]

Thru Wyndham I have reserved a week at Worldmark Estees Park. They charged me 180K points but when I checked on Wynds website the most points for a week was 164K I called and the rep agreed with me and went to her supervisor to get it corrected. She said that's what Worldmark charges them & there was nothing they can do to fix it, that it was correct??? How can they charge me more than the site says. They sent me a survey on the phone call & I said just that, how can you charge me more than you have listed. I haven't heard anything. It left me with a lousy 14K points that I don't think is worth anything.

Am I correct or do I need more educating???

shaggy

I met a WorldMark owner at Wyndham Waikiki Beach Walk yesterday. We were talking and he had a similar problem. It cost him more points than he thought it should. I told him what I read on TUG about Wyndham v. WorldMark points and this thread. He never heard of TUG, but he is interested so we may be getting another member.

 

[bnoble]

There had been complaints ... Now there are complaints

From timeshare owners? Hard to believe.

 

[Rent_Share]

I met a WorldMark owner at Wyndham Waikiki Beach Walk yesterday. We were talking and he had a similar problem. It cost him more points than he thought it should. I told him what I read on TUG about Wyndham v. WorldMark points and this thread. He never heard of TUG, but he is interested so we may be getting another member.

The only cross over between WM and WVO Waikiki would have required RCI or an independent exchange company

 

[Rent_Share]

From timeshare owners? Hard to believe.

New Rope

 

[55plus]

The only cross over between WM and WVO Waikiki would have required RCI or an independent exchange company

I don't know how he did the reservation, but he thought he was ripped off. Now that you mention it, he did ask if I had to pay an RCI exchange fee. I said, "No, we own here."

 

[shagnut]

I understand what you guys are saying, but I think you would be po'd too if it says 164K and you were charged 180K points. They didn't even tell me it was more when I booked it. I only noticed it when I checked my point status. shaggy

 

[CO skier]

I understand what you guys are saying, but I think you would be po'd too if it says 164K and you were charged 180K points. They didn't even tell me it was more when I booked it. I only noticed it when I checked my point status. shaggy

You have a valid point, especially since the points chart STILL shows 164,500 points for a prime season reservation at Estes Park. Despite the disclaimer on the chart, "Points values subject to change," I would suggest calling Owner Care and making the case that, "I understand the points values are subject to change, but they have not changed on the points chart, so why am I being charged 180k for something that is listed on the points chart as 164.5k?"

If you do not get the answer you want in the first call, try calling back on other days to see if you can't get a better answer -- can't hurt.

It is like the gas stations -- they can't change the pump price before they change the sign (advertised) price. Wyndham should have to change the points chart before they can start charging reservations at the new points value.

 

[benyu2010]

The only cross over between WM and WVO Waikiki would have required RCI or an independent exchange company

The Studio unit of Wyndham Waikiki is available to WorldMark Travelshare (developer program) owner as an affiliate. I think WM+A (pre-Jun 2006) owners may also book it.