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Hyatt Pure Points Program

Is there a site or thread that shows what the latest maintenance fees are at the various HRC properties? I realize Pinon Pointe is the lowest MF per point, but was wondering what are the other resorts that have relatively low MF/point after Pinon.
 
Sunset Raven Im intrigued by your post. We have not mastered Interval at all, and rarely find inventory we want. How do find out when there are bulk deposits? Is that something as a Hyatt owner we are privy to or strictly for Starwood owners? I have heard that the Orlando Starwood Bella phase are lower initial costs than Kierland. Do you know what MFs are for Sheraton Bella?
 
Just adding a note relative to MF and point values. You may want to consider Wild Oak. While not at the Pinon Pointe level of MF, WO's are at the lower end of the spectrum and the property has 3 Bd units - thus providing higher point count for just one MF.
 
We own both Hyatt and Westin. I definitely would not buy a 2200 point Hyatt unit with the hope of trading into Maui. Maui is currently very difficult to trade into using Hyatt's internal system. I suspect it will probably never be easy to get using Hyatt points. If you can travel on short notice, you may get it, but you most definitely cannot count on it. Conversely, it is easy to trade into Maui or Kauai using Westin SOs, as long as you don't have to go during the winter season. Even then, if you can book 8 months out, your chances are much better of getting a Westin unit than a Hyatt unit. A platinum plus at Westin Kierland will likely run a couple of thousand more, but will greatly increase your chances going to Hawaii when you want to and quite possibly at all...

Thanks!! When you say short notice, how short is that usually? In a week? Or 1-2 months?

The Hyatt suites in kaanapali are just so much nicer than Westin :D
 
Sunset Raven Im intrigued by your post. We have not mastered Interval at all, and rarely find inventory we want. How do find out when there are bulk deposits? Is that something as a Hyatt owner we are privy to or strictly for Starwood owners? I have heard that the Orlando Starwood Bella phase are lower initial costs than Kierland. Do you know what MFs are for Sheraton Bella?

You can become a member of tugbbs and have access to the sightings forum. But what I also usually do is check every morning. That's usually when deposits happen or people cancel. If you're checking in the evenings generally nothing "great" will be available. It would've been snatched up.

Then for seeing other Starwood properties when there is a availability via a mini or bulk deposit other Starwood owners get a 72 hour priority window.

Svv Bella and keywest phases are also mandatory resorts for Starwood but they don't have the platinum plus season and therefore you have to buy more than one unit to get the points you need to go to Maui so you are paying two maintenance fees. Also I think I quoted the wrong maintenance fee for Kierland… I think it's either 1450 Or 1500. If you go to the Starwood someone has a database of maintenance fees
 
Just adding a note relative to MF and point values. You may want to consider Wild Oak. While not at the Pinon Pointe level of MF, WO's are at the lower end of the spectrum and the property has 3 Bd units - thus providing higher point count for just one MF.


Ooooo I like that idea!
 
Is there a site or thread that shows what the latest maintenance fees are at the various HRC properties? I realize Pinon Pointe is the lowest MF per point, but was wondering what are the other resorts that have relatively low MF/point after Pinon.
Here are a couple of relevant M/Fs:
Wild Oaks = $1207 (2 BR); $1558 (3 BR)
Beach House = $1235 (2 BR)
 
Thanks!! When you say short notice, how short is that usually? In a week? Or 1-2 months?

The Hyatt suites in kaanapali are just so much nicer than Westin :D

If you want to be guranteed a week at the Hyatt Kaanapali, then you should buy a week there. Presently, that is the only way you can be guranteed a week there. I am a risk-taker, but the stakes are way too high for me to buy a Hyatt unit somewhere else with the hope of being able to use points to go there (as it stands now). The difference between Westin and Hyatt quality (neglible, IMO) would certainly not be enough for me to make this gamble...
 
If you want to be guranteed a week at the Hyatt Kaanapali, then you should buy a week there. Presently, that is the only way you can be guranteed a week there. I am a risk-taker, but the stakes are way too high for me to buy a Hyatt unit somewhere else with the hope of being able to use points to go there (as it stands now). The difference between Westin and Hyatt quality (neglible, IMO) would certainly not be enough for me to make this gamble...

Heh fair enough. But it's the little things that make the difference for us. We have stayed at both. We love the all glass sliding doors at both master bedroom and living room. The large terrace. Perhaps those little things aren't worth the price tag though lol

We do love to travel so we would more than likely be content to travel elsewhere too. It's just that really with any other place we want to go that Hyatt owns I've seen show up on interval with our Sheraton trader.

Thanks for the feedback! The whole points program rollout potential also worries me a bit.
 
Heh fair enough. But it's the little things that make the difference for us. We have stayed at both. We love the all glass sliding doors at both master bedroom and living room. The large terrace. Perhaps those little things aren't worth the price tag though lol

We do love to travel so we would more than likely be content to travel elsewhere too. It's just that really with any other place we want to go that Hyatt owns I've seen show up on interval with our Sheraton trader.

Thanks for the feedback! The whole points program rollout potential also worries me a bit.

The other factor that should be taken into consideration is the pending introduction of the PPP program. This will very likely (over time) reduce the number of units available for we legacy owners to trade into, which could make it even more difficult to use points to go to Maui. Over on the Marriott forum, some believe that a similar introduction by Marriott (several years ago) has led to a reduction in resale prices (along with other factors). In your case, I believe a wise choice would be to look for a Hyatt Kannapali resale..
 
The other factor that should be taken into consideration is the pending introduction of the PPP program. This will very likely (over time) reduce the number of units available for we legacy owners to trade into, which could make it even more difficult to use points to go to Maui. Over on the Marriott forum, some believe that a similar introduction by Marriott (several years ago) has led to a reduction in resale prices (along with other factors). In your case, I believe a wise choice would be to look for a Hyatt Kannapali resale..

Lizap, you say there is a reduction in resale prices, I'm assuming now, as a result of what Marriott did. How long did that take? Also, what happened to prices right after the new program was introduced? Thanks!!

JC
 
The other factor that should be taken into consideration is the pending introduction of the PPP program. This will very likely (over time) reduce the number of units available for we legacy owners to trade into, which could make it even more difficult to use points to go to Maui. Over on the Marriott forum, some believe that a similar introduction by Marriott (several years ago) has led to a reduction in resale prices (along with other factors). In your case, I believe a wise choice would be to look for a Hyatt Kannapali resale..
I agree. It would probably be a transition as they convince more and more owners to adjust to HPP and thus reducing the inventory pool for legacy owners. So there may be higher resale prices in the short term if people fomo but overtime it would likely decrease.

But if the rumor is true that Maui remains a legacy resort I wonder how then HPP owners would be able to trade into Maui at all ??
 
Lizap, you say there is a reduction in resale prices, I'm assuming now, as a result of what Marriott did. How long did that take? Also, what happened to prices right after the new program was introduced? Thanks!!

JC

I would direct you to the threads on the Marriott forum that discuss this. Note this was discussed as one possible factor. Seems to make sense to me.
 
Would love to hear from other Hyatt owners who have had success using points to get to Hyatt Kannapali for the specific week they wanted. I have been looking for a week since they opened and have never seen a week. Wonder if you put in an ongoing request, what your chances would be?

QUOTE="SunsetMaven, post: 1979631, member: 84427"]I agree. It would probably be a transition as they convince more and more owners to adjust to HPP and thus reducing the inventory pool for legacy owners. So there may be higher resale prices in the short term if people fomo but overtime it would likely decrease.

But if the rumor is true that Maui remains a legacy resort I wonder how then HPP owners would be able to trade into Maui at all ??[/QUOTE
 
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...But if the rumor is true that Maui remains a legacy resort I wonder how then HPP owners would be able to trade into Maui at all ??
All currently owned Maui units are in the legacy program. Any Maui units sold by Hyatt will go into the legacy program. As of late, more than 50% of the units have not yet been sold so that's a lot of upside and will make it easier for HRC members to trade in, not harder.

The only way to get Maui units into the PPP is thru resale ROFR and Maui owners opting into the PP Program. To me, that is a small impact on future trades.
 
All currently owned Maui units are in the legacy program. Any Maui units sold by Hyatt will go into the legacy program. As of late, more than 50% of the units have not yet been sold so that's a lot of upside and will make it easier for HRC members to trade in, not harder.

The only way to get Maui units into the PPP is thru resale ROFR and Maui owners opting into the PP Program. To me, that is a small impact on future trades.


Kal, it would seem to me that one of the best ways for Hyatt to entice people to buy into the PPP system is to tell them that theywill be able to get to the Hyatt Kannapali using points. I strongly suspect Hyatt will find a way for new PPP owners to have access to this resort...
 
It's still not clear why Maui was the only resort singled out to remain in the legacy system. Indeed, that would have been a huge draw to get owners to flip into the PPP and for newbies to buy into the PPP.
 
My guess is that ,its simply that they can make more selling them outright as the cost is so significantly higher than elsewhere. I'm sure
there will be many other enticing units in the plan. I know there were some Westin units mentioned now that they own both.
 
A Director at Byatt Residence Club
Said Maui will stay Legacy as this property has multiple owners and a developer all sharing. Seems this group would not want to dilute their ownership
With points. Plus Points program will likely have an annual dues amount based on number of points. If $0.80 per points then 2,200 pints will be $1,660 or ~$1,000 less than Maui dues.
 
With Hyatt's new Key West Season upgrades for most weeks they are exercising on ma y of these weeks, along with Piñon Pointe.
Hyatt will open a new Sales office in Key West to sell points, so it's obvious they will try very hard to sell (at least) 2,200 points to every prospect in order to use 19 different weeks that are now Diamond.
 
Just like Marriott, it will take quite a few points to get in during high seasons so Hyatt will have a much higher average sale PLUS much higher dues income because of this.
Points buyer = Less inventory in most resorts for points to buy and use, with almost certainly less availability to trade and higher prices and dues. I think deeded resales will be the way to go for many years.
 
I have about 7 Diamond weeks listed at Beach House and I think this may be the best time to buy here for 2,200 points.
Hyatt is building new units at Wild Oak and Coconut Plantation and has exercised on almost none of my resales at these two resorts. They do not need / want inventory at these two so there are a few good deals at these.
 
I would do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to buy a unit/week today. There's nothing to lose. If Hyatt takes it on ROFR so be it. But if they don't, you're the winner.


I own several Hyatt weeks and several Marriott weeks and Marriott points. Marriott had two extremely important issues for the points program:
1. owners paid to enroll weeks in points and gain the flexibility of the points system.

2. Only secondary market weeks purchased before June 2010 could enroll in points. The weeks retain original week ownership, but, cannot exchange for points.

Hyatt might find a way to limit acc SS to PPP for weeks purchased after a certain date. This date is likely tied to introduction of the PPP. Seems like you want to buy a secondary market week sooner rather than later.

PM me for further discussion or a list of weeks I own.
 
As Kal noted in an earlier post, it is doubtful there will be much incentive for weeks' owners to join the PPP program..
 
I can see Hyatt coming up with a way for us to exchange for points the way that Marriott did. They need to be able to access weeks-owned properties in order to fulfill requests from Points owners. With Marriott even still, I hear many more complaints from Points owners who can't get the weeks they want from the system.
 
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