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Though April is not a prime week, except for Spring break, it is usually not cold and rainy. The average precipitation at Laguna Beach for April is 0.84" with an average high of 71 degrees. It will be a little warmer inland. I am usually swimming in my pool in April and I don't like cool water. This past April was much cooler than normal. Our flowers were all blooming in April.

Here is a link to the weather monthly averages in Laguna Beach

http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USCA0573_f.html;_ylt=AjqyW.LbBBwcoqJ2gkmM9tiLYDIB?woeid=2434641

NCV is really in Corona Del Mar. Laguna Beach is farther South. Also, you cannot compare where you and I live off of the 15. The temperature inland is not even close to the Coast. On hot days when we go over 100, we often drive to Laguna and watch the Temp Gauge in our car drop 30 degrees on the drive.

http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USCA0253_f.html;_ylt=Ag.Gx8xn7cS3_CvVhriV0jKLYDIB?woeid=2385256

The average temp for April is 66 degrees (high), 54 (low) with .7 inches of rain for the month. Since March gets 2.25 inches of rain, April often gets hit hard depending upon the week. Also, you have to take into account the fact that NCV is on a bluff with the cold Ocean Breeze off of the Pacific coming up. We were just in San Diego 2 weekends ago at Coronado. Even though Mira Mesa was a pleasant 80 degrees, I was afraid of my kids getting sick it was so cold at the beach.
 
Bruce....first of all, we don't own NCV, so no biggie to me. The Maint Fees are a lot higher than $682. They run around $950 or so which does not bother me for Oceanfront So Cal property.

Frankly Bruce...you keep bragging about how your CMV weeks cost you virtually nothing and you exchanged into more expensive places. That is great for you...but you could lay off the bragging. It is your worst quality. Otherwise, you are a great guy who everyone likes...but the constant boasting gets old. Since the week you gave up to trade into NCV could have been rented by you for your usual $699 or so fee (based upon what I see on the LMR board), then you actually gave up $699 + 139 for the week at NCV. Also, April is cold and rainy in So Cal (April showers bring May flowers), so your bride probably would have preferred if you got her a summer month, FYI.

Your are Correct on the maintenance fee for the Villas are higher and I was mistaken but CMV UDI Oct rentals go for about $300-$350 plus housekeeping fees but not all get rented so to me it is just a $50 week cost for exchanging puposes. I think I might have saw more like $862. Update. On ebay ad today Maintenance Fees (dollars): 940.00

Also we got the 2 bedroom Ocean front Wave Crest which about 30 times harder to get than the Villas because of lack of availabily we used 62,000 worth of RCI Points that cost us about $100 more for those points and $30 more for the exchange.

Californa summermight be nice but the Wisconsin summer at our home on our lake is hard to beat with great colorfull sunsets

. We also own a 26 at the Rushes in Door County which is a lot harder trade that the Villas for the prime summer weeks.

If you asked all of the Tuggers how many in the last 10 years before 2008 exchanged into the Rushes for weeks 26 to 33 I doubt you would find 10 as in those years RCI said that only 3 or 4 of those prime Summers are deposited every year. Door County is called the "Cape Cod" of the Midwest.

By the way who was the person who posted a while back bragging about his $100 Las Vegas Lockoffs and how he split them and what great low cost traders they are? What was that genlemans name?

He seemed like a very nice man who was fairly knowlegeable about timesharing.

We enjoyed the weather from April 24 to May 1 this year.

Bruce :D
 
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At the time, my posts were in the spirit of the thread which was how can the OP save money Timesharing. My point was merely that Vegas weeks with low MF's for $100 are easily available on Ebay. Your CMV UDI weeks are a drastically better system than mine, but I cannot pick up CMV UDI's for $100 on Ebay. As a matter of fact, the only place I even know of to get a CMV UDI is from you.
 
At the time, my posts were in the spirit of the thread which was how can the OP save money Timesharing. My point was merely that Vegas weeks with low MF's for $100 are easily available on Ebay. Your CMV UDI weeks are a drastically better system than mine, but I cannot pick up CMV UDI's for $100 on Ebay. As a matter of fact, the only place I even know of to get a CMV UDI is from you.

You made many good points in your many posts and your system is very cost effective and is better than a lot of them and more importantly it works for you. Like I saw I use my Las Vegas ownership RCI Point resorts as "Dump Buckets" which was super great years ago before RCI made changes to first the total amount of weeks you could put into one account with no $26 deposit fee.

We put about 35 weeks into our RCI account the first year. Then they added the $26 per week deposit. Then they limited to 4 the amount of weeks you could deposit from 1 resort in to one account but the Timbers are RCI resort 3662 and the Cottages are RCI resort 1115 so we could could put 8 weeks into 1 account.

Then when I bought another RCI Points resort to set up a 4th RCI account to keep taking advantage of the low airfares from RCI's Points Partners they would not let us set up a 4th RCI Points account. The NO 4th RCI Points account rule was a unplublished rule and not one had heard of it before. I call it one of the RCI Bruce:wall: rules. Then they sort of gutted out the RCI Points partners in regards to airfares, Disney hoper passes, etc.

That being said, IMHO some of the Las Vegas RCI Points ownerships can be used for quite a few low cost last minute 9,00 point vacations. Many use them.

But IMHO I think I see a lot move inventory on the RCI Points side than on the RCI weeks side and so say a lot of other Tuggers.

Bruce:D
 
NCV is really in Corona Del Mar. Laguna Beach is farther South. Also, you cannot compare where you and I live off of the 15. The temperature inland is not even close to the Coast. On hot days when we go over 100, we often drive to Laguna and watch the Temp Gauge in our car drop 30 degrees on the drive.

http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USCA0253_f.html;_ylt=Ag.Gx8xn7cS3_CvVhriV0jKLYDIB?woeid=2385256

The average temp for April is 66 degrees (high), 54 (low) with .7 inches of rain for the month. Since March gets 2.25 inches of rain, April often gets hit hard depending upon the week. Also, you have to take into account the fact that NCV is on a bluff with the cold Ocean Breeze off of the Pacific coming up. We were just in San Diego 2 weekends ago at Coronado. Even though Mira Mesa was a pleasant 80 degrees, I was afraid of my kids getting sick it was so cold at the beach.

Good lord, talk about splitting hairs. First, the official Marriott web site for NCV states clearly that it is at Laguna Beach. Either Marriott doesn't know where they are located or there is another NCV. Here is the Marriott link:

http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/laxnc-marriotts-newport-coast-villas/

Even if you are right, Corona del Mar is only 6 miles up the coast from Laguna Beach. I have lived all over California, both coastal, and inland. I have also traveled extensively over just about every square inch of the state. I am well aware of all the different weather patterns throughout the state. Even though we live inland because we like the hotter drier climate, we do spend a lot of time at the coast playing tourist and visiting our daughter who lives there.

The climate for Coastal California from the Mexican border to Santa Barbara is essentially the same. Any differences in temperature depends mainly on where it is measured rather than climatic differences. Also certain areas may vary on some days because of differences with the marine layer. San Diego always measures a little low because they measure the temperature right at Lindberg field.

You cannot make a blanket statement that April is cold and damp. April is a shoulder month and is somewhat iffy but usually is pretty nice. As I said earlier, this spring has been the coolest one I can remember and it certainly isn't typical.

I am not going to continue discussing this anymore with you as it seems that you just like to argue.
 
Disclaimer: First post from a brand new timeshare owner!

I have a travel background that's similar to the OP in several regards, but different in other ways. I'm a very frugal traveler, and over the years I've used several methods for getting great prices:

1) I'm a huge fan of Priceline (and to a lesser extent, Hotwire), and have had my share of great deals through them. It's awesome to get a Marriott for less than a Motel 6 would cost. With the rooms only guaranteed to be able to sleep 2 people, this isn't a good option for families.
2) I own my own business, and charge a considerable amount of money to Hilton and SPG Amex cards, giving me tons of points that I can redeem for hotels when I can't get good rates in other ways. The Amex spending also earns me SPG Gold and Hilton Diamond status, which gives me some upgrades and other perks. I value my points based on the cash I would earn if I used a 1% cash back card instead, and only use them when I can get a good value (usually 2-3 times what I would have earned with 1% cash back) out of them.
3) In the current economy, in many places I can find good Hilton family hotels (Hampton Inn, Doubletree, etc.) in the $80/night range. Especially when there's a chance of an upgrade (with my status), that's pretty decent. Plus, I earn 39+ HH points back per dollar spent, which is essentially a 20% rebate (I value HH points at half a penny each).

Our family is a bit unique in that we have the means and availability to travel as much as we want. I can work from anywhere. My wife is a stay at home wife/mom (although she did start her own business last year). My kids are homeschooled. We traveled something like 100 days last year. One of our passions is Disney. This will be our fourth year in a row to go to WDW for 2 weeks. We got Season's Passes to DL last year and went three times. We went to DL Paris earlier this year.

We've been planning to take a 3-month Round The World trip seeing about 10-15 places in 2012. I have almost enough AA miles banked to buy the airline tickets (in Business Class!).

One challenge we're running into is that we just had a third kid in April, and many hotels don't allow more than 4 people in a room. In Europe (and some other parts of the world), many don't even allow 4. You can just ignore the fire code and sneak a fifth person in, but I'm not really comfortable doing that and the rooms get pretty cramped with a larger family.

We went to a timeshare presentation on Wednesday, and I realized several things (other than the fact that timeshare salesmen are liars). I realized that a timeshare would give us the ability to travel as a larger family. I realized that a timeshare and RCI membership would open up another option for discounted lodging (Last Call, Extra Vacations, etc.). I realized that we could be far more comfortable and could travel even more, especially with our flexibility.

And then I made a stupid mistake. I bought a timeshare. From the developer. (And I knew better!) I quickly came to my senses, though, and in less than 24 hours my notice of cancellation was sent out via certified mail with return receipt.

And then I made a good decision (I hope). Thursday, I bought a 3BR Lockout at Summer Bay Resorts in Orlando on eBay for $1. The maintenance fee is $860/year.

This does several things for us:

1) It gives us a really nice place to stay (compared to the types of places where we normally stay), just 6 miles from the WDW entrance. If we don't want to exchange it, it's something we wouldn't mind using every year. If we do want to exchange it, it seems like a 3BR in Orlando would have fairly good value (but I could be wrong on this). If we want to invite friends or family to come with us, we'll have plenty of room. (I don't even know if it's a Weeks or Points timeshare yet, but either way is fine for me at this point.)

2) It opens up RCI Last Call and Extra Vacations for us, which from what I understand would have some tremendous values (often $50/night and less). At the very least, it opens up another choice for us.

3) It makes our RTW trip much more feasible, in that we can find and book resorts that accommodate more than 4 people (and hopefully at good prices). Many would also have kitchens and laundry, which would also be extremely helpful.

So that's how I think this timeshare will save us money and give us considerably more flexibility and comfort. I realize that some of our circumstances are pretty unique, but parts of my thinking may help the OP or someone else.
 
Michael, let me be the first person to welcome you to TUG. Your first post was really enjoyable, too.

Buying a 3 bedroom at Summer Bay was a pretty good choice for you, since you love Disneyworld.

We own a lot of weeks currently, and maybe this is just a start for you. There is so much to learn!
 
Thanks! It's great to be here. I'm considering the possibility of up to two more weeks (an RCI points resort if my Summer Bay timeshare isn't already converted to points and an II resort so I can access their reduced rentals as well), but I'm going to take it slow and learn more before I do anything else. TUG is definitely the place to be if you want to learn about timeshares.
 
Good point. High-end ski resorts seem to offer exceptional trading value but you need to pay attention to the season*

I think the litmus test is - and it was touched on earlier - if you can exchange in easily then it likely has lesser value going the other way. Obviously there are no hard and fast rules here, and I am glad that some LV Owners are having success trading.

* It should be noted that "off season" in a good Ski resort does not always mean "non ski season". I did some contract work for the Whistler Resort Association a few years back and was surprised to learn that Whistler has actually gotten to the point where they attract more people in the summer than the winter - the visits are not as long and they do not spend as much money as Winter visitors on average but summer is anything but off-season. In May, most of June, October, and November before T-giving, you can shoot a cannon through the place and only endanger a couple of rain-soaked squirrels. I'm not sure if other ski resorts have been able to mirror this summer boom but I imagine that Vail or Aspen would be a pretty nice place to be during the dog days of August.

Ski resorts in the summer make great locations for family reunions--typically easy to trade into (multiple units), some have pools, tennis courts, etc. Usually many local activities like hiking, lakes, fishing, etc.
 
Thanks! It's great to be here. I'm considering the possibility of up to two more weeks (an RCI points resort if my Summer Bay timeshare isn't already converted to points and an II resort so I can access their reduced rentals as well), but I'm going to take it slow and learn more before I do anything else. TUG is definitely the place to be if you want to learn about timeshares.

Welcome, but please be aware if you but a non Disney RCI Points resort in the Orlando as some had, you used to not be able to use the RCI Points from that account to exchange onto Disney Property. Check with RCI to see if that blackout still applies or has been lifted.

As a Las Vegas Summer Bay Points owner I was able to exchange into Disney as I showed that reservation in one of my posts on this string. I used the RCI weeks for RCI Points program for deposit to give us more RCi Points.

The converison fee charged to cobvert your Summer may not be a good value whan you can find a lot LV Summer Bays already converted at cheaper pricesometimes with extra RCI Points thrown in to sweeten a deal.

Regdog has pointed out some of the advantages of owning a lockoff and most likely would be willing to share some more tips either on or off line.

Some will only want to share off line as it seems if a exchanging loophole is talked about enough it is then closed by a exchange company.

It sounds like you have a open mind and a good plan. You said you own your own business like used I to do before I retired. IMHO I think a plus for you because as a business owner you have to be creative, study and learn things to adopt to the ever changing business climate.

Bruce :D
 
Disclaimer: First post from a brand new timeshare owner!

I have a travel background that's similar to the OP in several regards, but different in other ways. I'm a very frugal traveler, and over the years I've used several methods for getting great prices....

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Our family is a bit unique in that we have the means and availability to travel as much as we want. I can work from anywhere. My wife is a stay at home wife/mom (although she did start her own business last year). My kids are homeschooled.

...<snip>

...I quickly came to my senses, though, and in less than 24 hours my notice of cancellation was sent out via certified mail with return receipt.

I have to agree with you on the family of five in hotels issue. Congrats on the birth of your third child. Our families are very similar and because of this traveling shoulder season maximizing our points based ownership has worked out for us. Hotels are something we only want to do as an over-night thing while the TS condos are great for our week long destinations. Mom and Dad get a little privacy and tired kids can nap while the rest watch TV. Win win win!
I'd hold off on accumulating any more timeshare until you make a few trips and experience RCI trading. That said, after you get an grasp how timeshare can or cannot get you where you want to go you may find a strategy that works for you. Avoid making too many assumtions and buying Timeshare on assumptions. It's not that at the current resale pricing such purchasing can get very expensive but the time and cost of selling things you bought and don't really want is not 'frugal' and there really is no money in flipping timeshare (trust me on this).

Enjoy your vacations!

Scott
 
... there really is no money in flipping timeshare (trust me on this).

I'm curious, are all the TS for sale at Smugglers Notch that are going for thousands (and even ten thousands) of dollars still at a big discount from what the owners originally paid? Or are they getting close to what they paid for it back. The resale market for Smuggs is not cheap at all. You can find some decent rental rates if you watch and don't hesitate, but resale? Haven't seen much that's inexpensive.
 
Leverage SPG

Welcome! I would also suggest that you do some reading in the Sheraton forum. If you are a large collector of SPG points, there is some good conversation there about some of the affinity between SVO and SPG. You "might" be able to leverage the two together if you invest smartly in Sheraton (resale of course!) - although most will tell you that it is impossible to invest smartly in Sheraton. I've never been able to stay at Sheraton Hotels enough to get much from SPG points, so I can't vouch for any of the methods suggested.

There is a sticky there with a decent guide to the basics of Sheraton. Neophytes need a program to understand the lingo for a bit.

M Ross

Thanks! It's great to be here. I'm considering the possibility of up to two more weeks (an RCI points resort if my Summer Bay timeshare isn't already converted to points and an II resort so I can access their reduced rentals as well), but I'm going to take it slow and learn more before I do anything else. TUG is definitely the place to be if you want to learn about timeshares.
 
For MichaelColey:

You may want to consider buying Wyndham points and becoming a platinum owner which is a million points or more.

Best to see if you like the areas where Wyndham resorts are and the resorts themselves.

Some of the benefits are:

-50% discount withing 60 days to check in. (great for last minute off peak travel)

-free upgrades within 60 days to check in. (great for a family that wants lots of space)

-since you want to travel a lot you can make great use of the benefits, since you have young kids you will be able to get many years of use before you may only need a 1 bedroom again

-Easier to pass on/allow your kids to use on their own in the future

-few restrictions on how long or what day of the week you can check in on. (good for getting a good price airfare, staying longer than a week)

-free RCI account

-access to 70 - 80 resorts with no exchange fees (will be able to get weeks at good resorts for less in mfs then the exchange fee would be if you were trading a week.

There are many other benefits of the Wyndham system especially if you are a VIP Platinum owner.


I would study timeshares and Wyndham some more and give this a thought. It would be a big purchase but if you are able to pay most or all in cash it is much better than financing (which should never be done)

The benefits/advantages that Wyndham offers when buying retail are probably the best out of all the timeshare systems.
 
The only way to be a Platinum VIP with Wyndham is to purchase RETAIL, and the cost is right around $100K. It is not worth $100K to me, or anyone else here on TUG.

Those great benefits do not transfer through resale. Wyndham points are chearp on eBay for that reason. It's a great product, but Wyndham alone gets the credit for devaluing its own product. Stupid business move, but there you have it.
 
The initial price is high and everything should be considered before purchasing.

If one plans to hold onto a timeshare for a long time then it really does not matter what the resale value is.

If VIP benefits did transfer on resale sales what would be the incentive to buy retail? How many more VIP platinum owners would there be? The way it is set up allows the benefits to continue.

What is a better way to get 10 - 15 weeks a year in a 2 or 3 bedroom?

For the right person, Wyndham retail is a worthwhile consideration. People should not just dimiss it as an option.
 
I wouldn't consider something with a $100k upfront price tag. I can't see that I would ever recover the initial investment. Plus, what's to keep the retail benefits from getting devalued over the years? I'm sure the contract says that those perks are subject to change.

As for getting 10-15 weeks a year, I hope to be able to get quite a bit out of RCI Last Call inventory. Even if it's $350/week (and from my understanding, some of it is much less than that), I would rather pay (up to) $3500/year for 10 weeks than to pay $100k up front.
 
If one plans to hold onto a timeshare for a long time then it really does not matter what the resale value is.

What is a better way to get 10 - 15 weeks a year in a 2 or 3 bedroom?

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Quote" What is a better way to get 10 - 15 weeks a year in a 2 or 3 bedroom? "Unquote

Yes, IMHO many other ways are more cost effective,Michaels plan is just one. In Wyndham like most systems almost all of the PRIME weeks is gone more than 60 days out.

IMHO Wyndham resorts overall are nice resorts but are not as nice as the top of the line resorts in RCI or II.

$100,000 at only a 3.5% interest would pay for his 10 weeks and give him access to more than just Wyndham and if his resort was dually afillated with both RCI and II he would have about 50 times the selection of a person who is using just Wyndham resorts.

Michaels plan would cost less than your maintenance fees and not have the higher maintenace fees if wanted to cut back on those 10 weeks and the $100,000 saved could be used for some other unimportant thing like a college education.

Also in In Wyndham 2 bedroom red weeks run from 154, 000 Wyndham Points to over 220,000 Wyndham Points per week when you look at the ebay auctions and even at the 60 day mark that would be 77,000 to 110,000 points or 9 to 13 weeks just for 2 bedroom units.

Quote" If one plans to hold onto a timeshare for a long time then it really does not matter what the resale value is." Unquote What school:hysterical: of :rofl: economics is that taught at?

Bruce :D
 
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The only way to be a Platinum VIP with Wyndham is to purchase RETAIL, and the cost is right around $100K. It is not worth $100K to me, or anyone else here on TUG.

Those great benefits do not transfer through resale. Wyndham points are chearp on eBay for that reason. It's a great product, but Wyndham alone gets the credit for devaluing its own product. Stupid business move, but there you have it.




Cindy, this completed ebay auction shows how correct you are and 6 times 189,000 points would equal 1,34,000 Wyndham Points. Now 6 X $10.50 = $63.00


Item number: 110540718912
Wyndham 189K POINTS Pompano Beach FLORIDA Timeshare
PayPal/Visa/AMEX/MC/Discover -- Wyndham Sea Gardens

Item condition: --

Ended: Jun 05, 201018:30:29 PDT

Bid history: 8 bids


Winning bid: US $10.50


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A Wyndham platinum account can be achieved for much less than $100k.

Wyndham points on ebay are cheap because benefits do not transfer. No one will deny that. When you purchase from Wyndham you are paying for the benefits. Yes those are subject to change at any time but at the moment they are what give value to purchasing from Wyndham. It may change tomorrow or next month or never it is something one has to consider.

The listing that was referenced on ebay has much higher mfs than many of the other Wyndham resorts.

The quality of Wyndham resorts is not as good as the best resorts but are much better than those that would be listed in RCI Last Call.

There is a lot of availabilty within 60 days to check in if one is willing to put some work in.

The school of economics I went to was that if one plans to purchase something and hold it for a long time then the resale value does not matter. Over the course of its use it will be depreciated to 0.

Comparing what you get from Wyndham from what you get on the resale market is comparing apples and oranges.

What other timeshare company offers as much as Wyndham does when you purchase from the developer?

No one has to take this advice but to just dimiss it from the start is very narrow minded.

Never once have I said this is a good plan for everyone. For someone that has the money upfront, wants larger units, easy access to many resorts, wants stays shorter or longer than a week, plans to use it for many years and wants to travel for a good portion of the year a Wyndham Platinum owernship is worth considering.
 
NEVER buy Wyndham retail. NEVER.

The initial price is high and everything should be considered before purchasing.

If one plans to hold onto a timeshare for a long time then it really does not matter what the resale value is.

If VIP benefits did transfer on resale sales what would be the incentive to buy retail? How many more VIP platinum owners would there be? The way it is set up allows the benefits to continue.

What is a better way to get 10 - 15 weeks a year in a 2 or 3 bedroom?

For the right person, Wyndham retail is a worthwhile consideration. People should not just dimiss it as an option.

There isn't a scenario I can come up with that would EVER make spending the cost of retail purchase for Wyndham be sensible for anyone. Not while resale is less than 5% of retail (and may be FREE - really!). It is a great system but NEVER EVER worth paying retail . Ever. No exceptions. That last line is VERY bad advice and simply cannot be backed up with any facts.

As for "it doesn't matter" what you pay in the long run it sure does if you have to lay out the up front cost. $100K (or even $10K) for what you can get for <$2000? You do the math and don't be stupid.
 
Welcome! I would also suggest that you do some reading in the Sheraton forum.

M Ross

Just to clarify - It's actually the Starwood Forum: The Starwood Vacation Network includes Sheraton, Westin, and a few without either brand name.
 
The reason why I said the resale value does not matter is because if one chooses to become a Platinum owner they should not have plans to sell it. One cannot buy a Platinum membership resale so its not like they can go out and buy the same think for 5% on the dollar like they can other timeshares.

If you do not even think a Wyndham Platinum membership is worth $10 000 there is no point explaining the math. You are just too against purchasing retail to waste my time.
 
Since life circumstances change and are not always predictable I'd say resale value is very important.


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If one plans to hold onto a timeshare for a long time then it really does not matter what the resale value is.

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Tin, Silver, Gold, Plutonium, Platinum, Iridium...

If you do not even think a Wyndham Platinum membership is worth $10 000 there is no point explaining the math. You are just too against purchasing retail to waste my time.

So, apparently your advice to "consider buying retail" is somehow shared wisdom, but the expression of a differing view is "wasting your time?". Interesting logic...

With due respect, advising anyone to pay ten(s) of thousands of dollars to "buy retail" for the minor and dubious advantages and benefits of "platinum" ownership is advice probably better directed to a much less informed and experienced audience than generally found here on TUG.

....Nice try, though! :rolleyes:
 
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