HGV Max for DRI Owners: Initial/Incomplete

[pedro47]

What would happen if 51% of Diamond owners do not buy into the new Hilton program?

 

[11saranac11]

Hi. Welcome to TUG. I'm also a Platinum DRI owner. I've posted about my experiences at a MAX sales meeting. Curious about how many MAX points they were trying to sell you?

They started at 10,000 points, straight at $8 per point, then went to ~$18k for 5500 points.

 

[ccwu]

Hi. Welcome to TUG. I'm also a Platinum DRI owner. I've posted about my experiences at a MAX sales meeting. Curious about how many MAX points they were trying to sell you?

We were offered 2500 points @ 4.15 pp. (total cost $10,375 plus closing) in St Maarten. it is because we are HGV elite premier already. We are platinum member of DRI (with 54,000 points combined of Hawaii collection and US collection) No need to buy HGV max to access either. We were offered the minimal so entice us to have abilities to use DRI points in HGV, or convert to HHonor points. We prefer to have more HGV access plus Lyft credit of combined $500 to either HGV or HVC. We will not buy HGV max from HGVC since we don’t see much more benefit. With HGV we have unlimited upgrades and guest confirmation. With DRI only 5 guest certificate for HGV premier +. Member. We definitely like HGV resort better than DRI’s. We use HIlton hotel globally and we like the ability to convert Dri points to HHonor points. One of the reason they let us to get 2,500 points purchase was because we are members and. Owners of HGVC and Hilton club and Newly HVC. They needed approval from corporate VP for this per sales person.


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[CalGalTraveler]

We were offered the minimal so entice us to have abilities to use DRI points in HGV, or convert to HHonor points.
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Congrats on your purchase. Thanks for sharing. Two questions:

1) When you say you can use DRI points in HGV, do you mean you can use them at < 6 months? Or do you mean those DRI points and HGV points will combine at 9 month club window because you own both?
2) With this purchase don't you automatically get enrolled in MAX? If so, which side DRI MAX or HGV Max or benefits of both Max Elite? Do they differ? or is this all the same benefit?

 

[ccwu]

Congrats on your purchase. Thanks for sharing. Two questions:

1) When you say you can use DRI points in HGV, do you mean you can use them at < 6 months? Or do you mean those DRI points and HGV points will combine at 9 month club window because you own both?
2) With this purchase don't you automatically get enrolled in MAX? If so, which side DRI MAX or HGV Max or benefits of both Max Elite? Do they differ? or is this all the same benefit?

1). =< than 6 months. Such as use it for a Hilton club resort should be competitive to other HGV member. Since we own 3 NYC HIlton club resorts, we will be able to use owners lounge.

2). There are two HGV portal. One is from DRI side (HVC, they call it the club). To use DRI points to Hilton Grand vacation club. The other is HGV side to use newly adjusted points to access the DRI resorts. We don’t intend to get it. Since benefit is better with HGV in my opinion. There is not much info on Hilton website other than the 2022 reference guide. In DRI site. In DRI site, I notice my member is already listed as HGV Max premier + member. But sales person said I will not see much change until after June 2022.


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[Eileen A.]

Congrats on your purchase. Thanks for sharing. Two questions:

1) When you say you can use DRI points in HGV, do you mean you can use them at < 6 months? Or do you mean those DRI points and HGV points will combine at 9 month club window because you own both?
2) With this purchase don't you automatically get enrolled in MAX? If so, which side DRI MAX or HGV Max or benefits of both Max Elite? Do they differ? or is this all the same benefit?

I'm DRI Platinum. I'm obviously not answering for ccwu but the points I was offered last week (a minimum of 7500 in my case) also cost $4.15 each. These were MAX Trust points. Maybe ccwu is saying is they will not buy into HGV MAX by paying the $7000 flat fee that was offered on the Hilton side. But the way I see it they did buy into MAX as they can now convert the DRI points into Hilton Honors or use their 54,000 DRI points to book HGVC at the 6 month point or use their HGVC points at the 6 month point to book DRI. The MAX Trust points also came with a MF of $.20 per point. ccwu - were you quoted a MF of $500 for the extra 2,500 points? I don't think there is anything called DRI MAX. So confusing. We almost pulled the trigger on the $7500 purchase but at this point I'm glad we did not. Might look into buying a HGVC resale purchase in the meantime.

 

[ccwu]

I'm DRI Platinum. I'm obviously not answering for ccwu but the points I was offered last week (a minimum of 7500 in my case) also cost $4.15 each. These were MAX Trust points. Maybe ccwu is saying is they will not buy into HGV MAX by paying the $7000 flat fee that was offered on the Hilton side. But the way I see it they did buy into MAX as they can now convert the DRI points into Hilton Honors or use their 54,000 DRI points to book HGVC at the 6 month point or use their HGVC points at the 6 month point to book DRI. The MAX Trust points also came with a MF of $.20 per point. ccwu - were you quoted a MF of $500 for the extra 2,500 points? I don't think there is anything called DRI MAX. So confusing. We almost pulled the trigger on the $7500 purchase but at this point I'm glad we did not. Might look into buying a HGVC resale purchase in the meantime.

I would not want to buy HGV max since I own over 100,000 points of hgvc. They got permission from headquarter to give me 2500 points since obviously not much incentive for me. I said if they offered for $7,000 (as HGV) I may consider. they gave me 2500. They said because I own hgvc, Hilton Club and HVC so the corporate made an exception. Not sure if it was true. But when the assurance closed out, we were waiting for 10 minutes on internet to get permission and signed off from HvC corporate in Florida. As I said, if you own both, you need two portal of HGV max. One is DRI site HGV max to use Dri points to Hilton. The other is from Hilton side to use HGV max Hilton portal to access DRI. I did contact Hilton. They said my upgrade fro DRI side of HGV max did not entitle me to use deeded HGV points to access HvC resorts. It is only I can used the trust points from Diamond to book HGV within 6 months window.

The $500 is not MF. It is the Lyft benefit. As HGV premier member we have $250 Lyft credit in Lyft account that we can use Lyft (like Uber) to get from airport or train station to Hgvc resort. The HGV max premier + has additional $250 Lyft credit that can be combined to my Lyft transportation account (250 from HGV max, plus $250 from HGV elite premier) from any transaction to any HGV or HVC resort.


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[Eileen A.]

I would not want to buy HGV max since I own over 100,000 points of hgvc. They got permission from headquarter to give me 2500 points since obviously not much incentive for me. I said if they offered for $7,000 (as HGV) I may consider. they gave me 2500. They said because I own hgvc, Hilton Club and HVC so the corporate made an exception. Not sure if it was true. But when the assurance closed out, we were waiting for 10 minutes on internet to get permission and signed off from HvC corporate in Florida. As I said, if you own both, you need two portal of HGV max. One is DRI site HGV max to use Dri points to Hilton. The other is from Hilton side to use HGV max Hilton portal to access DRI. I did contact Hilton. They said my upgrade fro DRI side of HGV max did not entitle me to use deeded HGV points to access HvC resorts. It is only I can used the trust points from Diamond to book HGV within 6 months window.

The $500 is not MF. It is the Lyft benefit. As HGV premier member we have $250 Lyft credit in Lyft account that we can use Lyft (like Uber) to get from airport or train station to Hgvc resort. The HGV max premier + has additional $250 Lyft credit that can be combined to my Lyft transportation account (250 from HGV max, plus $250 from HGV elite premier) from any transaction to any HGV or HVC resort.


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Thanks for the clarification ccwu. Trying to learn all I can. Did you buy 2,500 points? Do they have a maintenance fee associated with them? That is what I was referring to.

 

[ccwu]

Thanks for the clarification ccwu. Trying to learn all I can. Did you buy 2,500 points? Do they have a maintenance fee associated with them? That is what I was referring to.

The MF fee is US collection trust points for 2500 points. Approximately $0.19 pp $475 added to my original US collection. My total points will be 54,000+ 2500= 56,500 for HGV Max.


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[CalGalTraveler]

@ccwu Your perspective as a dual owner is very insightful. You mentioned two portals and programs depending on what you own (HGVC or HGV).

How do the elite programs work between the two? In other words, do the benefits in the DRI Max side only benefit the DRI points and reservations? and your HGVC elite legacy benefits only benefit HGVC reservations? if there is a discrepancy between the benefits e.g. DRI MAX is $700 Open Season Credit and HGVC Elite is 30% off Open Season can you pick which one to apply? or Combine e.g. start with $700 Open Season credit after applying your 30% premier discount? Or is it just one MAX elite program for both?

 

[ccwu]

@ccwu Your perspective as a dual owner is very insightful. You mentioned two portals and programs depending on what you own (HGVC or HGV).

How do the elite programs work between the two? In other words, do the benefits in the DRI Max side only benefit the DRI points and reservations? and your HGVC elite legacy benefits only benefit HGVC reservations? if there is a discrepancy between the benefits e.g. DRI MAX is $700 Open Season Credit and HGVC Elite is 30% off Open Season can you pick which one to apply? or Combine e.g. start with $700 Open Season credit after applying your 30% premier discount? Or is it just one MAX elite program for both?

it is different. In DRI, I currently as platinum member, the guest certificate is 5 free for platinum (In HGV is unlimited.) When booking for upgrades, I can have upgrade unit in DRI at the time booking, say if a garden view and ocean view are both available, I can have unlimited upgrade by paying $12 per night to get next level upgrade from garden view to ocean view.. in HGV, I just accept complimentary upgrade at the time of booking, 45 days before arrival, Hilton will email me that complimentary upgrade award (95%) Free. but the Lyft credit will be combined in one Lyft account. (Now $500) When I get a Lyft from airport or train station to any Hilton, I can see on the app showing charges $0.00. So does from Hilton resort back to transportation Actually I like it. In the past I needed to fill out a request on line to get approval first. In the past only covers one way from airport to resort (no budget limits).

i only used the short stay in Elara for 30% off open season rate

I Never book open season in HIlton club. I feel my points reservation is cheaper (and I have tons of HGV points). But, if the HGV max into effect (not working yet) I will used the $700 first (for booking HGV, since DRI does not have open season). DRI has 75% off booking 30 days 50% off booking within 60 days. Normal cancellation has to be 91 days before arrival to avoid losing points (HGV is 30 days). i paid DRI Annual points protection for $499 a year to be able to get my point back if I cancel in 31 days. HGV has point protection That allow you to cancel on the day of arrival ($79 per reservation)

the $700 is DRI HGV max, the 30% off is HGV elite premier benefit. It can not be combined since the 30% has to be used with HGV membership while $700 is Dri portal of HGV max. But since HGV max is not active yet. I don’t know. I know I will sign on to DRI website to book. (I have to sign on differently). HGV has HGV sign on page (which I set up as two factors sign on, they text me a code from HGV.). DRI two factors sign on will send me a email code.

I was told one day, they might combine the two systems HGV max, if I bought HGVC ‘s HGV max too. They could combine my max points and I would be centum Member. For me. I don’t see the benefit that worth it. There is two HGV max. My Hilton side do not see my DRI side. DRI side do not know I was HGV elite premier. Still two complete different systems. As even in HGV site, I do pay two club membership fee for HGVC and NYC HIlton club. when I sign in, I need to select which account I want to access. but NYC HIlton Club is the only one in HGV and I was told they will not have another one like it. It behave differentl. I can convert any portion of my Hilton club point to Hilton honer points (50/1 now 32/1). while my other, bHC, I have to convert the whole or nothing (such as my NYC Hilton residence club that I have old points 16,800 (now 28,880 points), I have to conver the total 28,880, 32/1 Not a portion of it. and I am not willing to do it. Even now if I have question about Hilton Club NY account, the counselor sometimes could not locate it unless I mention it is on my HIlton club account. So I can not imagine they will be able to see much DRI account. They are still handle by different portal. You have to tell them if it is Diamond or HGV.

my last Diamond update, they told me HIlton fired a lots of Diamond’s sales persons that they lied to members during update. Not sure if it is true. Because Hilton salesperson May learn to lie a bit to get sale.

 

[GT75]

@ccwu, Thank you so much for this information. Wow, I think that I may be understanding this HVC Max program (at least you provided clarity to me). I now certainly don't understand why anyone on the HGVC would buy into HGV Max.

 

[dn0121]

I’m in Virginia Beach at Ocean Beach Club and attended an “owner’s update” with Hilton. I had attended a Diamond one last year but it’s been a good 10 years since one before that. They have definitely changed and it was easier to get out in only 90 minutes but it was a hard sell to give up my deeded week for points. They said Destination Exchange ((DEX) is going away and I was going to lose inventory to trade with in II. That I would only be able to use my weeks at Polo Tower Villas in the next few years. They also said I have no equity but they could “ask corporate” to provide an exception. I don’t know what that means though but it seemed like a scare tactic.

Well two days later I received the latest DEX email and it seems like things are just fine on that front. I’ve been quite happy with my floating 2BR week these past 18-20 years (can’t remember when I bought) so I see no reason to switch to points yet. I seem to always get calls and emails that I need to switch to points, but it’s been just fine so far. Even the final salesperson during last year’s “update” told me not to give up my deeded week.

 

[ccwu]

I’m in Virginia Beach at Ocean Beach Club and attended an “owner’s update” with Hilton. I had attended a Diamond one last year but it’s been a good 10 years since one before that. They have definitely changed and it was easier to get out in only 90 minutes but it was a hard sell to give up my deeded week for points. They said Destination Exchange ((DEX) is going away and I was going to lose inventory to trade with in II. That I would only be able to use my weeks at Polo Tower Villas in the next few years. They also said I have no equity but they could “ask corporate” to provide an exception. I don’t know what that means though but it seemed like a scare tactic.

Well two days later I received the latest DEX email and it seems like things are just fine on that front. I’ve been quite happy with my floating 2BR week these past 18-20 years (can’t remember when I bought) so I see no reason to switch to points yet. I seem to always get calls and emails that I need to switch to points, but it’s been just fine so far. Even the final salesperson during last year’s “update” told me not to give up my deeded week.

I was told by both DRI and Hilton Grand Vacation, Diamond’s best part is the DEX and it’s travel (those 30% and $0.3 redemption for platinum and 40% of $0.4 redemption for Centum…). Those are going to be the revenue making for Hilton. It will be emphasized and promoted in the merger.


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[NiteMaire]

They said Destination Exchange ((DEX) is going away and I was going to lose inventory to trade with in II. That I would only be able to use my weeks at Polo Tower Villas in the next few years. <snip> Well two days later I received the latest DEX email and it seems like things are just fine on that front.

According to DRI CSRs, DeX access will remain the same. I check certain locations frequently, and there's no difference in inventory. They actually stated that DeX may include HGVC resorts (without the resort fee) as well as expand beyond HGV in the future. I'd take the CSR's word over any salesperson. Here's the thread I started that reference these possible (positive) changes to DeX:

Potential Future Changes to DeX - Integration with HGV and One Other

I just talked with a supervisor at DeX. She's been extremely helpful for several issues I've had in the past. She only handles DeX for deeded owners, so the discussion was limited to that although the 2 points below would apply to points owners. The bold portions are what she said; the other...

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[ccwu]

I have more to add.

If you join DRI HGV Max, you have to give up some Diamond resort legacy benefits such as:
1. Free save points
2. No club combo
3. No more upgrade with payments.

There may be more that I do not know.


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[pedro47]

I have more to add.

If you join DRI HGV Max, you have to give up some Diamond resort legacy benefits such as:
1. Free save points
2. No club combo
3. No more upgrade with payments.

There may be more that I do not know.


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How can this be a good deal for DRI owners?

 

[geist1223]

How can this be a good deal for DRI owners?

It is not. It would be better to buy a separate account in HGVC.

 

[hawaiibabe]

We were offered 2500 points @ 4.15 pp. (total cost $10,375 plus closing) in St Maarten. it is because we are HGV elite premier already. We are platinum member of DRI (with 54,000 points combined of Hawaii collection and US collection) No need to buy HGV max to access either. We were offered the minimal so entice us to have abilities to use DRI points in HGV, or convert to HHonor points. We prefer to have more HGV access plus Lyft credit of combined $500 to either HGV or HVC. We will not buy HGV max from HGVC since we don’t see much more benefit. With HGV we have unlimited upgrades and guest confirmation. With DRI only 5 guest certificate for HGV premier +. Member. We definitely like HGV resort better than DRI’s. We use HIlton hotel globally and we like the ability to convert Dri points to HHonor points. One of the reason they let us to get 2,500 points purchase was because we are members and. Owners of HGVC and Hilton club and Newly HVC. They needed approval from corporate VP for this per sales person.


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This week Diamond quoted the "minimal required" purchase of 10,000 points for just over $40,000. We are Centum & elite hgvc. It was the decrease your maintenance fees ploy & a possibility of getting rid of points in the future for $.

 

[pedro47]

I personally would never spend $40,000 dollars for a timeshare. Sound liked a Ponizi with a difference twist to it.

 

[Duh]

What would happen if 51% of Diamond owners do not buy into the new Hilton program?

Nothing really.

 

[pedro47]

This week Diamond quoted the "minimal required" purchase of 10,000 points for just over $40,000. We are Centum & elite hgvc. It was the decrease your maintenance fees ploy & a possibility of getting rid of points in the future for $.

Is this in writing. Please post a copy on this website .

 

[Duh]

Is this in writing. Please post a copy on this website .

I don't believe any of this is in writing but I have heard the something similar. I was told, after the honeymoon period that was supposed to end in October of this year, all upgrades with Diamond would be based on current ownership. I was told, if I didn't make a purchase then (was offered as little as 2,000 to get into HGV Max) I would have to make a minimum 10,000 point purchase to get in based on my current 50,000 point membership. People who owned less would have to buy fewer points and people who owned more would have to buy more to get in. I have no desire whatsoever of being in Max so it didn't matter to me.

 

[flyguy]

Just got a call to visit zoom with a Hilton Max rep for at least 30 minutes to review benefits. Anyone had the experience? If so, what can we expect to accomplish or be aware of if it's just another approach to selling more points?

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Just got a call to visit zoom with a Hilton Max rep for at least 30 minutes to review benefits. Anyone had the experience? If so, what can we expect to accomplish or be aware of if it's just another approach to selling more points?

Sales call. At least demand a gift 4 yr time.