Are they seriously trying to sell MVC as a luxury good only? OMG is all I can say.
You’ve cracked the code! Hello Hotels is a Potlatch!
When we started thinking about it through this new lense, it actually would make some sense for us. If they were to restructure it as something we could exit at will, we would seriously consider what makes sense as membership. They need to ditch the ownership angle of both the marketing and the product itself to hook us. Meanwhile, we are increasingly intrigued by Hapimag and may do one of the trial stays this summer.
I am also considering a trial of Hapimag, but probably next year later on. Please please do open a new thread with a review if you end up trying it. I would be really interested in the actual process - how you buy the temporary points, etc.
It is not about value per se. It is about not wanting to pay 3x the cost for the exact same thing (with reduced benefits.) They are not looking for non value conscious, they are looking for unconscious brain dead subjects.
Did he say that with a straight face?
Yes, he was quite serious. Though his comment was more regarding the price to buy points and not really in regard to the new hotel option.
Yes, this was the pitch we got. It was not focused on the hotel option.
If only there was an unending supply of rooms at the best places during the most popular times...
From post 14 on this thread there is info also the user mpizza will answer questions if you have any. I believe there are other TUG users who have given it a go, so you might find more in the European forum, if you do a search.
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Utterly disgusting.
Had our update this morning with a fellow they brought back from retirement. When we mentioned that we'd be interested in his perspective on the Hotel program, he asked if we had been excited to hear about it, but didn't push it. He and another long-time sale staffer here had sat down and explored it because they have had diddly squat for training on it - bottom line for them is they couldn't find any availability that would deliver value. Results he mentioned were more along the lines of 400 points for a $100 room. Had a nice conversation with him about our experiences here and travel plans with our extensive ownership and wrapped it up fairly quickly. Now for the 4-6 week wait for our Bonvoy points to actually use for hotel rooms on our travels. (Wyndham and Hilton can both deliver the incentive loyalty points during a sales presentation - not sure why Marriott takes so long. Are they afraid that you'll decide not to complete the presentation at some point during the next 6 weeks after it's over?
).81x400= $324 vs. $100. I think that sums it up!!!Had our update this morning with a fellow they brought back from retirement. When we mentioned that we'd be interested in his perspective on the Hotel program, he asked if we had been excited to hear about it, but didn't push it. He and another long-time sale staffer here had sat down and explored it because they have had diddly squat for training on it - bottom line for them is they couldn't find any availability that would deliver value. Results he mentioned were more along the lines of 400 points for a $100 room. Had a nice conversation with him about our experiences here and travel plans with our extensive ownership and wrapped it up fairly quickly. Now for the 4-6 week wait for our Bonvoy points to actually use for hotel rooms on our travels. (Wyndham and Hilton can both deliver the incentive loyalty points during a sales presentation - not sure why Marriott takes so long. Are they afraid that you'll decide not to complete the presentation at some point during the next 6 weeks after it's over?
With WLR it’s closer to .3 x 400, but still not worth it.
Not using them for anything vaguely pleasant would have been much more stupid.
Haven’t gone yet, it’s for next Saturday night (12th). I’ll come back & update, but I’m not expecting anything Bonvoy wise, we’ll see.
That’s how I felt in the end.
You should look into trying to rent. Even expiring points can have value to someone needing some for a last minute reservation, like a Destination Escapes booking. I've done this quite a few times and paid more than double the 30 cent value you got. I would think you easily could fetch 40-50+ cents per point, even last minute.