HBO(Adult) programs in WKORV -- warning

[HGVCGod]

BUT in this situation the HBO show in that time slot, with no restrictions, was the same as having a porn magazine in the window on a public street... people walking by HAVE to look at it when they don't want to see it. Keep the mags under the counter (or in not public areas), keep the tv shows available only whenever they're not accessible to kiddies surfing the channels. Makes sense to me.

[Removed religious reference...not allowed on TUG].....their issue is pure evangelically politically correctness thought or lack of thought and I do not subscribe to it no matter how you dress is up or self-righteously you sound.....talk about PORN.....I do not think they shoulc be allowed to show FOX News (it is news and not views isn't it?????) on TV ......that is pornographic to my way of thinking....now there is a cause to get behind......

 

[djp]

I am amazed that this thread has gotten so much passion stirred. Here's my take.
-Is it usually a good thing that HBO is offered at starwood properties....yes. It is nice to be able to watch a movie without having to pay extra for rental etc....
-That being said it is ridiculus IMO to deny that some late night offerings on HBO are pornagraphic in nature. Is a show with significant nudity pornagraphic?...that is up for debate. But shows that are based on people being not just nude, but also having full blown sex for all to see...when that is a main theme of the show. That seems like porn to me.
-It seems that WKORV has made an attempt to be responsible with the statement. It would seem that if they added something to this effect on the statement "due to the fact that our cable feed is from the mainland and the corresponsing time changes, it is possible that some "adult" cable offerings might be broadcast in times normally reserved for "family" viewing." If that statement were added then I think everyone ccould be happy. Those that want HBO and all of its different offerings while on vacation will have them, and responsible parents will have a clear heads up that if your kids are flipping channels in the early evening they may get a surprise so parents can take charge of the remote if need be.
It troubles me that on this normally good natured website that someone would be so flamed simply for expressing an opinion. I would say that most responsible parents dont want their kids watching nude people involved in sex acts. That has been proven to be unhealthy for young kids, so for someone to express surprise or disssapointment in the early offerings of adult programming at their timeshare seems normal, and I think many of us appreciate the heads up on this so we can be careful wth our kids while there.

 

[DavidnRobin]

If someone thinks what is on HBO is porn - has never seen porn. HBO is the number one mainstream cable channel with the best programming on TV (IMO). 'Real Sex' maybe a stupid show (IMO) but it is still not porn.

I realize that 'porn' maybe interpreted differently by different people - according to the 'powers that be' - the ones who control the content of what we watch (like it or not...) - HBO content is not rated X and is not considered porn by mainstream America (by those who control what mainstream America thinks...)

btw, do not take your children to Europe and let them watch TV there or go to the beaches - that will be harmed for life...

We rarely watch commercial TV outside of sports (because of the inane content and endless commercials) - and pretty much only watch non-commercial TV (e.g. HBO, Showtime, etc.) - and (STRONGLY) do not care for other people trying to control the content of what we want to watch based on their puritan beliefs or their definition of porn.

If you want to write your congressperson - and try to get tighter controls of the content of TV - feel free - it is your right - but as it stands right now you do not have the right to control what other owners want to watch.

If it would be put to a vote to the WKORV Owners about removing HBO - I would imagine that you would be in an overwhelming minority.

My advice - pull the plug on your TV at WKORV - or shut your eyes so your mind will not lead you to uncontrolable urges of rape and violence against women in case you happen to flip over an episode of Real Sex.

Get a grip...

Back to the OP - WKORV did put out adequate warning - and to assume that at 8PM and later that there would not be adult content on HBO is a large assumption - or to misread (or rely on) a schedule as such is even a larger assumption.

Out.

 

[djp]

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Is some of the adult material on HBO porn...I guess that is up for debate...for what it is worth...the yourdictionary.com defines pornography as follows

pornography definition
n.
1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.

With that definition one could think that the HBO stuff is porn.....

B][If it would be put to a vote to the WKORV Owners about removing HBO - I would imagine that you would be in an overwhelming minority.[/B]

]

I have not read a post by anyone that clearly expresses a desire to get rid of HBO at wkorv.
Is it not totally reasonable to express surprise that at 8pm kids would stumble across "adult" programming?....I think so.
If the OP was surprised and wished they would have had a "heads up" about this before they went...is it not considerate to pass the knowledge along? I think so.
I dont think anyone is trying to convert anyone to the Christian Coalition here. I think that the OP is simply sharing their experience and giving a tip to anyone who cares to take it. In case we have forgotten, that is what we do here on TUG. we share our experiences and give information we feel would be helpful to others.

 

[Steel5Rings]

Really what is needed is Playboy TV or the Vivid hardcore channel.....Nothing like some good porn to get the juices flowing on vacation.

 

[AwayWeGo]

Why Do They Do It ?

I cannot understand why the people performing in those dirty movies & videos -- especially the women -- are willing to do that on camera while their parents are still lving.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 

[skim118]

HBO's new shows in the fall include super explicit sex scenes in shows ("Tell Me You Love Me"). HBO is desperate since losing Sopranos and now resorting to whatever it takes to keep it's viewers.

On the Sep 9 premiere, you will find a woman bringing her husband to a climax & all body parts will be fully shown.

 

[ondeadlin]

I think the tone here is unfortunate and very unlike the usual discussions on TUG.

I'm an HBO subscriber and have seen Real Sex from time to time (including a few hysterical episodes when people who clearly should not been seen naked, let alone having sex, are featured).

That said, I think the OP has a very legitimate complaint here. I would not, as a subscriber, be comfortable with HBO broadcasting those programs at 8 p.m. in my home, nor would I expect to see it at any TS or hotel we were staying at during that hour. The OP specifically said they had no problem with the CONTENT, just WHEN it was being broadcast. The OP specifically DID NOT say that WKORV should drop the channel.

The OP was sharing a warning with other parents. Period.

I, for one, appreciate it, even though I also appreciate HBO.

 

[ricoba]

I think the tone here is unfortunate and very unlike the usual discussions on TUG.

I'm an HBO subscriber and have seen Real Sex from time to time (including a few hysterical episodes when people who clearly should not been seen naked, let alone having sex, are featured).

That said, I think the OP has a very legitimate complaint here. I would not, as a subscriber, be comfortable with HBO broadcasting those programs at 8 p.m. in my home, nor would I expect to see it at any TS or hotel we were staying at during that hour. The OP specifically said they had no problem with the CONTENT, just WHEN it was being broadcast. The OP specifically DID NOT say that WKORV should drop the channel.

The OP was sharing a warning with other parents. Period.

I, for one, appreciate it, even though I also appreciate HBO.

This is very nicely said and I agree with your sentiments.

I too think this thread has taken a few nasty jabs that are unnecessary and deviate from the OP.

Thank you for putting it so succinctly.

 

[LauraS93]

I think the tone here is unfortunate and very unlike the usual discussions on TUG.

I'm an HBO subscriber and have seen Real Sex from time to time (including a few hysterical episodes when people who clearly should not been seen naked, let alone having sex, are featured).

That said, I think the OP has a very legitimate complaint here. I would not, as a subscriber, be comfortable with HBO broadcasting those programs at 8 p.m. in my home, nor would I expect to see it at any TS or hotel we were staying at during that hour. The OP specifically said they had no problem with the CONTENT, just WHEN it was being broadcast. The OP specifically DID NOT say that WKORV should drop the channel.

The OP was sharing a warning with other parents. Period.

I, for one, appreciate it, even though I also appreciate HBO.

Ditto that! As a parent of two young children, I appreciate the heads up. And I enjoy my Big Love series on HBO, too! After the kids are in bed

 

[DavidnRobin]

Ditto that! As a parent of two young children, I appreciate the heads up. And I enjoy my Big Love series on HBO, too! After the kids are in bed

As grandparents of two and parents of two - we agree - however - as pointed out by the OP - there was a warning from WKORV - that was our point. (both of us) To assume that some schedule applied 24 hours a day - then why would there be a warning in the first place?
It is called using logic and some caution - considering most people know that HBO programming contains adult content programming...
To make the leap in faith that all must have been okay with HBO late at night was a mistake in logic and judgement. The point being (beyond the inane argument of what is porn - which is already defined for cable and commercial TV) - there was a warning notice displayed by WKORV (as there should have been).

 

[ondeadlin]

It is called using logic and some caution - considering most people know that HBO programming contains adult content programming...
To make the leap in faith that all must have been okay with HBO late at night was a mistake in logic and judgement. The point being (beyond the inane argument of what is porn - which is already defined for cable and commercial TV) - there was a warning notice displayed by WKORV (as there should have been).

The property's warning is not adequate.

Even someone very familiar with HBO, as I am, would never expect a show like Real Sex to be on in your hotel/TS at 8 p.m. Hence, the warning is useful.

And, again, your tone is unfortunate. Calling the debate over what is and isn't porn "inane" does nothing other than to create a hostile environment and make it clear you're sitting in judgement of other's views.

 

[califgal]

I think this thread has gotten way off track with too many personal opinions and insults flying.

The OP just wanted to let people know that the partictular show was on tv way too early, that's it that's all.

I now pronounce the thread dead!

 

[calgarygary]

... I would not, as a subscriber, be comfortable with HBO broadcasting those programs at 8 p.m. in my home, nor would I expect to see it at any TS or hotel we were staying at during that hour. The OP specifically said they had no problem with the CONTENT, just WHEN it was being broadcast....

I think people need to recognize that in this day of timeshifting, satellites, cable, etc that no broadcaster is broadcasting these shows into your home, hotel or timeshare. Broadcasters are sending these signals into the air and it is your choice whether to receive the signal. As far as your children seeing nudity, I would be much more concerned about programs promoting violence and anti-social behaviour (I really get quite sick when flipping channels and seeing wrestling).

 

[Ekaaj]

Broadcasters are sending these signals into the air and it is your choice whether to receive the signal.

I think the whole point of the thread is that timeshare owners in Hawaii DON'T have a choice in the matter at the moment. It's being broadcast with no way to turn it off or block the channel, unless you simply don't watch any TV at all.

As far as your children seeing nudity, I would be much more concerned about programs promoting violence and anti-social behaviour (I really get quite sick when flipping channels and seeing wrestling).

Nudity is a far cry from sex and porn, in my view - however one chooses to define "porn".

As far as this thread becoming full of personal attacks, it's not surprising. Porn doesn't really promote human decency or kindness in the first place, so why would a discussion about it be civil? JMHO....

 

[calgarygary]

I think the whole point of the thread is that timeshare owners in Hawaii DON'T have a choice in the matter at the moment. It's being broadcast with no way to turn it off or block the channel, unless you simply don't watch any TV at all.

Of course you have a choice - change the channel, or is HBO the only channel being offered?

Nudity is a far cry from sex and porn, in my view - however one chooses to define "porn".

I have to agree, but I have never seen anything that approached porn on the HBO programming that I have seen.[/quote]

As far as this thread becoming full of personal attacks, it's not surprising. Porn doesn't really promote human decency or kindness in the first place, so why would a discussion about it be civil? JMHO....

I don't think that it is necessarily porn that causes the problem. I think you will find the lack of a civil discussion on many topics on boards - the immediacy of posting (often without fore thought) and the lack of person to person contact is what I believe is the root cause of a lack of civility when posting.

 

[ricoba]

so why would a discussion about it be civil? JMHO....

Because we try to maintain a civil tone and environment here on TUG.

There are lots and lots of sites where a person can go and speak their mind and get as mean and nasty as they want. Thankfully TUG is not that type of site!

 

[geekette]

I cannot understand why the people performing in those dirty movies & videos -- especially the women -- are willing to do that on camera while their parents are still lving.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

I hate double-standards.

 

[Ekaaj]

Of course you have a choice - change the channel, or is HBO the only channel being offered?

Ok, no offense intended, but it's not that hard, truly. The ENTIRE point is that when you are flipping channels, or when your kids are watching a "family friendly" movie, the next show you come across can be porn - or "sexual in nature", for those who don't believe in calling graphic sex on TV "porn". I don't care how many people like porn, watch it, don't mind seeing it, etc. - I personally DO NOT want to have to flip past it. I don't watch violent shows, graphic shows, programs with tons of swearing or rude and obnoxious behavior, etc. Hence, there are few shows that we do like on TV. We do watch a few shows and certain movies, but overall, I believe that what you choose to view on TV has an effect on you, and we choose not to watch or view porn at all. We do not subscribe to these channels at home.

It would be like you walking down a street and seeing people having sex on the street corner - sure, you can look away, but you've probably already seen more than you wanted to. I'm sure that there are people who will never understand this, but there ARE people like myself who feel the same way. Hence, the OP's warning about porn on TV in Hawaii.

To ricoba, I also understand that TUG tries to be civil, but this thread has not always been. That was my point.

 

[skim118]

I think the tone here is unfortunate and very unlike the usual discussions on TUG.

I'm an HBO subscriber and have seen Real Sex from time to time (including a few hysterical episodes when people who clearly should not been seen naked, let alone having sex, are featured).

That said, I think the OP has a very legitimate complaint here. I would not, as a subscriber, be comfortable with HBO broadcasting those programs at 8 p.m. in my home, nor would I expect to see it at any TS or hotel we were staying at during that hour. The OP specifically said they had no problem with the CONTENT, just WHEN it was being broadcast. The OP specifically DID NOT say that WKORV should drop the channel.

The OP was sharing a warning with other parents. Period.

I, for one, appreciate it, even though I also appreciate HBO.

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Thanks for summarizing my thoughts and the intent of the original post.

I emphasize again about the misleading incorrect printed schedule shown next to the TV; the schedule shown is specifically about HBO Family channel(shows different movies/programs than the regular HBO channel).

It seems like WKORV's cable provider shows some sort of composite HBO channel where they switch from the HBO Family channel to HBO East at 8PM. If they could have let me know about what they are doing, I would have no problems with WKORV.

 

[Steel5Rings]

I cannot understand why the people performing in those dirty movies & videos -- especially the women -- are willing to do that on camera while their parents are still lving.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

Because it pays well and feels good!!!

 

[calgarygary]

Ok, no offense intended, but it's not that hard, truly. The ENTIRE point is that when you are flipping channels, or when your kids are watching a "family friendly" movie, the next show you come across can be porn - or "sexual in nature", for those who don't believe in calling graphic sex on TV "porn". I don't care how many people like porn, watch it, don't mind seeing it, etc. - I personally DO NOT want to have to flip past it. I don't watch violent shows, graphic shows, programs with tons of swearing or rude and obnoxious behavior, etc. Hence, there are few shows that we do like on TV. We do watch a few shows and certain movies, but overall, I believe that what you choose to view on TV has an effect on you, and we choose not to watch or view porn at all. We do not subscribe to these channels at home.

It would be like you walking down a street and seeing people having sex on the street corner - sure, you can look away, but you've probably already seen more than you wanted to. I'm sure that there are people who will never understand this, but there ARE people like myself who feel the same way. Hence, the OP's warning about porn on TV in Hawaii.

To ricoba, I also understand that TUG tries to be civil, but this thread has not always been. That was my point.

Obviously we are coming from very different viewpoints and are unlikely to agree on much in this discussion - other then already seeing too much in your walking down a street analogy. I do want to mention though that the OP posted a relevant warning about the specifics of programming changes at the WKORV as it relates to a warning posted by management. You described the programming as "porn" and although I disagree with your description, as you do with mine, I appreciate your desire not to see it. That said, I believe that SVN would be making an error if they were to remove HBO from their programming. Rather, if such programming offends, don't use the channel up/down but rather go straight to the desired channel.

 

[ricoba]

To ricoba, I also understand that TUG tries to be civil, but this thread has not always been. That was my point.

Yes, I understood that.

 

[daventrina]

I cannot understand why the people performing in those dirty movies & videos -- especially the women -- are willing to do that on camera while their parents are still lving.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

You could check out the discussion by Katie Morgan on guess where? HBO
Caution: Rating NR/AO LO, N, SC

 

[Ekaaj]

Rather, if such programming offends, don't use the channel up/down but rather go straight to the desired channel.

And wouldn't it be great if all hotels, resorts, and timeshares provided a programming guide? Not all places do. The hotel we stayed in recently had no guide whatsoever in the room - I know, because I looked. And thus, part of the dilemma for parents and others. Kids are also more likely to just flip through the channels.

I am not suggesting that they discontinue providing HBO, just that they provide a way to opt into (or out of) that channel. Just as there are ways to order Pay Per View movies, why not offer a way to "order" HBO channels, for free? Seems like it might be a compromise, especially in places like Hawaii where there is early program timing (8 PM) of potentially offensive/adult rated/porn (pick your description) programs.