Hawaii Fails to Make Conde Nast 2023 Popular Destination List

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Lots of travel demand all over the world after the last couple years also.

Hawaii Fails To Make 2023 Conde Nast Traveler Popular Destination List

What does Hawaii need to do to rank high again on visitor surveys again?

beatofhawaii.com

 

[pedro47]

How in the world did Istanbul , Turkey and Woodstock, Vermont make this list?
I wonder how many tourist that voter for Istanbul and Woodstock actually have visited these two (2) cities ?

I feel these cities are growing in popularity with the average tourist because of their history..
You would have to pay me to return Istanbul.

 

[slip]

How in the world did Istanbul and Woodstock, Vermont make this list?
I wonder how many tourist that voter for Istanbul and Woodstock actually have visited these two (2) cities ?

I feel these cities are growing in popularity with the average tourist.
You would have to pay me to return Istanbul.

In the end it's just an opinion.

 

[DaveNV]

I notice only two US locations made that top 10 list. If it was a "trending" (aka "upcoming and fresh") location, I can understand why Hawaii might not make it. Hawaii is not a new, flashy place to stay. Plus, Vermont and the Florida Keys can be driven to - Hawaii can't.

Dave

 

[ScoopKona]

Understatement of the week, from this article:


"The Hawaii travel marketing mess doesn’t help."

 

[easyrider]

Hawaii doesn't offer much to many younger tourists. Night life has always sucked. Laws have been in place regarding drinking and smoking on a public beach. Generally, it's a pretty boring place with nice weather which is what many older people kind of like. I didn't really like Hawaii until I was in my mid 50's and even then it was a boring place at night. I finally hit the age where I can appreciate a beautiful but boring place with warm weather.

The night life doesn't work in Hawaii for tourists mainly because of the time zone being 2 to 5 hours different from the mainland.

Bill

 

[DaveNV]

The night life doesn't work in Hawaii for tourists mainly because of the time zone being 2 to 5 hours different from the mainland.

Bill

Why would the time zone matter? Night life is night life, isn't it?

Dave

 

[pspercy]

CondeNast used to be a decent magazine with useful info. ex mid 90s, excellent piece about the use of Melatonin in relief from jetlag,
Over the years it has got more glossy/high end, even more "PC".
I cancelled my subscription years ago.

 

[easyrider]

Why would the time zone matter? Night life is night life, isn't it?

Dave

Not really. Night life starts at different times depending on time one. For me on the PST I can stay up pretty late in the EST because mid night feels like 9pm. Some times there is a 2 hour time difference going from PST to HST meaning 9pm feels like 11pm for us. Those traveling from EST can feel like 9pm is 2am in HST.

For us, staying up late and partying is getting to be a rare event and usually involves partying with a small group of friends and family until 11pm instead of 5am. There are very few people I really enjoy drinking with but occasionally at our cabin along with a nice fire these few and I will drink way too much and have our fun time all night long.

Bill

 

[DaveNV]

Not really. Night life starts at different times depending on time one. For me on the PST I can stay up pretty late in the EST because mid night feels like 9pm. Some times there is a 2 hour time difference going from PST to HST meaning 9pm feels like 11pm for us. Those traveling from EST can feel like 9pm is 2am in HST.

For us, staying up late and partying is getting to be a rare event and usually involves partying with a small group of friends and family until 11pm instead of 5am. There are very few people I really enjoy drinking with but occasionally at our cabin along with a nice fire these few and I will drink way too much and have our fun time all night long.

Bill

So if I understand, you're saying it's due to jet lag affecting the energy level of the traveler? I can see that, to a point. But people who travel often have to regularly deal with time zone issues. A West Coast traveler who goes to the East Coast should be in great form, since midnight there would feel like 9PM to them. But after a day or two of the new time zone, things tend to settle into a more normal routine. That was what happened when we went to New York City in June.

We spent two weeks in Hawaii in September with friends from the East Coast. It was a six hour time difference for them, but only three for us. They stayed up later than we did most nights, but also woke up later than we did next morning. We never did become synchronized. Lucky thing we weren't looking for wild and crazy nightlife. LOL!

Dave

 

[daviator]

How in the world did Istanbul , Turkey and Woodstock, Vermont make this list?
I wonder how many tourist that voter for Istanbul and Woodstock actually have visited these two (2) cities ?

I feel these cities are growing in popularity with the average tourist because of their history..
You would have to pay me to return Istanbul.

Different strokes, I guess. I thought Istanbul was one of the most interesting places I've ever been, and I've been to a lot of places. I can't speak for Woodstock, Vermont though!

 

[ScoopKona]

I can't speak for Woodstock, Vermont though!

I can.

When the drinking age was raised to 21, I was just young enough to not be grandfathered in. Since I attended school in New England, we took loads of road trips up to Montreal, which is still civilized enough to let 18-year olds drink beer.

Yes, we were quite capable of obtaining alcohol on our own. But we couldn't go to clubs and felt we were missing out on something important. So up to St. Catherine Street we would go, at least one weekend every month. We drove through Vermont on 91 and 89. The whole state is lovely -- what people think about when they think New England. We'd usually stop in Lebanon or Woodstock (just a couple towns out of the way) for lunch.

The worst border crossing I ever made was coming back into the US from one of those trips. I got officer Jarhead the border patrol nazi. He assumed that since we made so many crossings that we must be smuggling drugs. (I assure you, officer, we're just going there to meet girls and drink beer. We also took in an Expos game.) Nope, he wasn't buying it. Tore my roomie's car completely apart to the point where we couldn't go anywhere. That was a fun phone call for my dorm roommate. "Dad? Yeah. We're stuck at the border. Border patrol destroyed the car. No, they said they don't have to pay for it. Can you drive to the Canadian border tomorrow with a AAA card?"

 

[easyrider]

Lucky thing we weren't looking for wild and crazy nightlife. LOL!

Some one told me that wild slowly becomes mild as you age. I'm not fighting it anymore.

Bill

 

[pedro47]

This is a strange article because London , Rome, Vegas, Hawaii, and New York City did not make the Top Ten List.

 

[bnoble]

This is a nothingburger. It's a list of "trending" destinations not "popular" ones, where "trending" is defined as places with "significant increases in booking popularity with U.S. travelers between 2019 and 2022."

It can't possibly be a surprise that between 2019 and 2022 Hawaii did not see a "significant increase in booking popularity" because of, you know, the pandemic. Furthermore, one good way to see a significant increase is to go from "no one wants to go there" to "oh look, some people want to go there." In other words, it is easier for places that are not particularly popular to see booking momentum. I think @DaveNV is on the right track here.

 

[pedro47]

HaHa, if you are at the bottom of a tourists destination and you see any increase in tourists visitng your city. You are bound to make this list. IMHO.

 

[Tamaradarann]

I can.

When the drinking age was raised to 21, I was just young enough to not be grandfathered in. Since I attended school in New England, we took loads of road trips up to Montreal, which is still civilized enough to let 18-year olds drink beer.

Yes, we were quite capable of obtaining alcohol on our own. But we couldn't go to clubs and felt we were missing out on something important. So up to St. Catherine Street we would go, at least one weekend every month. We drove through Vermont on 91 and 89. The whole state is lovely -- what people think about when they think New England. We'd usually stop in Lebanon or Woodstock (just a couple towns out of the way) for lunch.

The worst border crossing I ever made was coming back into the US from one of those trips. I got officer Jarhead the border patrol nazi. He assumed that since we made so many crossings that we must be smuggling drugs. (I assure you, officer, we're just going there to meet girls and drink beer. We also took in an Expos game.) Nope, he wasn't buying it. Tore my roomie's car completely apart to the point where we couldn't go anywhere. That was a fun phone call for my dorm roommate. "Dad? Yeah. We're stuck at the border. Border patrol destroyed the car. No, they said they don't have to pay for it. Can you drive to the Canadian border tomorrow with a AAA card?"

A similar thing happened to my ex-husband in around 1973/74. Coming back from a camping trip in Canada we crossed at a sleepy crossing in Maine. Well they thought we had drugs and they did tear parts of the interior of the car apart but put it all back. It ws more of an inconvienience having to stop and wait for their seach. We did have some small amount of pot, we had a couple of joints that I put inside of a tampon case in the luggage. They searched the luggage but never searched in there.

 

[Tamaradarann]

So if I understand, you're saying it's due to jet lag affecting the energy level of the traveler? I can see that, to a point. But people who travel often have to regularly deal with time zone issues. A West Coast traveler who goes to the East Coast should be in great form, since midnight there would feel like 9PM to them. But after a day or two of the new time zone, things tend to settle into a more normal routine. That was what happened when we went to New York City in June.

We spent two weeks in Hawaii in September with friends from the East Coast. It was a six hour time difference for them, but only three for us. They stayed up later than we did most nights, but also woke up later than we did next morning. We never did become synchronized. Lucky thing we weren't looking for wild and crazy nightlife. LOL!

Dave

Were they the same or similar age as you. When we were in our 20's and 30's we would get to Manhattan just before midnight, since it was free to get in and avoid the $20/person cover after midnight. This was the late 70's so $20 was like $200 today. We would party at this club, which was an after hours club which could stay open after 4AM, until 7 AM go to breakfast and then drive home to Long Island at 10 AM. We can do that anymore since we are in our 70's so we go to matinee shows, 5 PM or so dinners, and get to bed by 10 PM.

 

[DaveNV]

Were they the same or similar age as you. When we were in our 20's and 30's we would get to Manhattan just before midnight, since it was free to get in and avoid the $20/person cover after midnight. This was the late 70's so $20 was like $200 today. We would party at this club, which was an after hours club which could stay open after 4AM, until 7 AM go to breakfast and then drive home to Long Island at 10 AM. We can do that anymore since we are in our 70's so we go to matinee shows, 5 PM or so dinners, and get to bed by 10 PM.

Yes, our age, all in our 60s, and we've been friends for decades. All birthdays within two months of each other. There were other issues that prevented us from sync'ing with them, but the sleeping times thing was just odd.

Dave

 

[Tamaradarann]

Yes, our age, all in our 60s, and we've been friends for decades. All birthdays within two months of each other. There were other issues that prevented us from sync'ing with them, but the sleeping times thing was just odd.

Dave

My Brother-in Law is 69 and a musician and is a night owl since he plays until 3 AM sometimes. We also have an uncle who we can't call until sometime in the mid afternoon since he sleeps late and we have friends who rise around 11 AM every morning. We are usually up by 5 AM. I totally agree with that some people sleep different times. We find in Hawaii it is best to get up early and get out and enjoy the beautiful weather in the day time. Also since we walk or bus all the time in Honolulu, and it is not as safe being out late at night and in the wee hours of the moring as it is in the daylight hours.

 

[jehb2]

Before kids in the 90’s we use to go to dance clubs in the Honolulu area. The concierge never had much information. So, we would always ask a younger bell man and slip him a 20. There weren’t a lot clubs but enough to have fun. We even got invited to a house party when we were watching a surfing competition on the north shore. Now that was something.

We could only find one club in Maui, and nothing on Kauai and the Big Island. That was the 90s and early 2000s. I have no idea what the club scene is like now.