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I work in finance and had a client approach me about buying his TS in Tropic Shores resort in Daytona Beach.

He is in bad health an unable to travel, which is the reason he is selling

From what I understand it’s a 1Bed/1BA unit that has “flex week” where I’d get to go for one week, at pretty much any time of year, less bike week and Daytona 500. He quoted the annual costs to be between $400-$600
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He offered to sell it to me for $4000 and we would get to use it the week of Sept 12. The property is deeded. What does this board think? Is there anything blatant that I am missing? I know the price is much higher than some of them I’ve seen on this site... I’m hoping for constructive advice here. Posted on another forum (non TS related, but finance related, and got ripped to shreds).

My wife and I both have flexible work arrangements and are able to travel easily.
TIA
 

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I work in finance and had a client approach me about buying his TS in Tropic Shores resort in Daytona Beach.

He is in bad health an unable to travel, which is the reason he is selling

From what I understand it’s a 1Bed/1BA unit that has “flex week” where I’d get to go for one week, at pretty much any time of year, less bike week and Daytona 500. He quoted the annual costs to be between $400-$600
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He offered to sell it to me for $4000 and we would get to use it the week of Sept 12. The property is deeded. What does this board think? Is there anything blatant that I am missing? I know the price is much higher than some of them I’ve seen on this site... I’m hoping for constructive advice here. Posted on another forum (non TS related, but finance related, and got ripped to shreds).

My wife and I both have flexible work arrangements and are able to travel easily.
TIA
This timeshare should be free and even free I would not take it. Welcome to tug. You need to learn more about timeshares before you get one. It is important to get one that you can easily find a new home for if you don’t want it any more. Also you want to know what will work best for you. Knowledge will let you make a good decision. You can learn that all here.
 

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Odds are it is worth somewhere between $100 and $0. But to be sure, log onto eBay and enter the TS info. Hit enter and down the left side will be 'closed auctions'. Take a look and see what actual weeks like this have sold for. My guess is mostly $zero.

Today, timeshares are virtually worthless. Except in the memories they give people and families through their use. Financially- and by your admission, you're a finance professional, and as such, they are HORRIBLE investments.

Most of us own several, and enjoy their use and the ability to exchange into luxury accommodations at reasonably low cost, but there are tradeoffs. Most require expense to travel to and the ongoing expense continues and increases as time passes.

Anyway, welcome to TUG. We're glad you came here. You won't find better info anywhere about TS. Stick around if it interests you. We'll shoot straight.

Good Luck!

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I work in finance and had a client approach me about buying his TS in Tropic Shores resort in Daytona Beach.

He is in bad health an unable to travel, which is the reason he is selling

From what I understand it’s a 1Bed/1BA unit that has “flex week” where I’d get to go for one week, at pretty much any time of year, less bike week and Daytona 500. He quoted the annual costs to be between $400-$600
.
He offered to sell it to me for $4000 and we would get to use it the week of Sept 12. The property is deeded. What does this board think? Is there anything blatant that I am missing? I know the price is much higher than some of them I’ve seen on this site... I’m hoping for constructive advice here. Posted on another forum (non TS related, but finance related, and got ripped to shreds).

My wife and I both have flexible work arrangements and are able to travel easily.
TIA
You are in a no win situation. If you buy it for 4k, you will regret overpaying. If you pay close to its value, zero, your client will probably feel he was "cheated" and lost few thousand dollars. Many owners genuinely do not know (or want to know) how little their little treasure is worth. Anything in between will make you both unhappy. Better to indicate to him to post it on Redweek directly. You may also be in a conflict if you buy it, will your company be happy with a transaction between you and your client?
 

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I work in finance and had a client approach me about buying his TS in Tropic Shores resort in Daytona Beach.

He is in bad health an unable to travel, which is the reason he is selling

From what I understand it’s a 1Bed/1BA unit that has “flex week” where I’d get to go for one week, at pretty much any time of year, less bike week and Daytona 500. He quoted the annual costs to be between $400-$600
.
He offered to sell it to me for $4000 and we would get to use it the week of Sept 12. The property is deeded. What does this board think? Is there anything blatant that I am missing? I know the price is much higher than some of them I’ve seen on this site... I’m hoping for constructive advice here. Posted on another forum (non TS related, but finance related, and got ripped to shreds).

My wife and I both have flexible work arrangements and are able to travel easily.
TIA
Buy 4000 worth of a stock. Not a timeshare.
 

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Agree with the others.

My suggestion is to offer to pay him the maintenance fee and use it this September. This will give you a chance to test drive to see if you like the resort. According to TUG reviews (which you can access as a TUG member) the resort is well rated. That doesn’t make it worth $4,000 though. There are three TUG listings for this resort in the classifieds and they range from $1 to $500.
 

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So let me make sure I’m getting this correct.
You guys are saying that the value of the TS is not worth 4K and in actuality is closer to zero. And the $400-$600 resort fee is normal.
It is “worthless” because so many people are willing to get rid of theirs at fire sale prices to avoid the annual fees.

I’ve looked at the classifieds for these units and have seen where they are going for between $1 and $599.

So if I want to buy it, buy it at the $0 price and pay the $400-$600 annually, but the property may not be the best because if we wanted to change properties, it would be hard to unload.

Are the above statements the correct takeaway?

I’d also like to follow that with two questions.

Are there other fees I’m not thinking about besides the $400-$600 annual maintenance?

At what point (in your minds) does it make sense to do a TS over VRBO or AirBNB?

In my head I’m thinking we just paid 2k to rent a condo at the beach, and we do something similar each year. Maybe not the same beach, but all somewhere in SC, GA, or FL.
Doing this basically locks my beach trip in at 1/4 of the cost. The trade off being that it’s at the same beach.
 
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At what point (in your minds) does it make sense to do a TS over VRBO or AirBNB?
Don't pay a penny for it, if you want to take it to get your 'feet wet' and really start learning about timeshares, maybe. OR forget VRBO and AirBnb and just put your requests needs up on TUG in the appropriate forum and cut out the middleman!
 

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So let me make sure I’m getting this correct.
You guys are saying that the value of the TS is not worth 4K and in actuality is closer to zero. And the $400-$600 resort fee is normal.
It is “worthless” because so many people are willing to get rid of theirs at fire sale prices to avoid the annual fees.

I’ve looked at the classifieds for these units and have seen where they are going for between $1 and $599.

So if I want to buy it, buy it at the $0 price and pay the $400-$600 annually, but the property may not be the best because if we wanted to change properties, it would be hard to unload.

Are the above statements the correct takeaway?

I’d also like to follow that with two questions.

Are there other fees I’m not thinking about besides the $400-$600 annual maintenance?

At what point (in your minds) does it make sense to do a TS over VRBO or AirBNB?

In my head I’m thinking we just paid 2k to rent a condo at the beach, and we do something similar each year. Maybe not the same beach, but all somewhere in SC, GA, or FL.
Doing this basically locks my beach trip in at 1/4 of the cost. The trade off being that it’s at the same beach.

Everything you said is correct. One add though, timeshare owners could be subject to special assessments which are one time fees that could get into four figures. This is usually the result of poorly managed HOAs which value low maintenance fees over proper reserving for upkeep.

Not every timeshare is worthless. The branded systems, DVC, Marriott and Hilton for example, have resale value but even that is a fraction of what they sell for retail.

Back to this resort. There are no eBay sales or listings. Redweek has a few but they are also minimal prices. Some sites, like Sell My Timeshare Now, are a advertising site where sellers will list their timeshares for unrealistic prices and they don’t sell.

Another suggestion is to ask about this resort in the TUG US Florida forum and maybe an owner of this resort will respond with their opinions.

Finally, timesharing is like visiting the buffet. If you just grab the very first item you see you may find it too salty or bland for your taste. What you need to do is read about all the possible food items that are out there (TUG threads) and maybe sample a few before committing to more (check out the last minute rentals on TUG). If you load up on that first item you see and eventually decide you can’t stand it any longer you can’t just dump it in the trash. You will need to find someone else to take your food from you and if everyone knows it is salty and bland you will have a hard time finding someone even if you are giving it away for free.

Taking your time will ensure you know if timesharing is for you and if so, you can make the right long term commitment.
 

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Why don't you tell him that your company's conflict of interest policy does not allow you to do this transaction. Then you don't lose a client and retain the ability to buy this at the "Fair Market Value" which is significantly lower, if not zero.
 

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You are in a no win situation. If you buy it for 4k, you will regret overpaying. If you pay close to its value, zero, your client will probably feel he was "cheated" and lost few thousand dollars. Many owners genuinely do not know (or want to know) how little their little treasure is worth. Anything in between will make you both unhappy. Better to indicate to him to post it on Redweek directly. You may also be in a conflict if you buy it, will your company be happy with a transaction between you and your client?
Right on
Just say no thanks.
He will need to come to the realization that his timeshare is worthless on his own
 

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I suggest you read through the replies here:
 

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Not to mention you wake up and you're in Daytona beach.
 

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You guys are saying that the value of the TS is not worth 4K and in actuality is closer to zero. And the $400-$600 resort fee is normal.
It is “worthless” because so many people are willing to get rid of theirs at fire sale prices to avoid the annual fees.
Most of the people on TUG are very satisfied timeshare owners. We all see a lot of value in the timeshares we own. But, the way we value them is probably not what the market value is.

The market value of the week is influenced in part by how the secondary market for timeshares (doesn't) work. In general, timeshare is a product that is sold, not bought. Partly this is because the value proposition isn't always obvious, and the model works differently than the vacation rental market. It takes some time to wrap your head around it. Developers spend a good chunk of money on marketing and sales to help overcome these challenges. But, there is no equivalent effort on the secondary market, so there tends to be an oversupply relative to organic demand.

Edited to note: apparently this is a floating week. If so, the stuff below is no longer relevant:
This particular week has some liabilities. Mid-September is not the time I want to be on the Florida Atlantic coast. It's hotter than blazes and it's peak hurricane season. For many families, it's also early in the school year, and a time when they really would prefer not to travel. That doesn't bother you so much, but it does hurt the value of the week both for resale and if you want to trade it (via "exchange"). It's sort of like how school districts matter to property values. You might not have school aged kids any longer, but I bet you still look at school district quality when you are thinking about moving. Why? Because it effects the value of the house in general, just not to you.


Now, if that's a time when you *do* want to be on the Florida Atlantic coast, then maybe those things don't matter. In fact, you might really prefer this time. As long as there isn't a storm brewing, it's still very much beach weather, but the beaches are not at all crowded. So the next question is: what it would it cost you to rent something that has approximately this unit's quality and location, at this time of year for a week? If the answer is "a healthy amount above $500," then this week might have tangible value to you even if it doesn't have a ton of value to others. But, you don't need to pay anyone $4K to get it, for all of the above reasons.

Finally, there is an intangible benefit to owning, and for me it is one of the most important reasons to consider buying: you are committed to pre-paying for vacation lodging every year, and that increases the chances that you actually take vacation. Our culture is not one that celebrates leisure, so having some extra pressure to take time off is often helpful. I can guarantee you I have not saved money by owning timeshares. That's because I took more vacations that I would have if left to my own devices. To be fair, I would have spent SIGNIFICANTLY more money renting all the condos we've stayed in over the years if I had done them all as cash rentals, but I would not have done that so it is a specious comparison.

Finally, timesharing is like visiting the buffet. If you just grab the very first item you see you may find it too salty or bland for your taste. What you need to do is read about all the possible food items that are out there (TUG threads) and maybe sample a few before committing to more (check out the last minute rentals on TUG). If you load up on that first item you see and eventually decide you can’t stand it any longer you can’t just dump it in the trash. You will need to find someone else to take your food from you and if everyone knows it is salty and bland you will have a hard time finding someone even if you are giving it away for free.
This is a great analogy and super advice. It is very easy to buy a timeshare on the secondary market. It is very hard to sell one. You sound like you might like the idea of owning one, but take your time to make a good decision.
 
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So let me make sure I’m getting this correct.
You guys are saying that the value of the TS is not worth 4K and in actuality is closer to zero. And the $400-$600 resort fee is normal.
It is “worthless” because so many people are willing to get rid of theirs at fire sale prices to avoid the annual fees.

I’ve looked at the classifieds for these units and have seen where they are going for between $1 and $599.

So if I want to buy it, buy it at the $0 price and pay the $400-$600 annually, but the property may not be the best because if we wanted to change properties, it would be hard to unload.

Are the above statements the correct takeaway?

I’d also like to follow that with two questions.

Are there other fees I’m not thinking about besides the $400-$600 annual maintenance?

At what point (in your minds) does it make sense to do a TS over VRBO or AirBNB?

In my head I’m thinking we just paid 2k to rent a condo at the beach, and we do something similar each year. Maybe not the same beach, but all somewhere in SC, GA, or FL.
Doing this basically locks my beach trip in at 1/4 of the cost. The trade off being that it’s at the same beach.
Rent an airbnb at the beach! Especially if you travel around the US. Some timeshare companies like Marriott, HGVC, Vistana, Hyatt, etc have great locations and excellent resorts. Those can be worth it. You can all get a free low maint fee trader and go to multiple locations around the marble. If you ever wanted a TS get one that’s desirable, you’ll then be able to give it away easily if you wanted to get out.
 
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This particular week has some liabilities. Mid-September is not the time I want to be on the Florida Atlantic coast. It's hotter than blazes and it's peak hurricane season. For many families, it's also early in the school year, and a time when they really would prefer not to travel. That doesn't bother you so much, but it does hurt the value of the week both for resale and if you want to trade it (via "exchange"). It's sort of like how school districts matter to property values. You might not have school aged kids any longer, but I bet you still look at school district quality when you are thinking about moving. Why? Because it effects the value of the house in general, just not to you.
It looks like the week floats all year except for Daytona 500 and Bike Week. It just seems that maybe the current owner has a 2020 reservation for September.
 

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Agree with the others.

My suggestion is to offer to pay him the maintenance fee and use it this September. This will give you a chance to test drive to see if you like the resort. According to TUG reviews (which you can access as a TUG member) the resort is well rated. That doesn’t make it worth $4,000 though. There are three TUG listings for this resort in the classifieds and they range from $1 to $500.

If interested in Daytona in September, this is a reasonable approach...

George
 

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I agree rent it to see if you like it. Don’t buy it before you try it.
 

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AugustaTiger:

Welcome to TUG.

Most likely, your client has a Sept reservation because he never learned how/when to make reservations at the earliest possible moment. Let's say a great week at the beach is 4th of July. To get that week, typically, one must call (or go online), one year in advance, as soon as the reservation system opens, and reserve it that day. That is because you are competing with every other Owner for the highest demand weeks, (except for the Owners of Daytona and Bike weeks).

Note: I have no knowledge of Tropic Shores. This was an example. You would have to contact the management company at Tropic Shores to ask exactly when the reservation system opens for each week. Is it 12 months? 10 months? some other date? This is a game, and to "win" you must know the rules.

Timeshare owners unfamiliar with the rules tend to think of the timeshare as a "hotel", and just call a couple of months before they wish to travel. That's when they get the only weeks left: something during hurricane season.

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FYI:
Preferred weeks are 1-4, 38-45 and 47-50.
Prime weeks are any week except Fixed weeks 6 & 7: 5, 8-37, 46, 51-52.
Fixed weeks are 6 & 7.

On their own website, they advertised a recent auction, and are offering "Preferred" weeks for sale around $500, which includes the 2020 annual maintenance fee.
Also, there is a sales packet here:
Even "Prime" and "Fixed" weeks are not selling for $4K (and prices from the Homeowners Association are typically higher than private sales.)

The resort offers its Owners "day use privileges".
All units are ocean front.
 
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Well...I got in touch with the office of the resort and I can buy my own 2 bedroom unit (instead of a 1br) for less than the guy was offering it to me for. Their published price was $3500 and that included the 2020 fees. I could buy one of the 1br units for $1000 including 2020 fees.
Obviously I’m not going to pay 4 times market value for something. I may offer him the fees for the year to try the resort out.
I also found the last minute rental board on this forum and we may just travel around to different places for the next couple of years to find where we like. All those posts under $800 feel like a steal.
 

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I work in finance and had a client approach me about buying his TS in Tropic Shores resort in Daytona Beach.

While the TS isn't worth anything sometimes the client is. I know I have over paid for clients things to help them out but the over payment was made up in the services I provided . Often times the client brought in more clients. Even so, a timeshare isn't something that can easily be disposed of so I wouldn't do it. I would pass and maybe tell them about TUG so they could learn how to get rid of it.

Bill
 
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