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Good traders in MVC

Yes, trade power is less. However, II doesn't tell you how much less.
I test out manual trades pretty often just to see what I can get. I've noticed in the last 6 months or so, it seems like my Studio pulls much less than it did before...before what, I don't know, but something has changed.
 
I can't argue with the other posts, but I'd go with Grande Vista in the Florida Club as my choice simply because you can trade into Ocean Point, Beach Club Towers, (and Doral and Legend's edge....but they are only 2BR). If you are trading in II, the Florida Club option isn't great due to when you can deposit, but if you are renting, it could work out.

Also, the GV studio is an unbelievable trader in II if you book the highest travel demand weeks in Platinum season.
 
I can't argue with the other posts, but I'd go with Grande Vista in the Florida Club as my choice simply because you can trade into Ocean Point, Beach Club Towers, (and Doral and Legend's edge....but they are only 2BR). If you are trading in II, the Florida Club option isn't great due to when you can deposit, but if you are renting, it could work out.

Also, the GV studio is an unbelievable trader in II if you book the highest travel demand weeks in Platinum season.
I think you mean BeachPlace Towers(BPT)in Fort Lauderdale..which has 1BR and 2BR Lockoff Units
 
I own a Shadow Ridge Enclaves Deluxe unit. They are somewhat rare - - only 44 units. But it exchanges as two ONE bedroom units. Both with W/D, dishwasher, one with an oven and one with a dual burner cooktop.

In the past I have done some experimental searches comparing the Enclaves to DSV1 and DSV2, using the exact same (hypothetical) check in dates. I was pleasantly surprised that I could see a little better availability with the SRE unit than the DSV1 and 2.

The MF has gone up, but other than that, I love that it trades as two 1-BR units. 1-BR units can see more 1 and 2 BR's than the efficiency.
 
I am thinking of buying a Marriott Mountainside because it is a resort we could always use. Can anyone tell me how the trading power is?
 
I am thinking of buying a Marriott Mountainside because it is a resort we could always use. Can anyone tell me how the trading power is?

What season? A platinum ski week would have great trading power, but the buy-in cost is high. I would say a summer gold week would be average at best. (I have no experience with this resort just looking at the TDI.). A silver week is not a good buy.
 
What season? A platinum ski week would have great trading power, but the buy-in cost is high. I would say a summer gold week would be average at best. (I have no experience with this resort just looking at the TDI.). A silver week is not a good buy.
I had thought a gold week because that is when we would like to go. Perhaps we should look for a Grand Chateau instead. How important is it to buy Platinum? We are hoping to use it to trade into Hawaii in winter. We are retired so we can be flexible.
 
Has anyone soured on the Florida resorts as traders with the looming maintenance fee increases?
 
Has anyone soured on the Florida resorts as traders with the looming maintenance fee increases?
That is a concern that I have since we own four Florida weeks. I don't think the BOD at any of the resorts are doing a good job of communicating to owners the issue. I also think they really don't know or understand what the law entails. Do resorts have to maintain fully funded reserves based on Florida statutory funding levels, or funding levels based on regular reserve studies that the resorts will be mandated to perform. If the former, why mandate reserve studies at all if a resort HOA can no longer waive fully funded reserves. I suspect each HOA is paying a bundle of money to get legal council on the subject. Probably MVW internal legal council that is then turning back and billing the HOAs furthering MVWs bottom line. Though that last part may just be the cynic in me.
 
Has anyone soured on the Florida resorts as traders with the looming maintenance fee increases?
Not yet...guess it depends on the final impacts. If we're talking a couple hundred dollars a year I wouldn't sweat it. If we're talking >$2K/year maintenance fees for Orlando 2 BR units that's something else.

The Abound trust also owns a ton of inventory in Florida, especially Orlando so there's going to be some impact on the points side, too.
 
Can't say I have been following this FL fully funded topic super close, but wouldn't the uptick be pretty much a one time hit, then would drop back to normal a year later....and flow fairly normally from there.
  • Lets say the replacement reserve is set at $500 per unit now.
  • Lets say based on the new rules, they need another $250 per unit to be fully funded.
  • They hit you with a one time $250 "special assessment" to get the replacement reserves up to $750 per unit.
  • Once they are at $750, seems like any annual increases after that would be fairly close to the annual increases today, in the not fully funded world. Perhaps a little more, but seemingly not a lot more since many of these reserves are for 10-20 year items. Its not like they have not been reserving at all, they have just been reserving at a slower pace than a fully funded pace.
  • So seems you would see a one year blip increase, then the next year would drop back down below what it was in that catch up year.
Is my thinking off???
 
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Not yet...guess it depends on the final impacts. If we're talking a couple hundred dollars a year I wouldn't sweat it. If we're talking >$2K/year maintenance fees for Orlando 2 BR units that's something else.
To be fair. a $200 increase at some of the Orlando resorts like Grande Vista or Harbour Lake will take us pretty close to $2K/year MF.
 
Hello Folks -- What are some of your preferred MVC resorts that have great trading power in II and ROI (in terms of acquisition cost, MF, price/point etc)
Have a bunch of Vistana weeks and looking to get a few MVC weeks.
Thanks for the advice :hug
Are you looking to trade back into Marriott resorts? One thing to keep in mind, if you want DVC exchanges then a MGV will be restricted into trading back into Disney. If that weren’t the case, I’d probably go with a MGV in the Florida Club.
 
Has anyone soured on the Florida resorts as traders with the looming maintenance fee increases?
IMO if that happens, it'll change the entire thought process for MVC buying and exchanging. IMO there are 4 components to a good trader. Low buy in cost, reasonable fees, good to very good trade power (non are high end) and lock off capable. Specific to your question, if fees for HL & GV make them poor choices as a MVC trader, does it narrow the field simply to WR & GC or does it broaden the field to include CA desert options and Ocean Pointe in the core group? And possibly bring Doral & Legend's Edge more into view due to the FL Club option. An increase in fees sufficient to cause this shift will certainly result in a reduced price. Personally I don't see if making any difference to most and for those where it does, it'll likely be more of an emotional block that a financial one. If it's a financial one, they shouldn't be buying anyway if a could hundred $$$ a year per week makes this unworkable for them. As I said recently though, I expect HL to end up with lower fees than GV in a few years.
 
Are you looking to trade back into Marriott resorts? One thing to keep in mind, if you want DVC exchanges then a MGV will be restricted into trading back into Disney. If that weren’t the case, I’d probably go with a MGV in the Florida Club.
You could still use the FC for non GV reservation then exchange to DVC.
 
IMO if that happens, it'll change the entire thought process for MVC buying and exchanging. IMO there are 4 components to a good trader. Low buy in cost, reasonable fees, good to very good trade power (non are high end) and lock off capable. Specific to your question, if fees for HL & GV make them poor choices as a MVC trader, does it narrow the field simply to WR & GC or does it broaden the field to include CA desert options and Ocean Pointe in the core group? And possibly bring Doral & Legend's Edge more into view due to the FL Club option. An increase in fees sufficient to cause this shift will certainly result in a reduced price. Personally I don't see if making any difference to most and for those where it does, it'll likely be more of an emotional block that a financial one. If it's a financial one, they shouldn't be buying anyway if a could hundred $$$ a year per week makes this unworkable for them. As I said recently though, I expect HL to end up with lower fees than GV in a few years.
I would think any change related to the laws about fully funding reserves would wipe out any Florida property as a good option. At least as compared to MGC or WLR. If the fees at Grande Vista and Harbour Lake moved into the $2K range, it might make the Palm Desert resorts equal options. RIght now those are not very good because the fees have gone up drastically. Perhaps Manor Club Sequel would also be a decent option again like it was way back in the mid 2000s.

The fees at Harbour Lake have always puzzled me. I suspect it is because of the smaller owner base having to cover fees for a resort that was planned to be much larger. Kind of the same situation that exists at Lakeshore Reserve.
 
I would think any change related to the laws about fully funding reserves would wipe out any Florida property as a good option. At least as compared to MGC or WLR. If the fees at Grande Vista and Harbour Lake moved into the $2K range, it might make the Palm Desert resorts equal options. RIght now those are not very good because the fees have gone up drastically. Perhaps Manor Club Sequel would also be a decent option again like it was way back in the mid 2000s.

The fees at Harbour Lake have always puzzled me. I suspect it is because of the smaller owner base having to cover fees for a resort that was planned to be much larger. Kind of the same situation that exists at Lakeshore Reserve.
I've always assumed the higher fees were at least partially related to catch up on the upgrades from Horizon's to MVC proper. Given it's footprint and building makeup I would expect it to be cheaper long term but we'll see.
 
You could still use the FC for non GV reservation then exchange to DVC.
Interesting. I thought it all depends on where your week was deeded. So a Florida based week ownership wouldn’t qualify if the underlying week was located in Florida within the distance limit.
 
You could still use the FC for non GV reservation then exchange to DVC.
Interesting. I thought it all depends on where your week was deeded. So a Florida based week ownership wouldn’t qualify if the underlying week was located in Florida within the distance limit.
 
Interesting. I thought it all depends on where your week was deeded. So a Florida based week ownership wouldn’t qualify if the underlying week was located in Florida within the distance limit.
It’s actually listed on Interval’s website as a Florida club and then you pick the resort
 
I've always assumed the higher fees were at least partially related to catch up on the upgrades from Horizon's to MVC proper. Given it's footprint and building makeup I would expect it to be cheaper long term but we'll see.
I always thought the same, but we are now more than 10 years past the rename and all renovations have been completed. They rooms are now up to Marriott standards. Harbour Lake also has a lot of kids activieis and the pretty big minim golf course. I suspect it now has to do with the amenities and split with fewer owners.
 
Interesting. I thought it all depends on where your week was deeded. So a Florida based week ownership wouldn’t qualify if the underlying week was located in Florida within the distance limit.
Yeah, if you own Grande Vista you can reserve Ocean Pointe and when you deposit Ocean Pointe through the Florida Club, it gets you outside the DVC regional block.
 
Yeah, if you own Grande Vista you can reserve Ocean Pointe and when you deposit Ocean Pointe through the Florida Club, it gets you outside the DVC regional block.
That’s really good to know.
 
It’s actually listed on Interval’s website as a Florida club and then you pick the resort
How far in advance can you book a FC resort outside of Orlando and then deposit?
 
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