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Four Seasons Residence Club Aviara, North San Diego (it is worth it)

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I own 2 EOY gold weeks at FSA. I won the lottery in my first year of ownership and we exchanged into Four Seasons Costa Rica. That was one of the nicest resorts I have ever been to. We have only visited FSA once. I am not sure we will ever go again but I can get decent exchanges through Third Home and Elite Alliance since they value FSA pretty highly. It is hard to get good exchanges for places we want to go so I need to check a lot. I am not sure I will be keeping my weeks longer term. They are hard to sell because there seems to be a glut of gold weeks. One good thing with owning 1 EOY weeks is I can book at 13 months and I can get some good holiday weeks which give me more trading power in the exchange companies.
Which resort that you have exchanged to that make FS maintenance costs to be worth it ? Lately booking at 12 months is not easy and once you booked it you can’t change to a new date if your plan changed.
 

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Which resort that you have exchanged to that make FS maintenance costs to be worth it ? Lately booking at 12 months is not easy and once you booked it you can’t change to a new date if your plan changed.

With Elite Alliance, I exchanged into Old Greenwood in Tahoe. With ThirdHome, I have exchanged into Tonopalo directly on Lake Tahoe, a not very good townhome in Orlando and a nice cabin in Montana. We also got a keyless exchange at Grand Luxxe in Nuevo Vallarta. Right now, I have a lot of points with both exchanges. I hope I can find some good exchanges. The exchange to Four Seasons Costa Rica basically paid for FSA for at least 10 years and probably a lot longer. FSCR can only be rented with the hotel since it is against the rules for fractional owners to rent them out for cash. The weekly cost can be anywhere from $30K to $100K for the unit type we stayed in.
 

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With Elite Alliance, I exchanged into Old Greenwood in Tahoe. With ThirdHome, I have exchanged into Tonopalo directly on Lake Tahoe, a not very good townhome in Orlando and a nice cabin in Montana. We also got a keyless exchange at Grand Luxxe in Nuevo Vallarta. Right now, I have a lot of points with both exchanges. I hope I can find some good exchanges. The exchange to Four Seasons Costa Rica basically paid for FSA for at least 10 years and probably a lot longer. FSCR can only be rented with the hotel since it is against the rules for fractional owners to rent them out for cash. The weekly cost can be anywhere from $30K to $100K for the unit type we stayed in.
I have previously looked into Elite Alliance and Third Home exchanges. The yearly membership for Elite Alliance ranges from $600 to $800, but I’m uncertain about the extra fees for each exchange. Third Home, on the other hand, charges a membership fee of $1,000 per exchange, which becomes costly when considering the additional $3,000 maintenance fee. It seems that Welk has acquired many deeds from FSA, allowing their internal exchange to book FSA properties. Tri-west seems to have most of the weeks booked, making it challenging for owners like us to secure reservations. I have been fortunate to win an exchange to FS Punta Mita once. Unfortunately, my experience with the reservation department’s staff was not pleasant as they sounded rude. Despite informing them a month in advance to avoid assigning a room facing a busy street, I still ended up with a room facing Main Street, and the noise from the busy traffic was disruptive. When I requested a room change, I was informed that all rooms were booked, even though the parking lot was empty. For my upcoming stay in December, I attempted to book for Christmas but was informed that there is a long waiting list and all weeks are sold out. It appears to be easier to book a property in Maui through Marriott compared to FSA.
 

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With Elite Alliance, I exchanged into Old Greenwood in Tahoe. With ThirdHome, I have exchanged into Tonopalo directly on Lake Tahoe, a not very good townhome in Orlando and a nice cabin in Montana. We also got a keyless exchange at Grand Luxxe in Nuevo Vallarta. Right now, I have a lot of points with both exchanges. I hope I can find some good exchanges. The exchange to Four Seasons Costa Rica basically paid for FSA for at least 10 years and probably a lot longer. FSCR can only be rented with the hotel since it is against the rules for fractional owners to rent them out for cash. The weekly cost can be anywhere from $30K to $100K for the unit type we stayed in.
 

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Which resort that you have exchanged to that make FS maintenance costs to be worth it ? Lately booking at 12 months is not easy and once you booked it you can’t change to a new date if your plan changed.
We have owned FSRC for 25 years and have gotten wonderful exchanges for 25 years. Granted it was better in the earlier years - went to FS Costa Rica and Nevis. We also used our MF to stay at the George V in Paris and the FS Tokyo (not a whole week but several nights).

We have also had great trades in Mexico and a lot of Marriotts and Westins all over Hawaii on all 4 of the main islands as well as the Marriott Paris Disney (lovely resort). We have gotten some fabulous getaways over the years and have used our Accommodations (both at II) for more good trades. We have been very happy and when I read about the price of some of the other MF's, ours are not bad at all for what we have gotten and continue to get.
 

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I have previously looked into Elite Alliance and Third Home exchanges. The yearly membership for Elite Alliance ranges from $600 to $800, but I’m uncertain about the extra fees for each exchange. Third Home, on the other hand, charges a membership fee of $1,000 per exchange, which becomes costly when considering the additional $3,000 maintenance fee. It seems that Welk has acquired many deeds from FSA, allowing their internal exchange to book FSA properties. Tri-west seems to have most of the weeks booked, making it challenging for owners like us to secure reservations. I have been fortunate to win an exchange to FS Punta Mita once. Unfortunately, my experience with the reservation department’s staff was not pleasant as they sounded rude. Despite informing them a month in advance to avoid assigning a room facing a busy street, I still ended up with a room facing Main Street, and the noise from the busy traffic was disruptive. When I requested a room change, I was informed that all rooms were booked, even though the parking lot was empty. For my upcoming stay in December, I attempted to book for Christmas but was informed that there is a long waiting list and all weeks are sold out. It appears to be easier to book a property in Maui through Marriott compared to FSA.

How are you exchanging into Four Seasons Punta Mita?
 

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We have owned FSRC for 25 years and have gotten wonderful exchanges for 25 years. Granted it was better in the earlier years - went to FS Costa Rica and Nevis. We also used our MF to stay at the George V in Paris and the FS Tokyo (not a whole week but several nights).

We have also had great trades in Mexico and a lot of Marriotts and Westins all over Hawaii on all 4 of the main islands as well as the Marriott Paris Disney (lovely resort). We have gotten some fabulous getaways over the years and have used our Accommodations (both at II) for more good trades. We have been very happy and when I read about the price of some of the other MF's, ours are not bad at all for what we have gotten and continue to get.

I bought FSA from resell, so I don't think I can get FS hotel credits to stay at FS hotels.
 

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How are you exchanging into Four Seasons Punta Mita?
FSA sends out an email around November for the exchange. Usually, you will win the lotto exchange on your first-year purchase, just like the process you went through for your FS Costa Rica exchange
 

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We traded into Villa LaBerge in Del Mar years ago and loved the property and area. We did not love the train coming thru town and blowing the horn all night. Since we did not have A/C , we could not keep the windows closed. A very bad combination.

I would think "the Coaster" would be a consideration all thru that Carlsbad/Del Mar area, and that Aviara would be subject to the same disruption.

We also stayed at Coronado Beach resort across from the Hotel Del Coronado. We also enjoyed that trip very much (they had A/C). And no train !

If we lived out west, i would consider a Grand Pacific Resorts ownership (both locations i mentioned were part of GPR). Certainly not as nice as FSA but both our experiences were great. I think they also have an internal trading system. Being on the east coast we have found locations we love in FL and mostly drive now. But we have done about 7 trips to Ca and enjoyed them all. We found September was a perfect time to be on the CA coast.
 

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We traded into Villa LaBerge in Del Mar years ago and loved the property and area. We did not love the train coming thru town and blowing the horn all night. Since we did not have A/C , we could not keep the windows closed. A very bad combination.

I would think "the Coaster" would be a consideration all thru that Carlsbad/Del Mar area, and that Aviara would be subject to the same disruption.

We also stayed at Coronado Beach resort across from the Hotel Del Coronado. We also enjoyed that trip very much (they had A/C). And no train !

If we lived out west, i would consider a Grand Pacific Resorts ownership (both locations i mentioned were part of GPR). Certainly not as nice as FSA but both our experiences were great. I think they also have an internal trading system. Being on the east coast we have found locations we love in FL and mostly drive now. But we have done about 7 trips to Ca and enjoyed them all. We found September was a perfect time to be on the CA coast.
The train tracks are far enough away from Aviara that train noise wasn't an issue when we stayed there. We stayed there on an exchange and were in a unit that overlooked Aviara Parkway. The road noise was awful. We were unable to open any windows or make use of the seating on the balconies. I would have welcomed train noise as at least that isn't constant! Just up the coast in San Clemente and the Capistrano Beach area of Dana Point there are timeshare resorts that are right next to the train tracks. Of course there is no mention of the fact in the resort information details. Rather an unpleasant surprise at check in.
 

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oceanblue2 - sorry to hear you have also experienced "the Coaster". The views next to the train are great, but it makes A/C in the unit a must have in spite of the normally pleasant coastal temps.
 

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Does Aviara have the same restriction as Scottsdale - rentals are only allowed via a designated broker? Any other rentals prohibited?

 

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Does Aviara have the same restriction as Scottsdale - rentals are only allowed via a designated broker? Any other rentals prohibited?

Would love to know. In 25 years we have never thought of renting our unit, but we might potentially want to in the future. Will appreciate any intel on this.
 

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I rented my on RedWeek with no issues for more than maintenance fees a few years ago. There is new $40 nightly fee that guest must pay now.

You need to fill out a guest authorization form. Pretty simple straightforward process.
 
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