Florida Club - II Deposit - Choices

[Ski-Dad]

I just received my new Marriott ownership account with my MGV Platinum 2 bedroom L/O Florida Club trader. I am now booking my 2025 week with a plan to lock off and deposit to II.

I understand that Marriott Ocean Pointe ("MPB") and Marriott BeachPlace Towers ("MBP") trade better than Marriott Grande Vista.

Does one trade better than the other?

I can get week 13 or 14 at MPB; or
I can get Week 4, 5, 14 or 15 at MPB.

These are all TDI 150 weeks.

Your collective wisdom is always appreciated.

 

[jwalk03]

Any of the above should have excellent trade power. I would give a slight edge to Ocean Pointe over BPT just because it’s generally the more popular of the 2 so I would assume Interval may value it slightly more as well.

I own several GV Florida club weeks, and I do think you get higher trade power for Ocean Pointe than for GV; though GV also trades well, and the advantage of being able to deposit GV a year out instead of only 6 months out for a Florida club reservation I typically just deposit GV, but have occasionally had plans change and deposit and OP week instead.

 

[Ski-Dad]

Any of the above should have excellent trade power. I would give a slight edge to Ocean Pointe over BPT just because it’s generally the more popular of the 2 so I would assume Interval may value it slightly more as well.

I own several GV Florida club weeks, and I do think you get higher trade power for Ocean Pointe than for GV; though GV also trades well, and the advantage of being able to deposit GV a year out instead of only 6 months out for a Florida club reservation I typically just deposit GV, but have occasionally had plans change and deposit and OP week instead.

Late booking 2025 for sure, but that opened up the Florida Club options. Do I need to pay the 2025 prospective MF to deposit the 2025 week now?

 

[Fasttr]

Do I need to pay the 2025 prospective MF to deposit the 2025 week now?

No

 

[Danlop88]

What does everyone think trades better , same tdi, 12 months MGV or 6 month MPB?

 

[Fasttr]

What does everyone think trades better , same tdi, 12 months MGV or 6 month MPB?

I’d go with 12 months. Seems many feel that time carries lots of weight.

 

[Ski-Dad]

I can't do 12 months MGV as I am Platiunum. Assuming I cannot bag a week 51 or 52, my latest MGV week is 34.

So choice is 5 months Marriott Ocean Point or 9.5 months Marriott Grande Vista.

Does the distance out matter that much? By that, should I assume early April Ocean Pointe is better than end of January?

 

[Pamplemousse]

I can't do 12 months MGV as I am Platiunum. Assuming I cannot bag a week 51 or 52, my latest MGV week is 34.

So choice is 5 months Marriott Ocean Point or 9.5 months Marriott Grande Vista.

Does the distance out matter that much? By that, should I assume early April Ocean Pointe is better than end of January?

What matters is requesting early. Request your exchange 12-13 months ahead.
As long as you deposit 60+ days that should not really matter in trading power, especially not a month or 2.
Resort shouldn’t matter much either, with the exception that places where there are tons of deposits (Orlando) maybe be slightly less power.
Major things are rating of resort (elite) and TDI of week.
You are not exchanging directly with someone, II is all automated.
Grab the week at elite with the highest TDI that will allow you to request 13 months before your travel date.

 

[jwalk03]

I’d go with 12 months. Seems many feel that time carries lots of weight.

I agree. I would normally pick the 12-month as well.

 

[dioxide45]

I deposit more based on when I need to use a deposit vs maximizing trade power to a level that probably doesn't make much of a difference. As noted previously, the key for requests is to have your search started early (before the 13 month mark) so your there with your request as deposits start coming in. What you actually deposit is, IMO, secondary.

 

[Ski-Dad]

I was confused a bit by @Pamplemousse references to both 13 months out and no difference as long as you deposit to II 60 plus days out. How can they both be correct?

Am I now correct that these are references to two different things?

1. The 13 months is referencing depsoiuting to II as early as feasible so you can see and book inventory 12 to 13 months out, while it is still available. But if I deposit a solid February, 2025 trade week now, and I am looking to travel in February 2026, I am ok. I am still a solid year plus out for my targeted trades.
2. The 60 plus days is referring to my avoiding the severely diminished trade power of a late deposit, less than 60 days from the reserved week? My other units are Vistana so the 60 days tends not to be an issues as we do not deposit a specific week.

I am also gathering the relative trade powers in my initial query are so immaterial that it amounts to splitting hairs, albeit with a slight nod to the referenced beach properties in max TDI week? These may have a slight boost over MGV.

 

[Dean]

I just received my new Marriott ownership account with my MGV Platinum 2 bedroom L/O Florida Club trader. I am now booking my 2025 week with a plan to lock off and deposit to II.

I understand that Marriott Ocean Pointe ("MPB") and Marriott BeachPlace Towers ("MBP") trade better than Marriott Grande Vista.

Does one trade better than the other?

I can get week 13 or 14 at MPB; or
I can get Week 4, 5, 14 or 15 at MPB.

These are all TDI 150 weeks.

Your collective wisdom is always appreciated.

I doubt anyone will have info to compare those 2 for exchanging but I can't imagine it would make any difference other than lead time to deposit. Personally I'd take OP week 14 of those assuming you can lock it off. If the choice were 12 months out for a top week at MGV compared to the listed options, those are equivalent deposits other than lead time. IMO lead time gives you additional time for usage and this would be my choice. Plus having the deposit in hand is worth something.

 

[Dean]

I am also gathering the relative trade powers in my initial query are so immaterial that it amounts to splitting hairs, albeit with a slight nod to the referenced beach properties in max TDI week? These may have a slight boost over MGV.

Trade power is also linked to how early you deposit. Side by side those 2 resorts would trade better than MGV but with the difference in lead time to deposit being 6 months instead of 12 months (or 7 instead of 13 for multiple weeks) I'd take the extra time. In this case you've already lost 3 months lead time if you were able to book the top week for MGV so I'd go the other way. Remember TDI is not standardized so a 150 in Orlando is not necessarily equivalent to 150 at OP or BP. OP & BP are in the same region for TDI. There also may be slight differences from one week to another or even one year to another, the TDI charts are just a 10,000 ft view.

 

[Ski-Dad]

I doubt anyone will have info to compare those 2 for exchanging but I can't imagine it would make any difference other than lead time to deposit. Personally I'd take OP week 14 of those assuming you can lock it off. If the choice were 12 months out for a top week at MGV compared to the listed options, those are equivalent deposits other than lead time. IMO lead time gives you additional time for usage and this would be my choice. Plus having the deposit in hand is worth something.

Most of my travel for 2025 is already mapped out and booked, except maybe something in late fall 2025. I am inclined to take the early April OP week since I am within 6 months. In the future I am more likely to grab weeks 12 months out. Since I am late anyway, it gives me a good chance to test whether it is worth waiting until 6 months to grab OP or BP peak week lock offs.

 

[Dean]

Most of my travel for 2025 is already mapped out and booked, except maybe something in late fall 2025. I am inclined to take the early April OP week since I am within 6 months. In the future I am more likely to grab weeks 12 months out. Since I am late anyway, it gives me a good chance to test whether it is worth waiting until 6 months to grab OP or BP peak week lock offs.

Agreed, it's a good chance to get some comparison data. It's often discussed here and I don't think there's a lot of hands on data for the 12 month GV vs 6 month for BPT or OP. My personal investigation comparing what I do have access to (TDI, RCI's TPUs and condo rentals) suggest that it's a wash and thus the extra time is the deciding factor. You're in a fairly unique situation where it clearly leans to using the FL club if available. Let us know what info you gather over the next couple of years.

 

[jmhpsu93]

I can't do 12 months MGV as I am Platiunum. Assuming I cannot bag a week 51 or 52, my latest MGV week is 34.

So choice is 5 months Marriott Ocean Point or 9.5 months Marriott Grande Vista.

Does the distance out matter that much? By that, should I assume early April Ocean Pointe is better than end of January?

You should be able to get one of these weeks if you book right at the 12 month mark. That way you'll get the TDI 150 MGV trade power at 12 months.

 

[Pamplemousse]

I was confused a bit by @Pamplemousse references to both 13 months out and no difference as long as you deposit to II 60 plus days out. How can they both be correct?

Am I now correct that these are references to two different things?

1. The 13 months is referencing depsoiuting to II as early as feasible so you can see and book inventory 12 to 13 months out, while it is still available. But if I deposit a solid February, 2025 trade week now, and I am looking to travel in February 2026, I am ok. I am still a solid year plus out for my targeted trades.
2. The 60 plus days is referring to my avoiding the severely diminished trade power of a late deposit, less than 60 days from the reserved week? My other units are Vistana so the 60 days tends not to be an issues as we do not deposit a specific week.

I am also gathering the relative trade powers in my initial query are so immaterial that it amounts to splitting hairs, albeit with a slight nod to the referenced beach properties in max TDI week? These may have a slight boost over MGV.

@Ski-Dad
1) Yes, The 12- 13 months I referred to was when you should place your request for where you want to exchange into. I say that because the earliest MVC owners can deposit their units. So you are there waiting as deposits are made.
In my experience requesting earlier is the way to get the best trades- more important than a few points of TDI or how far in advance of week reservation date at deposit.
2) Yes, if you deposit a week less than 60 days before its reservation date you are in flexchange which li its you to manual exchanges 60 days before travel.

I agree the resort itself is pretty much immaterial they have the same ratings.
I have been trading a gold season MVC Harbour Lake for many years and made excellent trades but getting the highest TDI week in my season (usually 130-135) and requesting early. Good luck.

What trade are you looking for? Not sure you need to go the Florida club route rather than just depositing Grande Vista.

 

[Ski-Dad]

@Ski-Dad
1) Yes, The 12- 13 months I referred to was when you should place your request for where you want to exchange into. I say that because the earliest MVC owners can deposit their units. So you are there waiting as deposits are made.
In my experience requesting earlier is the way to get the best trades- more important than a few points of TDI or how far in advance of week reservation date at deposit.
2) Yes, if you deposit a week less than 60 days before its reservation date you are in flexchange which li its you to manual exchanges 60 days before travel.

I agree the resort itself is pretty much immaterial they have the same ratings.
I have been trading a gold season MVC Harbour Lake for many years and made excellent trades but getting the highest TDI week in my season (usually 130-135) and requesting early. Good luck.

What trade are you looking for? Not sure you need to go the Florida club route rather than just depositing Grande Vista.

At the moment I am not looking for anything specific. I might go to Myrtle Beach in late April, but that is not a difficult trade, and I am flexible on my dates.

My key trades, and principal reason for owning traders, are prime ski weeks at major resorts. I do 3 or 4 weeks per year. I have been fortunate in getting what I want, but I have flexibility as to the which weeks I travel. Prime ski weeks are my main target. I generally secure these 10 to 12 months out.

I have my ski weeks booked for 2025. Anything I am depositing now is for 2026 use.

 

[dioxide45]

So the question really is;

MGV @ 12 months < MBP @ 6 months
MGV @ 12 months < MPB @ 6 months
MGV @ 12 months = MBP @ 6 months
MGV @ 12 months = MPB @ 6 months

MGV - Marriott's Grande Vista
MPB - Marriott's Ocean Pointe
MBP - Marriott's Beachplace Towers

I think it is really just splitting hairs and getting all twisted into knots over something that doesn't matter much. II indicates that depositing early is a way to maximize trade power. Does it make much of a difference? We don't know since they don't share how trade power works. For me it would be about extending the longevity of a deposit and an extra six months of being able to exchange into something. A 12 month deposit will have an additional six months of expiration. We own gold weeks at MGV. Thus I can make my first reservations in May 12 months prior. If I wait for a Florida Club MPB reservation, I would have to wait till November. Both would expire around the same time but I lose six months of potential use by taking the Florida Club and I also can't book any exchanges for at least another six months.

For the first year of ownership, it does provide a little more flexibility as you are already into the booking windows. The additional six months till expiration, three years with MGV vs two and a half years with MPB or MBP may be the only thing that matters.

In the end there is probably little to no noticeable trade power difference between a MGV @ 12 months and MPB/MBP @ 6 months.

At this point, booking week 51 or 52 at MGV may give you the best possible trade power when deposited at 12 months, but waiting to book that may be a gamble. At this point I would just take the MPB at six months, deposit it and call it a day. Any noticeable trade difference is actually likely to not be noticeable at all and not matter for 95% of all potential exchanges anyway.

 

[Hindsite]

What does everyone think trades better , same tdi, 12 months MGV or 6 month MPB?

My observation is that trading power does not vary with when you deposit and certainly not between 12 and 6 months ahead, but it can if you do a late deposit. What does reduce when you deposit later is the number of opportunities you have for a match to be made for your request, and hence II advise deposit early to get the best trading power, e.g best chance for a match to be made.
What is more important is the TP requirements of your request. If you aren't trying to punch a lot above the weight of your deposit then it really won't matter. If you are trying to push things then its difficult to consistently demonstrate how much it matters, as there are just too many variables. I focus on what I'm trying to get in exchange and then choose the most realistic deposit to get that.
When you read the various TUG threads on this subject, there are instances where a difference appears, but what is driving that difference is much more difficult to determine. I recall (hopefully correctly!) there being one thread where a member was testing 2 identical weeks and got different outcomes, and then followed up with II to eventually find that there is a manual element to the process on occasions and that is what had caused the situation.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

The advantage of using Interval International is that you could end up being upsized for a small fee (12 or 13 months out)

Using the Florida Club does not allow any upsizing (6 or 7 months out).







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[dioxide45]

Using the Florida Club does not allow any upsizing (6 or 7 months out).

But if you are just using the Florida Club to get a different week for deposit, you can still use that deposit to exchange for an upsized room.

 

[Ski-Dad]

But if you are just using the Florida Club to get a different week for deposit, you can still use that deposit to exchange for an upsized room.

Exactly. Then lock off the Ocean Pointe 2 bedroom unit and make two deposits in II. That's my plan. There is a point having Florida Club.

I bought the Grande Vista Platinum L/O as a trader. Florida club is a bonus so I get to test it's trading power. I will likely go to Ocean Pointe at some point as well. Not interested in Orlando, but their MF is ok.

 

[Ski-Dad]

Agreed, it's a good chance to get some comparison data. It's often discussed here and I don't think there's a lot of hands on data for the 12 month GV vs 6 month for BPT or OP. My personal investigation comparing what I do have access to (TDI, RCI's TPUs and condo rentals) suggest that it's a wash and thus the extra time is the deciding factor. You're in a fairly unique situation where it clearly leans to using the FL club if available. Let us know what info you gather over the next couple of years.

I need to add the MGV to my interval account this weekend. I willl affect my deposit and can offer up my 5 month Marriott Ocean Pointe 1 bedroom and studio for comparison. Not the exact 6 month you and @dioxide45 have refrenced, but close.

I need someone to compare an MGV 12 month data point (ideally platinum, but more comparios are good)

@marmite has led a great thread with Vistana trade power comparisons. I enjoy the forum creating consumer data reference points on trade power.

One of my golfing buddies, who has money, keeps telling me to focus my timeshare energy into a trading on the stock market. He claims I would be wealthy. I do ok anyway.

I am a guy who apreciates good value. I buy stuff that lasts. AND I love getting a deal on good stuff. The value trading thing is a bit of a sport for me. I get a kick out of it. Unlike the stock market, you dont need to be looking every day. (confession: I read TUG forums more than once per day)

 

[iftravel]

I need to add the MGV to my interval account this weekend. I willl affect my deposit and can offer up my 5 month Marriott Ocean Pointe 1 bedroom and studio for comparison. Not the exact 6 month you and @dioxide45 have refrenced, but close.

I need someone to compare an MGV 12 month data point (ideally platinum, but more comparios are good)

@marmite has led a great thread with Vistana trade power comparisons. I enjoy the forum creating consumer data reference points on trade power.

One of my golfing buddies, who has money, keeps telling me to focus my timeshare energy into a trading on the stock market. He claims I would be wealthy. I do ok anyway.

I am a guy who apreciates good value. I buy stuff that lasts. AND I love getting a deal on good stuff. The value trading thing is a bit of a sport for me. I get a kick out of it. Unlike the stock market, you dont need to be looking every day. (confession: I read TUG forums more than once per day)

Your friend is right. You've already acquired all the skills required for the success in stock trading from TS trading, which include
1) be patient and plan ahead
2) compare and find relative value
3) predict the long term trend
4) keep improving your portfolio
5) enjoy it and know it's only a game for a small percentage of people (most would lose)