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I have a Q for the maskperts (mask experts -- see what I did there? :D ).

The state of IL is requiring masks for all students at all grade levels this fall in school (presuming school opens).

They are NOT allowing face shields.

Why would that be? I read in the WSJ that face shields do a good job of protection.



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Communists in the education system.
 

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That would be true only when someone is not already wearing eyeglasses, in that it might prevent a direct splatter.
But please realize that actually a face shield only protects from those direct frontal splatters, and even then, some droplets get past it.
So most expert opinions conclude that there's no "true" and effective eye coverage if there's an aerosol

I’ve been searching for comfortable goggles which could be worn when entering closed spaces (such as commercial buildings, forced to use elevators, etc). Would you agree that goggles would be a better solution? This is in addition to face mask and face shield. I see all three as desired, and we haven’t yet considered the earlier possibility of infection via ears.


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I’ve been searching for comfortable goggles which could be worn when entering closed spaces (such as commercial buildings, forced to use elevators, etc). Would you agree that goggles would be a better solution? This is in addition to face mask and face shield. I see all three as desired, and we haven’t yet considered the earlier possibility of infection via ears.
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Ken, are you trolling?
I honestly don't think goggles are warranted unless there's an undue threat like a nursing home or meat factory, HaHa,
both of which have ordinarily high incidences of Covid19 positivity.

For everyday safety precautions a good mask is sufficient. For visiting a bar, goggles are recommended, unless you get thrown out first.

I've HEARD that ears are not a viable route for infection.
"Ears, on the other hand, are not believed to be a route of COVID-19 infection, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
 

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Ken, are you trolling?

No.

I honestly don't think goggles are warranted unless there's an undue threat like a nursing home or meat factory, HaHa,
both of which have ordinarily high incidences of Covid19 positivity.

I haven't seen much on this issue since this event:

For everyday safety precautions a good mask is sufficient. For visiting a bar, goggles are recommended, unless you get thrown out first.

I've HEARD that ears are not a viable route for infection.
"Ears, on the other hand, are not believed to be a route of COVID-19 infection, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

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Qatar Airways now requires passengers to wear a face shield in addition to a mask.

 

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There is one problem with face shields, they are very hard to find. We waited three (3) months to receive just two (2) using Amazon Prime. Our local medical supply and hardware stores do not have them or the N95 Masks.
 

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There is one problem with face shields, they are very hard to find. We waited three (3) months to receive just two (2) using Amazon Prime. Our local medical supply and hardware stores do not have them or the N95 Masks.

There are now dozens of vendors selling face shields online.


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Yes, you are correct with a one to two weeks back ordered for face shields.
 

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I used both (shield & mask) when going to a medical appointment (I don't go into grocery stores or shopping) & I wear glasses. My face shield (I ordered 6 last week for $30 and they came with Prime in 2 or 3 days) made in USA; It's Very clear to see through and is flush (with a foam band) resting on my forehead; very comfortable. It's 9" long & 12" around....so pretty good, clear coverage (not particularly well made....don't expect it to last forever, a couple of staples and stretchy band....hopefully it will get me through; I have 6 and I only plan to use them for specific activities. I also don't think they will remain clear & might be easily scratched (so I am not sure they would be good for children) I am storing mine in the plastic bags they came in. For me it will provide one more simple level of protection when visiting the Dr or in a crowded place I'm unable to avoid. A reasonable investment for an extra level (I do not plan to use the face shield instead of the mask...always in addition to).
 
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@ Bunk.“ Second, if you are wearing a shield and not a mask and you cough, sneeze or talk, how much is the risk that those droplets will spread out of the side of the shield. With a mask, isn't it more likely that the droplets will be confined?“

That is not what I understand.
A proper shield goes all the way around your face, almost to your ears, so droplets do not spread out the side of the shield.
The problem with some face masks that people wear is they are not tight enough, do not go around your face and gape,
so would let droplets out the side.

Not true.
A face shield has open space even if it goes "around your face", because there is no closed SEAL against the face.
That's why the CDC and every other "scientific" authority makes such a big deal over the seal of masks which is critical.
The seal therefore must also apply to the face shield to do what you said, ie, disallow droplets to spread.
The CDC and even OSHA both have extensive protocols for testing one's mask to assure it's being applied and worn properly.
A face shield requires no video explanation because by definition it does not, and is incapable of, creating a true seal.
A "proper" face shield therefore only provides a modicum of protection, and so it remains an "imperfect" shield.
Valuable of course, but not impervious.
For many instances then, a face shield could be a nice adjunct to a mask, but never a substitute.

The thing is the open space, even if less by virtue of extending farther around, because it is still what allows aerosol droplets
to either enter or go out,
depending on whether you're causing a spread or accepting one.
So, bottom line, going farther around your face is better than not, but the true vulnerability has not been diminished much,
given that the ubiquitous aerosol droplets travel freely in and around the face.

And your other statement (re masks) is in fact true, and actually speaks to the problem with your first statement (seal or no seal being the key).



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While I don't know why your school system isn't allowing them, I do have an opinion of them after being at a office where all the workers were wearing them. First off, I did think they they didn't provide as much help because they are open all around the sides and bottom. Vapor will easily travel out whenever the wearer is talking, coughing, sneezing, etc. Also, the people wearing them were often lifting them up for a breath of fresh air, even while they were talking. From my observation, it looked as though the purpose was to keep the state happy and not to provide any type of protection. Being that it is bent plastic, I'm sure that it creates a warped visual field. Some people probably adjust to that okay, but I have a long history of vertigo and migraine auras and that could be very difficult for me.

I ordered one from Amazon last night to try it out and see what it's like to wear one. Maybe my opinion will change at that time but from what I saw yesterday, I think it's more show than actual help.
 

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I do not think the face shield is to replace the Mask but in addition to the Mask. The Face Shield is protect you from spray/ droplets.
 
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