Elara Vegas 4 bedroom

[z28plus]

Does anyone know where all the 4 bed units are located within the building? What floors etc? I have tried a few searches but can’t find a real answer.

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[alwysonvac]

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[Sandy VDH]

I put that really detailed posting of Elara the @alwysonvac referenced. It is really detailed. There are basically only 2 unit per Floor. It is possible to book the 2 BR corner anchor as that is a separate room category, thus making the 4 BR unavailable, even though the additional rooms you are connected too (Studio and Jr 1 BR) are still out in inventory.

Not sure you will have any questions after you review it, but start there.

 

[z28plus]

Thanks so much. I have one I am looking at buying and it’s lists it as a 4 bed grand! I didn’t see it on that list in your post. Did I miss it?


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[Sandy VDH]

Thanks so much. I have one I am looking at buying and it’s lists it as a 4 bed grand! I didn’t see it on that list in your post. Did I miss it?


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That is not a title that HGVC uses. Are you sure you are purchasing an HGVC at NOT an Westgate unit. They are in the same building but the Westgates can not be turned into HGVC inventory.

The other reason could be that people do know know what they have. Grand is what all the other 2 BRs are called. Just the 4 BRs in HGVC are not considered a Grand, they are considered a Corner.

 

[z28plus]

Yes. I have seen the estoppel. It lists as LV tower 52 planet Hollywood 4 bed grand float 7 nights.


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[dayooper]

Yes. I have seen the estoppel. It lists as LV tower 52 planet Hollywood 4 bed grand float 7 nights.


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I think that could be a Westgate deed. The HGVC deeds will say Elara (like this one). It has the yearly allotted points on the bottom right above the signatures. A Westgate deed will say Planet Hollywood (like this one) and the yearly allotted points will say 90. Otherwise, the estoppels look alike. Please be careful and know what you are buying.

The big issue with a Westgate deed is that it’s an orphan. You can’t trade it in HGVC nor Westgate. You can only trade in II (maybe RCI, I can’t remember) and pay the fees that go with that. Then there’s the fact that it’s a Westgate (Wastegate) deed. As far as resale goes, they restrict more than just about anybody else. Even on the week you own, they will restrict the usage. It will be very difficult to get rid of if you have to.

 

[Sandy VDH]

Sounds like a Westgate. I would avoid that like the plague.

 

[z28plus]

Good to know. Is there someone I can call to confirm? I can post the estoppel if needed.


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[z28plus]

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[Sandy VDH]

I assume it is a Westgate week, as it is calling it Planet Hollywood, and there is NO assignment given to club points at all. The earlier example provided by @dayooper for an Elara week that is in HGVC actually using the resort name Elara NOT Planet Hollywood.

 

[z28plus]

Good to know. I will Try to make Some calls tomorrow. I will search who to contact.


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[T-Dot-Traveller]

Good to know. Is there someone I can call to confirm? I can post the estoppel if needed.
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I think that could be a Westgate deed. The HGVC deeds will say Elara (like this one). It has the yearly allotted points on the bottom right above the signatures. A Westgate deed will say Planet Hollywood (like this one) and the yearly allotted points will say 90. Otherwise, the estoppels look alike. Please be careful and know what you are buying.

The big issue with a Westgate deed is that it’s an orphan. You can’t trade it in HGVC nor Westgate. You can only trade in II (maybe RCI, I can’t remember) and pay the fees that go with that. Then there’s the fact that it’s a Westgate (Wastegate) deed. As far as resale goes, they restrict more than just about anybody else. Even on the week you own, they will restrict the usage. It will be very difficult to get rid of if you have to.

There are some posts by TUG members who own Planet Hollywood (Westgate sold) deeds that report no problem in usage. Booking your stay is done through HGVC
because Westgate is not the property manager and no longer has any ownership of the building.

[There is one TUG report / thread that says HGVC was no longer going to allowing rental use of 20+ Planet Hollywood deeds the OP had acquired and used for rental purposes.]

This is a relatively rare 4 bedroom deed., and if the cost is low ; and usage plan is to personally stay at the Elara location - it may be worth exploring further.

 

[z28plus]

So this can be purchased and used at the elara? I am confused with this whole thing lol. I know the westgate used to be the LV Hilton. So the westgate has 4 bed units? I didn’t even know that. Even though it’s a four bedroom I don’t personally want to use some thing that far off the strip. The whole point of being at the elara is because it’s more luxury and is right on the strip. I have seen what those look like inside. They are amazing.


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[Sandy VDH]

So this can be purchased and used at the elara? I am confused with this whole thing lol. I know the westgate used to be the LV Hilton. So the westgate has 4 bed units? I didn’t even know that. Even though it’s a four bedroom I don’t personally want to use some thing that far off the strip. The whole point of being at the elara is because it’s more luxury and is right on the strip. I have seen what those look like inside. They are amazing.

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Westgate used to own the building that is now Elara it was called Planet Hollywood at that time. HGVC purchased it (don't recall if Westgate were in bankruptcy or if it was going to get foreclosed on). So the confusion most people have is that while the building is now owned and managed by HGVC, there are some units that are still owned by people who have Westgate contracted units at Planet Hollywood. HGVC manages those Westgate units that are in the Elara building. But there must be some stipulation that those units can NOT be converted from Westgate to HGVC in the takeover agreement.

Those units are NOT at LV Hilton location, that is the new building Westgate bought after restructuring and losing the Elara building, so there are still sort of orphan Westgate units that are in Elara building. You just can't get them to be flipped into Elara HGVC units, you have restricted usage as a Westgate unit ONLY. I do not know what all those restrictions are, but you are NOT buying an HGVC unit.

So I agree I have stayed in one of those 4 BR and they are amazing, but if you are purchasing to be able to participate in the HGVC system you will NOT BE PERMITTED to do so with that purchase. If you only plan on using it with the conditions that are on that Westgate unit, (which I admitted I do not know in full details) then it might be a good option. But to me it is a restricted unit, at a not so popular TS operator. The unit might be difficult to offload if you would need to be rid of it. I know I personally would not want to get involved in Westgate.

 

[z28plus]

Westgate used to own the building that is now Elara it was called Planet Hollywood at that time. HGVC purchased it (don't recall if Westgate were in bankruptcy or if it was going to get foreclosed on). So the confusion most people have is that while the building is now owned and managed by HGVC, there are some units that are still owned by people who have Westgate contracted units at Planet Hollywood. HGVC manages those Westgate units that are in the Elara building. But there must be some stipulation that those units can NOT be converted from Westgate to HGVC in the takeover agreement.

Those units are NOT at LV Hilton location, that is the new building Westgate bought after restructuring qne losing the Elara building, so there are still sort of orphan Westgate units that are in Elara building. You just can't get them to be flipped into Elara HGVC units, you have restricted usage as a Westgate unit ONLY. I do not know what all those restrictions are, but you are NOT buying an HGVC unit.

So I agree I have stayed in one of those 4 BR and they are amazing, but if you are purchasing to be able to participate in the HGVC system you will NOT BE PERMITTED to do so with that purchase. If you only plan on using it with the conditions that are on that Westgate unit, (which I admitted I do not know in full details) then it might be a good option. But to me it is a restricted unit, at a not so popular TS operator. The unit might be difficult to offload if you would need to be rid of it. I know I personally would not want to get involved in Westgate.

Great info. I get it now. I would use it only at elara. So I am not concerned about the HGVC points etc. I just want to Confirm which group of rooms it would be? I would use it with a group of friends EOY. Or rent it. I just want to know exactly what I’m buying. And how far out I can book dates etc.


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[Sandy VDH]

Great info. I get it now. I would use it only at elara. So I am not concerned about the HGVC points etc. I just want to Confirm which group of rooms it would be? I would use it with a group of friends EOY. Or rent it. I just want to know exactly what I’m buying. And how far out I can book dates etc.


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That is what I do not know as those answers pertain to Westgate which has different rules, and it does seem that HGVC was restricting someone who owned 20 weeks from renting, as @T-Dot-Traveller mentioned. I would start by searching Westgate Planet Hollywood. These are rules that HGVC folks will not know.

I know that in general there are 2 of the units per floor, one at either end of the building. What I do not know if does HGVC keep those rooms separate in terms of reservations or inventory, or does HGVC treat them all the same. I do know at one point there were separate and the room decor was different, but now after renovating all the rooms I do not know if they are just intermingled or is specific units are allocated to Westgate.

HGVC has plus units that are higher floors, my guess might be that Westgate units do not end up getting assigned to a plus unit, but I am just guessing.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

Westgate used to own the building that is now Elara it was called Planet Hollywood at that time. HGVC purchased it (don't recall if Westgate were in bankruptcy or if it was going to get foreclosed on). So the confusion most people have is that while the building is now owned and managed by HGVC, there are some units that are still owned by people who have Westgate contracted units at Planet Hollywood. HGVC manages those Westgate units that are in the Elara building. ....

So I agree I have stayed in one of those 4 BR and they are amazing, but if you are purchasing to be able to participate in the HGVC system you will NOT BE PERMITTED to do so with that purchase. If you only plan on using it with the conditions that are on that Westgate unit, (which I admitted I do not know in full details) then it might be a good option. But to me it is a restricted unit, at a not so popular TS operator. The unit might be difficult to offload if you would need to be rid of it. ........

Hi @z28plus
what @Sandy VDH said above and @dayooper has said, fits the background information available on the deed you are considering buying resale.

I would explain the story this way - you are buying a house in a subdivision where the original builder ran into financial problems and sold the the rest of the lots to a new builder.
The new builder built a pool and recreation center for use by only those residents who bought from them. Your house does not have those benefits.( ie HGVC points)

The timeshare twist is that I believe the Westgate deeds were sold as float weeks / float units., It sounds as if HGVC as building manager has renovated the property.
This is a good thing for an owner of an orphan Planet Hollywood deed.

It also sounds like HGVC as the property manager and reservation portal manager is restricting rentals.

I don't believe these orphan deeds have any usage connection to Westgate beyond the fact that they were originally sold by that developer.

 

[josegm888]

I assume it is a Westgate week, as it is calling it Planet Hollywood, and there is NO assignment given to club points at all. The earlier example provided by @dayooper for an Elara week that is in HGVC actually using the resort name Elara NOT Planet Hollywood.

That’s a westgate deed.


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[alwysonvac]

Here’s the link to the Reservation process for Westgate Elara owners effective November 1, 2021

https://d1m2ucn09z2f8d.cloudfront.net/static/documents/a3c7a499-8ca4-4c74-bdf3-4bc1cc7bab00/Westgate-Reservation-Procedures_Packet-to-Owners_Final_Revised-for-HOA-Portal.pdf

 

[z28plus]

Here’s the link to the Reservation process for Westgate Elara owners effective November 1, 2021

https://d1m2ucn09z2f8d.cloudfront.net/static/documents/a3c7a499-8ca4-4c74-bdf3-4bc1cc7bab00/Westgate-Reservation-Procedures_Packet-to-Owners_Final_Revised-for-HOA-Portal.pdf

Thanks is for this. I did find this on an internet search a bit ago. I will call the number listed and see what they say.


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[dayooper]

@z28plus I stayed in an Elara 3 bedroom this past summer. 3 bedroom is a corner 2 bedroom with a studio or 1 bedroom Grand lockoff. The 4 bedroom would be both rooms added. We had the studio version. We love that room! We asked for strip side (xx34 with the xx being the floor number). Great views and if you get high enough, you can get the rooster tail! We own at The Boulevard and The Flamingo and would stay at Elara every time we can.

With that being said, I would research this purchase before I went ahead with it. With what's on the estopple, I can tell this is a Westgate deed. I would find out about the reservation window. Is it the same as HGVC? Can you make your reservations at 12 months like any other home week reservation? These fill up fast. My guess is you wouldn't be able to get the plus version (floors 50 and up (there are no floors in the 40's). What types of reservations would you want? Would view matter? How hard is this deed to get rid of? Life happens and you may have to divest yourself of the deed. Does this week rent easily? Like any timeshare purchase, you need to be very cautious and intentional. With this being a Westgate deed, you need to be even more so.

 

[Sandy VDH]

@z28plus I stayed in an Elara 3 bedroom this past summer. 3 bedroom is a corner 2 bedroom with a studio or 1 bedroom Grand lockoff.

No, it is actually either a Studio or a 1 BR JR Suite, NOT the Grand version, that is larger.

 

[BK2019]

@Sandy VDH do you know if all the the 1BD and 1BP at the Elara have a separate soaking tub? I've seen a Jr. suite on YouTube with a soaking tub, but wasn't sure if it's limited to certain Jr. suite room codes.

 

[alwysonvac]

Thanks is for this. I did find this on an internet search a bit ago. I will call the number listed and see what they say.

You’re welcome. I found the link to the document on this hoa webpage.
https://club.hiltongrandvacations.com/en/resort/nevada/elara-a-hilton-grand-vacations-club/hoa

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